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Thu May 9, 2013, 07:36 PM

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Medical researchers? Environmental researchers? People who make the world a better place? No....



from Deadspin http://deadspin.com/infographic-is-your-states-highest-paid-employee-a-co-489635228?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=afternoon

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Reply Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. (Original post)
DonRedwood May 2013 OP
babylonsister May 2013 #1
DonRedwood May 2013 #4
bl968 May 2013 #64
Art_from_Ark May 2013 #2
ProfessorGAC May 2013 #9
Bluenorthwest May 2013 #10
GoCubsGo May 2013 #58
Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #50
MADem May 2013 #51
cui bono May 2013 #63
Blanks May 2013 #74
DonRedwood May 2013 #87
Blanks May 2013 #93
MADem May 2013 #76
lastlib May 2013 #85
MADem May 2013 #101
LanternWaste May 2013 #59
RC May 2013 #66
Doctor_J May 2013 #80
Marrah_G May 2013 #3
arely staircase May 2013 #5
DonRedwood May 2013 #8
krispos42 May 2013 #6
lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #7
Bluenorthwest May 2013 #11
ErikJ May 2013 #14
Honeycombe8 May 2013 #12
Brickbat May 2013 #21
ArtiChoke May 2013 #38
Jennicut May 2013 #110
LanternWaste May 2013 #60
Travis_0004 May 2013 #103
Honeycombe8 May 2013 #111
Travis_0004 May 2013 #112
DFW May 2013 #13
Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #15
DonRedwood May 2013 #28
Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #44
pam4water May 2013 #89
tomtharp May 2013 #83
Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #84
Liberal_Dog May 2013 #16
BadgerKid May 2013 #17
Gidney N Cloyd May 2013 #18
L0oniX May 2013 #19
DonRedwood May 2013 #32
CRK7376 May 2013 #39
snooper2 May 2013 #43
LanternWaste May 2013 #61
L0oniX May 2013 #69
cali May 2013 #71
L0oniX May 2013 #72
Travis_0004 May 2013 #104
L0oniX May 2013 #113
radicalliberal May 2013 #82
Occulus May 2013 #88
radicalliberal May 2013 #94
NYC_SKP May 2013 #96
radicalliberal May 2013 #107
progressoid May 2013 #20
Iris May 2013 #22
upi402 May 2013 #23
malthaussen May 2013 #24
madrchsod May 2013 #25
DonRedwood May 2013 #27
question everything May 2013 #26
CRK7376 May 2013 #40
WCGreen May 2013 #79
tridim May 2013 #29
DonRedwood May 2013 #30
tridim May 2013 #31
Historic NY May 2013 #97
Turborama May 2013 #33
bobclark86 May 2013 #34
CRK7376 May 2013 #41
kimmylavin May 2013 #48
Liberal1975 May 2013 #35
ccjlld May 2013 #42
Purplehazed May 2013 #49
ccjlld May 2013 #54
hack89 May 2013 #36
Blue_Tires May 2013 #46
liberal N proud May 2013 #37
avebury May 2013 #45
GoCubsGo May 2013 #55
valerief May 2013 #47
RoccoR5955 May 2013 #52
MADem May 2013 #53
Robb May 2013 #56
ZombieHorde May 2013 #57
Bucky May 2013 #62
librechik May 2013 #65
RC May 2013 #68
Zoeisright May 2013 #67
Rex May 2013 #70
Travis_0004 May 2013 #105
DonB May 2013 #109
Rex May 2013 #116
Martak Sarno May 2013 #73
Tom Ripley May 2013 #114
Myrina May 2013 #75
mucifer May 2013 #77
WCGreen May 2013 #78
Inkfreak May 2013 #81
smirkymonkey May 2013 #86
pam4water May 2013 #90
Jasana May 2013 #91
JackN415 May 2013 #92
FailureToCommunicate May 2013 #95
Hotler May 2013 #98
Travis_0004 May 2013 #106
radicalliberal May 2013 #108
jakefrep May 2013 #99
Tom Ripley May 2013 #115
Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #100
davidpdx May 2013 #102

Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 07:42 PM

1. That is really sad. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #1)

Thu May 9, 2013, 07:44 PM

4. I want a new law....

no public employee can make no more than five times the lowest paid public employee.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #4)

Fri May 10, 2013, 02:16 PM

64. We need that for corps too

We need the same restrictions on publicly traded corporations as well.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 07:42 PM

2. Interesting that the governor is not the highest-paid public employee

in *any* state

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #2)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:09 PM

9. Obama Runs A Business a Million Times More Important Than Disney. . .

. . .and look what he gets paid by comparison. It ain't right, but it is a fact.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #9)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:27 PM

10. Except for the part where the United States of America is not a business, but a nation

 

and a people.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #10)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:52 PM

58. Thank you!

It drives me nuts to read that bullshit right-wing crap, especially here. The purpose of a business is to produce a profit. Such is not the case for a country.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #9)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:02 PM

50. Bush was paid too much. Anyway, ex-prez makes mega bucks in speeches, board directorships, etc.

Prez gets to bank a higher proportion of salary. No mortgage, no car loan, no gas bill, free eats.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #9)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:13 PM

51. Presidents--good ones and lousy ones--get it on the back end.

Dumbya makes fifteen million a year or more just giving twenty minute "heh heh heh how you doin'" speeches. Fool me once, won't git fooled agin! The autobiography is usually HUGE money. The post-presidential business opportunities can be astounding if a person is in the mood to get richer.

I think the relatively modest salary in comparison to their CEO peers is to establish a "top end" range for SES employees. Those guys can make big money after they leave civil service, too, but no one wants their autobiography and they aren't quite as 'in demand' when it comes to speechifying...!

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Response to MADem (Reply #51)

Fri May 10, 2013, 02:15 PM

63. Well yes, but Bush can teach them

how to put food on their family and how to not get fooled again.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #63)

Fri May 10, 2013, 03:44 PM

74. ... and paint. As long as the painting doesn't have to be good. eom

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Response to Blanks (Reply #74)

Fri May 10, 2013, 06:39 PM

87. His talent and his IQ seem to both be at about the same level....

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #87)

Fri May 10, 2013, 07:16 PM

93. Yes he has the worlds first negative IQ. eom

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Response to cui bono (Reply #63)

Fri May 10, 2013, 04:12 PM

76. Is our children learning? He doesn't care! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #51)

Fri May 10, 2013, 06:30 PM

85. I wonder what Jimmy Carter's net worth is..........

...and what is his annual income compared to W's.......

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Response to lastlib (Reply #85)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:43 PM

101. Carter has made a fortune, but I'll wager he hasn't made it for himself.

He's raised a bundle for Habitat, though. He's written several best-selling books as well.

Interesting article on Presidential net worth: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/21/the-net-worth-of-the-amer_n_825939.html

Kennedy and Johnson certainly weren't pikers; here's the net worth of Carter on forward:

James Earl Carter, (1977-1981), $7 Million, Carter was the son of a prominent Georgia businessman. He was a peanut farmer for almost two decades. Carter left office deeply in debt, but made substantial sums from writing 14 books. Part of a family partnership that owns 2,500 acres in Georgia.

Ronald Wilson Reagan, (1981-1989), $13 Million, Reagan had no inheritance, but his first wife, an actress, had her own money. He was a movie and television actor for over two decades. "The Gipper" owned several pieces of real estate over his lifetime, including 688-acre property near Santa Barbara, California. Reagan was highly paid for his autobiography and as a GE spokesman.

George Herbert Walker Bush (1989-1993), $23 Million, Bush was the son of Prescott Bush, a Connecticut Senator and successful businessman. Aided by his friends in the financial community, he made a number of successful investments. One of his major assets is his home and 100+ acre estate in Kennebunkport, Maine.

William Jefferson Clinton (1993- 2001), $38 Million, Clinton was born with no inheritance, and he made little significant money during 20 plus years of public service. After his time in White House, however, he made a substantial income as an author and public speaker. Clinton received large advance from autobiography. His wife, the secretary of state, has also made money as author.

George W. Bush (2001-2008), $20 Million, Bush was born into a wealthy family. Over ten years, he made substantial sums of money in the oil business. The largest contribution to his net worth was the profitable sale of the Texas Rangers.

Barack Hussein Obama (2008-present), $5 Million, Obama is the grandson of a goat herder. He is a former constitutional law professor and civil rights attorney. Book royalties constitute most of Obama's net worth.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #9)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:59 PM

59. A business exists solely to make money. A government exists to govern a populace.

A business exists solely to make money. A government exists to govern a populace. Two wholly separate concepts.

"It ain't right, but it is a fact..."
It's neither right not a fact, it's merely an opinion that sticks only because the adhesive on bumper-stickers are so effective.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #59)

Fri May 10, 2013, 02:30 PM

66. Now a days, business exist to make money and government exists to make sure they do.

 

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #9)

Fri May 10, 2013, 05:01 PM

80. The government is not a business

 

Business es are supposed to make money. The government is supposed to promote the general welfare and so on. Your post title sounds like something from freeperville.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 07:43 PM

3. Crazy

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 07:48 PM

5. I have always thought our Texan obsession with High School football out of proportion and still do

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however, Perry and the Tea baggers cuts to public education have met resistance from HS football lovers. So, thin silver lining I suppose.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #5)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:07 PM

8. Well, it is not just texas from the looks of it!

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 07:49 PM

6. *groan*

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:06 PM

7. +1000 n/t

 

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:30 PM

11. Oregon pays the university football coach more than anyone when there is not even

 

one job for a professional football player in the State of Oregon. Training them for an out of State industry.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #11)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:59 PM

14. It's Nike owner Phil Knight's play thing.

 

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:31 PM

12. One thing left off the map: It's coaches for MALE teams. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Thu May 9, 2013, 10:55 PM

21. Except for Connecticut.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #21)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:18 AM

38. But he's also a man -n/t

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Response to ArtiChoke (Reply #38)

Sat May 11, 2013, 07:18 AM

110. It's Geno Auriemma?

Just figured that out. I am from CT. Love the Lady Huskies but this is ridiculous.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Fri May 10, 2013, 02:01 PM

60. A rather relevant omission...

A rather relevant omission...

Thanks for pointing that out!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Sat May 11, 2013, 02:45 AM

103. So?

 

Male sports happen to be more popular, so the people who coach male sports make more money.

Also, many of these sports programs are popular, and turn a profit. Where I live, a football coach is the highest paid employee, and that football program makes a few million profit a year, which is used to fund other sports. I have no problem with this.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #103)

Sat May 11, 2013, 09:34 AM

111. Of course you have no problem with it, TRAVIS. You LIKE the patriarchal society.

It benefits you. You "have no problem with this."

Reason people go to more male sports is because we live in a patriarchal society, so everything male is glorified. It's considered better. It was only a couple of decades ago that female sports were funded in schools. Why? Because people like yourself would say, "But people like male sports better, so I have no problem with this."

It's one thing to be privileged. It's another not to see over the fence and recognize when you've been manipulated by the society that raised you. Just like the muslim fathers who kill their daughters for working at Burger King...they have been manipulated by an uber machismo society. So they "have no problem with this." After all, muslim people prefer males working at Burger King.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #111)

Sat May 11, 2013, 10:43 AM

112. Whats your solution?

 

First off, I'll admit male sports are much more popular, but what is the solution?

If we didn't fund football, then without the profits, we would have to take funding away from every other sport.
Are you saying we should just defend everything in the name of fairness?

Also, I'll admit the sports I watch are Formula 1, baseball, and football, all male sports. Its just my personal preference, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I think its safe to say we will see a woman formula one driver eventually, and I hope she is successful, we might even see a woman play professional football soon enough, and if she is the best person for the job, then I would want my favorite team to sign her.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:44 PM

13. The trouble is

In much of America, the public DOES think that it is the football coaches who make the world a better place.

And you wonder why we come across as such boors in so much of the rest of the world. Back home in Dallas, at a company I know, the head of the accounting department is from continental Europe and her number two is from Central America. At least they learned to add and subtract where they grew up, and they write better English than many of the Texans who work under them.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 08:59 PM

15. Sad that a basketball coach makes more than a NASA scientist.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #15)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:36 AM

28. we should be paying the people who make a better mankind more than a person

who teaches how to throw a ball.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #28)

Fri May 10, 2013, 12:18 PM

44. Priorities of the elite,....use The Games to keep the people distracted....

 

They've been doing it for a long time.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #44)

Fri May 10, 2013, 06:51 PM

89. +1

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #15)

Fri May 10, 2013, 05:49 PM

83. which state runs NASA?

 

I think NASA is a federal program, not state, nevertheless I bet some coaches do make more than some NASA people.

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Response to tomtharp (Reply #83)

Fri May 10, 2013, 05:59 PM

84. One would think Florida would be producing some real rocket scientists.

 

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 09:04 PM

16. I Love Sports

But our priorities are way out of balance.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 09:09 PM

17. Certainly that characterizes the "circenses" part

of our country's cultural menu.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 09:16 PM

18. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 09:23 PM

19. Football = legal battery. Training our future wife beaters.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #19)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:45 AM

32. That's...well... not the most logical of arguments.

My dad played football... he never beat anyone.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #19)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:40 AM

39. I don't like your generalizaton.

I played high school football and college and military rugby for years and have never once hit a woman. But it is very frustrating to see such high salaries paid to coaches when teachers and club sponsors get little to no stipend in our high schools. I know, I taught high school for 13 years and coached Cross Country and Track and Field and my coaching supplement was horrible. Football, Basketball and Baseball coaches and assistance coaches got more than I did coaching my athletes....

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #19)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:54 AM

43. What does it train women to do?

 



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Response to L0oniX (Reply #19)

Fri May 10, 2013, 02:04 PM

61. About as valid as and truthful as "marching bands-- training kids how to be single for the rest of t

About as valid as and truthful as "marching bands-- training kids how to be single for the rest of their lives"

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, and both as idiotic as the other. However, I do realize the contempt that may grow over time if one is always picked last for kickball...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #61)

Fri May 10, 2013, 03:01 PM

69. I'm sure OJ would agree with you. n/t

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #69)

Fri May 10, 2013, 03:06 PM

71. Wow. you come up with one ex-football player who was also an ex-actor

 

pathetic and just plain old vanilla dumb.

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Response to cali (Reply #71)

Fri May 10, 2013, 03:09 PM

72. Yea ...I tend to piss off assholes.

 

Pushing or shoving or holding on to someone is battery ...legal or not!

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #72)

Sat May 11, 2013, 02:53 AM

104. No its not

 

Its a sport, and its part of the rules.

I played football, and one game, where I was defensive line, I was facing a woman who was on the offensive line.

Are you going to claim that I hate women because I knocked her on the ground a few times?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #104)

Sat May 11, 2013, 02:07 PM

113. Pathetic attempt to reframe.

 

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #61)

Fri May 10, 2013, 05:38 PM

82. Somehow I doubt you have much insight as to the problems young nonathletic boys face . . .

. . . in a society whose popular culture is saturated with sports.


With all due respect, the following book might shed some light.



Most people don't seem to care.

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Response to radicalliberal (Reply #82)

Fri May 10, 2013, 06:45 PM

88. I really wish that had been around when I was in high school.

I had to prove my worth as a musician the hard way, and I did.

Then my parents found out I was gay and systematically dismantled it all.

I didn't eventually 'win'. The music stopped. I just didn't have any fight left in me.

Yes, it fucking hurts. Still, after all these years.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #88)

Fri May 10, 2013, 07:37 PM

94. I've got tears in my eyes as I write this.



I am very sorry this happened to you. Your parents were absolutely wrong! No child deserves to be treated that way! I once had a gay friend (a casualty of the AIDS epidemic) who was one of the kindest and most principled persons I've ever known.

I hate what some parents do to their children! I'm a father. Both of my children are better human beings than I was at their ages. I'm honored to be their father.

I feel like a jerk saying this because words are so cheap. I wish I knew of a support group you could join. I deeply wish you could get some peace. I wish I could reach across the miles that separate us and take that hurt away.

If I were speaking to you face to face, I would give you a big hug.

I think you will find a sympathetic audience here.

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Response to radicalliberal (Reply #82)

Fri May 10, 2013, 08:54 PM

96. I was one of those kids.

 

As early as fifth and sixth grade, when we moved into town from out of the country and suddenly there were a lot of students and teachers instead of just two teachers and eight grades in one school.

And jocks are, as part of the "sportiness", mean about everything.

Didn't stand a chance, fatherless and rural and totally outnumbered.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #96)

Sat May 11, 2013, 03:32 AM

107. Needless to say, so was I.

It's especially hard when the kid receives no meaningful support at home.

Nonathletic boys were forced to take mandatory P.E., which was exclusively centered around sports -- a class that benefited only the athletic kids. Exercise programs were not provided for the nonathletes, who really were the nonpersons in the world of school sports. Their physical fitness needs were considered to be unimportant.

My school district was an affluent one. In fact, it is in the Congressional district that decades ago was once represented by Bush The First; in other words, George Herbert Walker Bush, the wonderful guy who appointed that prince of a character Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court, who is about to participate in the emasculation of the Voting Rights Act.

Anyway, back to the school district: Principals and coaches allowed individual football players to bully other students. Two friends of mine played football at one of the other schools in the district. One of them (who still is a big football fan to the point of being obnoxious about it) recently told me that most of his teammates looked down on all the nonathletic guys at their school as supposedly being inferior. The other one, who played on the same team, also recently told me that he never met a group of guys who were more insecure about their masculinity. He said that some of his teammates were constantly trying to "prove" their masculinity over and over again, usually at the expense of nonathletic guys who had no interest in the sport.

I recently learned about a particularly disturbing incident of bullying at one of the other high schools in the district from two other friends of mine. A former junior high classmate -- someone, incidentally, whom I had admired -- had made the football team at his high school and became arrogant. He ended up tormenting a mentally retarded classmate, which has got to be the most despicable kind of bullying I've ever heard of. He was merely suspended from school for a few days, which must have been like a vacation to him. This is what has really burned me: Despite his despicable misconduct, he still was as popular as ever! If he had been a nonathlete, he would have been subjected to scorn, and rightly so. But since he was a football player, the rules did not apply to him.

Long before I graduated from high school, I had already seen that if a nice kid made the football team, he was placed on a pedestal. If a conceited bully made the football team, he also was placed on a pedestal. Both guys were treated the same. That's sick!

I know there are decent guys in school sports, but they need to speak out against this stuff.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Thu May 9, 2013, 10:36 PM

20. USA USA USA

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 12:42 AM

22. Rick Perry likes!

Yeah, baby! Too many professors "writing books." He would think this infographic is the ideal for higher ed:

http://www.npr.org/2013/05/09/182474603/perrys-vision-for-university-of-texas-criticized

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:25 AM

23. I get foamed up about this regularly

3 cheers!

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 09:56 AM

24. That's beautiful.

I love factoids like that which show our country's priorities so well.

-- Mal

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:23 AM

25. 78,000 plus benefits for a football coach in a small town near where i live

he has a couple of classes to make it legit and the rest of day it`s football.

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #25)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:33 AM

27. Wow... I wonder what a regular teacher makes there

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:31 AM

26. Add to this taxpayers money that goes to stadiums

that continue to drain public funds and lack of tax money to support orchestras and theaters.

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Response to question everything (Reply #26)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:42 AM

40. We are Marching band parents

and my favorite tshirt to wear on Friday nights is the one that say's "What game, I'm here for the Marching Band!"....

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Response to question everything (Reply #26)

Fri May 10, 2013, 04:54 PM

79. Those are professional teams.

The college stadiums are paid through the college.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:38 AM

29. I don't believe CA and NY.

Actors and TBTF bankers make much more money than coaches.

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Response to tridim (Reply #29)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:41 AM

30. PUBLIC empolyees.

Not private jobs like actors or bankers. This is just between the local governments, schools, cities, etc.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #30)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:43 AM

31. Got it. nt

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Response to tridim (Reply #29)

Fri May 10, 2013, 09:46 PM

97. Wow and its not even cops or fireman. Thats huge...here in NY.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:47 AM

33. Panem et Circenses!


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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:03 AM

34. The athletic directors at several of my area high schools...

make more than the superintendent or any other staff member.

But we showed them getting that regional football championship! Who cares if three kids are retarded now an no one has ever gone pro, it's still GREAT training for real life! It's impossible to calculate a meaningful probability of pro musician (not garage band, but symphonies) to pro athletes in my crappy, rural area, as the latter is zero and the other is a real number.

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #34)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:48 AM

41. Our eldest son

just finished his 1st year of Grad school in Music Performance (Trombone) and his whole goal in life is to land a symphony/orchestra job upon graduation next year. He was not an athlete, but loved Marching Band, jazz band etc...We live in rural NC and our neighbors don't understand his love of classical music or waht he's going to do with it, where he wants to work...They think he's crazy practicing his horn down in the barn serenading the cows and horses in our neighbors pastures.....

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Response to CRK7376 (Reply #41)

Fri May 10, 2013, 12:48 PM

48. I love that image...

The image of your son playing trombone for the cows and horses - reminds me a bit of Charlotte's Web.
Good luck to him!

My husband and I just bought our tickets for the Hollywood Bowl's summer programs, featuring the LA Phil - amazing way to spend summer nights.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:13 AM

35. I have to say

I'm in the minority but so actually don't have much a problem with coaches salaries. College Basketball and Football are huge industries that generate billions of dollars annually so if you look at it that way it is actually not that bad of an investment. I do agree that it is messed up that the capitalist system skews priorities but you get paid based on the revenue your profession generates (unless you are a CEO, of course)
What really pisses me off is that despite all the money these public institutions make from their sports programs (and what amounts to free labor) tuition and other costs continue to sky rocket for the average student. If they reinvested the money so that more kids could afford to be educated then it would even be a good thing. But of course this is America, I think we all know were the money goes or better said were it doesn't go, to us.

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Response to Liberal1975 (Reply #35)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:50 AM

42. My Understanding is

that a lot of these colleges athletic departments are entirely self funded. So the odds are, even though the coach is technically a "public employee", tax dollars do not pay their salary. If your school has a successful football or basketball program, it probably funds all of the other sports at the college. Donations usually help pay for facilities, but I don't know what percentage of tax dollars supplement those costs.

I work at a State University where the football coach is probably the one on the chart. I'm not saying that it's right, but that's pretty much the way it is and it won't change. But I know that when our team was ranked very high several years ago, the applications for admission went through the roof and the business owners in this town love football weekends. It brings a huge amount of money into town.

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Response to ccjlld (Reply #42)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:01 PM

49. An article in USA today,2 days ago

Pointed out that out of 228 NCAA athletic depts, only 7 take no money from the school. All the others are subsidized to some extent. So even though these programs bring business to the local communities, it is, to some extent, funded by our younger generation's student loans.

I can't post the link to the article from my phone but it is Googlable. I'm curious to know if any of the billions that college sports generates funds any academics.

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Response to Purplehazed (Reply #49)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:15 PM

54. Thanks!

Found it. That was eye opening! My school is not one of the one who don't take any subsidy, but they are below 5%.

Here's the link

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2013/05/07/ncaa-finances-subsidies/2142443/

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:15 AM

36. Shows an egregious bias against hockey.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #36)

Fri May 10, 2013, 12:31 PM

46. at least it is represented...

no baseball at all, and that is supposed to be OUR thing...

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:15 AM

37. I knew I should have paid more attention in PE

Could have been a coach!

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 12:27 PM

45. Living in Oklahoma I am not surprised in the least. nt

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Response to avebury (Reply #45)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:24 PM

55. Ditto.

I am not at all surprised that the football coaches of USC and Clemson get the highest salaries in my craphole state. Ditto for the head coach over at UGA, where I went to grad school. Meanwhile, I recently interviewed for a state job that paid a whopping $32K, and required a college degree and all sorts of skills and experience. Again, not surprising, given the warped priorities are here.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 12:35 PM

47. But sports institutionalize "otherness" and without "otherness" indoctrination, rich ppl can't

convince non-rich ppl to (1) die in their wars and (2) not demand a share in the wealth.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:13 PM

52. Time to outlaw football.

 

It's a violent sport that leads to many injuries and now there's an issue with concussions and head injuries, even though many wear the best helmets.

Then it would be nice seeing those damn football coaches on the unemployment line!

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:14 PM

53. I almost didn't open this thread. I'm glad I did, in a train-wreckish kind of way... nt

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:31 PM

56. Awesome line in there:

"You may have heard that the highest-paid employee in each state is usually the football coach at the largest state school. This is actually a gross mischaracterization: Sometimes it is the basketball coach."

...I need that smiley where you're laughing and crying at the same time.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 01:48 PM

57. My state is college president.

I have no problems with that.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 02:07 PM

62. As a Texan, I'm outraged... about the hockey thing

I keed, I keed!

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 02:26 PM

65. when you have an anti-female jock society where men call the shots and intellect isn't valued

what else could happen?

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Response to librechik (Reply #65)

Fri May 10, 2013, 02:51 PM

68. +10

 

Education needs to be valued over the Roman Circuses called school sports.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 02:51 PM

67. OH, that is just disgusting.

No wonder this country is in such trouble. Sports are glorified beyond the point of reason.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 03:02 PM

70. YEP.

 

FUCKING SICK. No wonder our country is rotting from the inside. And they want to cut Liberal Arts so that they can fund MORE FUCKBALL!

A sad and pathetic commentary on American society.

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Response to Rex (Reply #70)

Sat May 11, 2013, 03:00 AM

105. You do realize college sports are usually profitable, right?

 

In 2011-2012, university of texas made 78 million in profit off their football team. That money went into other college programs.

Yes, coaches may make as much as 5 million a year, but is that really a problem? The highest paid coach was Alabama's Nick Saben, at just under 5 million. His program made 45 million in profit. Lets say they cut his pay to 1 million, and he leaves for a better paying job. With a less knowledgeable coach, they will not be as good of a team. Maybe their profit will drop to 35 million.

Now you have 10 million dollars less to fund other activities. How does that solve anything? Would you rather have them increase their tuition, just so a coach is not the highest paid employee?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #105)

Sat May 11, 2013, 07:12 AM

109. PROFITABLE?

 

As was cotton farming in the south before the Civil War or making blouses in Pakistan is today.

It's truly amazing how much "PROFIT" magically appears when the labor costs of the "PRODUCERS" can be driven down close to zero. If you couple that with all the externalities of these enterprises that are passed off to the general public, and the subsidies they receive from the local, state, and federal government, then these programs make sound bidness sense, if you're a fucking "VULTURE CAPITALIST".

It always amazes me the way uninformed people, to be nice, or deceitful people with personal agendas, to be more accurate, conflate bidness, home finances, social institutions, and government funding when "PROFIT" only applies to one of them and being part of the "GENERAL WELFARE" applies to the other three.

PRODUCERS = WORKERS

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Response to DonB (Reply #109)

Sat May 11, 2013, 05:36 PM

116. It is a sad commentary about our education system.

 

Yeah the old canard about PROFIT, funny how that is more important than EDUCATION. To some, it is all about money and has nothing to do with the job of teaching students.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 03:20 PM

73. Slight of Hand?

Nice slight of hand by the author here. Pull the curtain back.

Maybe he should consider doing an expose on the public funds given to CEOs, Bankers and other Wall Streeters.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't WE, the public, fork over a hell of a lot more public tax-payer cash to these guys than making some big deal about coaches?

At least the coaches are providing a respite from the bull that's being heaped on us by the public money given to the Banksters to continue to screw us...that is, unless you prefer what the Banks and Wall Street do to you over watching sports.

Hey author, it's time to look at what's really channeling "our money" away from our pockets. Pick on those who are really taking the public's cash. Of course, nobody wants to read about how a CEO gets 30 million a year, most of which comes from bailouts, so hacks write distracting stories to piss off people who have conveniently forgot the screwing they take at the hands and other parts of these vermine.

Enjoy sports, unless you want to start a cheerleading squad for Goldman Sucks.

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Response to Martak Sarno (Reply #73)

Sat May 11, 2013, 02:13 PM

114. You say "respite", I say "distraction"

 

let's call the whole thing off

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 03:49 PM

75. Only ONE hockey coach? The shame!!!

UNH probably. And didn't even make the Frozen Four this year!!! Hmmmpf.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 04:32 PM

77. Wonderful Bullwinkle episode about this back in the 1960s

When Bullwinkle went to Watsamatta U. and played football. The science department couldn't afford test tubes and they were building a beautiful football stadium.



Not much change in our culture.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 04:51 PM

78. The football and basketball programs bring in millions of dollars of income from

Television, radio, endorsements, ticket sales, concessions, memorabilia, naming rights and all sorts of other stuff.

Just so you know.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 05:23 PM

81. Hockey coach?! Dammit Canada! Lookitwhatyadid! n/t

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 06:34 PM

86. Our priorities are so out of whack.

At least 3 of the 4 states I have lived in have had Med school or College Presidents as the highest paid (New York, NY; Boston, MA; Burlington, VT). The only exception was California. (San Francisco). What a joke.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 06:51 PM

90. So lays out our sad priorities. n/t

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 07:05 PM

91. I'll probably get flamed but...

I just have to say I hate football. I really hate it with a passion and I simply don't understand why so many people are into it. Another popular thread here is about that Tebow guy. Who cares? Tebow, Kardashians, it's all the same useless crap.

And the fact that football coaches are the most highly paid public employees is obscene. (Ditto for all the other sports.) Sports doesn't change the world. Science does. Teachers do. Those people are important.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 07:07 PM

92. I don't see anything wrong with this though (I'm not a sport fan). The free market ...

 

system sets it up this way for a reason. They have to compete for great coaches who can bring victories, which make people feel good... It has value.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 08:03 PM

95. Massachusetts is 'blue' again!

(Just reaching for some good news)

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 09:48 PM

98. I have no hope. I see no future. n/t

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Response to Hotler (Reply #98)

Sat May 11, 2013, 03:02 AM

106. You realize these sports are profitable, right?

 

In 2011-2012, university of texas made 78 million in profit off their football team. That money went into other college programs.

Yes, coaches may make as much as 5 million a year, but is that really a problem? The highest paid coach was Alabama's Nick Saben, at just under 5 million. His program made 45 million in profit. Lets say they cut his pay to 1 million, and he leaves for a better paying job. With a less knowledgeable coach, they will not be as good of a team. Maybe their profit will drop to 35 million.

Now you have 10 million dollars less to fund other activities. How does that solve anything? Would you rather have them increase their tuition, just so a coach is not the highest paid employee?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #106)

Sat May 11, 2013, 05:03 AM

108. Those pesky rape victims keep getting in the way of the program!

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Cover-ups are the best policy, I always say.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:04 PM

99. The coaches are overpaid and the players are underpaid.

This graphic is one of the rare bits of interesting or useful information produced by Deadspin.

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Response to jakefrep (Reply #99)

Sat May 11, 2013, 02:15 PM

115. +1000

 

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:47 PM

100. it might just come down to the notion that winning Football or Basketball teams are thought to bring

in large amounts of money for their respective schools. Thus paying top dollar for a top coach is simply seen as an investment the same way struggling hospitals will pay top dollar for a financial wizard who can put their institutions place in the black.

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Response to DonRedwood (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 01:10 AM

102. In Oregon I'm sure the big college coaches are paid well

Especially given there are only two.

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