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H2O Man

(73,995 posts)
Sat May 4, 2013, 08:08 PM May 2013

Four Dead in Ohio

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.
-- Neil Young

I will always remember this day.

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Four Dead in Ohio (Original Post) H2O Man May 2013 OP
Ohio - CSNY cantbeserious May 2013 #1
Found this on Facebook. I had never seen it before: Hissyspit May 2013 #39
The Day The Music Died In America cantbeserious May 2013 #40
... CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #2
12:24 pm UncleYoder May 2013 #3
GMTA. truebluegreen May 2013 #10
Kent State destroyed all my naive assumptions about America the free malaise May 2013 #4
+ struggle4progress May 2013 #21
It drew the line in the sand for the corpo-fascists...... lastlib May 2013 #28
Excellent point malaise May 2013 #34
K&R. pacalo May 2013 #5
Some people, even today, have not learned the lesson RobertEarl May 2013 #6
K&R CrazyOrangeCat May 2013 #7
I Remeber! COORACPRO May 2013 #8
Never forgive. Never forget. truebluegreen May 2013 #9
For You... KoKo May 2013 #11
Damn I love their harmony. zeemike May 2013 #13
Hell, that choked me up. I had not seen that before, but it is one of the finest live ... 11 Bravo May 2013 #36
It was one of the defining moments in my history too zeemike May 2013 #12
At that time...I was very much living with the Subway Walls...and yeah.... KoKo May 2013 #15
....like it was yesterday. spanone May 2013 #14
that day was really hard to process.... madrchsod May 2013 #16
I don't think that many of us who lived through that time...would have KoKo May 2013 #17
Terrible memory, shocking! mountain grammy May 2013 #18
Get shot in Vietnam or get shot protesting the war LeftInTX May 2013 #19
Always... ReRe May 2013 #20
k&r thanks for posting. rhett o rick May 2013 #22
This day still makes me sad CanonRay May 2013 #23
Never Forget greatlaurel May 2013 #24
I'll never forget it madokie May 2013 #25
More than four, some students were wounded. raccoon May 2013 #29
Me too. Newest Reality May 2013 #26
Ohio National Guard opened fire without warning and aimed to kill. Octafish May 2013 #27
And there were no consequences for the Ohio National Guard. nt raccoon May 2013 #30
Octafish, thank you for the link to Neil Young News. You reminded me saidsimplesimon May 2013 #31
I too ... with great sorrow bread_and_roses May 2013 #32
Always remember suffragette May 2013 #33
Thank you Pat! Cooley Hurd May 2013 #35
Thank you! H2O Man May 2013 #37
I always play Ohio! SCVDem May 2013 #38

malaise

(270,677 posts)
4. Kent State destroyed all my naive assumptions about America the free
Sat May 4, 2013, 08:13 PM
May 2013

I had three siblings in US colleges and I was scared for all of them.

lastlib

(23,618 posts)
28. It drew the line in the sand for the corpo-fascists......
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:51 AM
May 2013

they made their message clear: cross that line and interfere with their profits at your peril.

It was The Day America Died.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. Some people, even today, have not learned the lesson
Sat May 4, 2013, 08:21 PM
May 2013

The lesson being that some people in government will do whatever they can to fuck with you.

Why some still laugh at the idea of government, and corporations, fucking with people, I don't have a clue. To me they appear deluded.

CrazyOrangeCat

(6,112 posts)
7. K&R
Sat May 4, 2013, 08:36 PM
May 2013

It's been a long time coming
Going to be a long gone
And it appears to be a long
Appears to be a long
Appears to be a long time
Before the dawn -D. Crosby

I remember seeing the Life magazine.
12 years old.

"Speak out against the madness."

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. For You...
Sat May 4, 2013, 09:18 PM
May 2013


Simon & Garfunkel - The Sound of Silence

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11 Bravo

(23,942 posts)
36. Hell, that choked me up. I had not seen that before, but it is one of the finest live ...
Sun May 5, 2013, 03:26 PM
May 2013

performances I've ever seen!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
12. It was one of the defining moments in my history too
Sat May 4, 2013, 09:33 PM
May 2013

When I lost my illusions about this country being all about freedom and such...
And just as today there were those who made excuses for it and tried to blame the protesters for it...nothing has changed, except now they are dressed like ninjas and carrying assault rifles...and will fire many more bullets.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
15. At that time...I was very much living with the Subway Walls...and yeah....
Sat May 4, 2013, 09:51 PM
May 2013

I understand exactly what you say..after all these years...the words ring true.

yes...

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
16. that day was really hard to process....
Sat May 4, 2013, 10:10 PM
May 2013

what the fuck ...they murdered 4 students?

a war our generation is still paying for.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. I don't think that many of us who lived through that time...would have
Sat May 4, 2013, 10:17 PM
May 2013

EVER imagined what is going on with "Our Wars" today.

I think we thought Vietnam when we pulled out under terrible circumstances would live FOREVER IN INFAMY.

But...that was not to be.

mountain grammy

(26,782 posts)
18. Terrible memory, shocking!
Sat May 4, 2013, 10:44 PM
May 2013

I remember leaving work, picking up my 2 year old son, holding him tight and wondering what kind of world did I bring him into.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
24. Never Forget
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:15 AM
May 2013

I play that song for my kids, so they know what happened. Let us never forget the Orangeburg massacre in 1968 and the Jackson State killings on May 15, 1970, either.

James Rhodes, the completely corrupt Ohio governor, was in cahoots with Nixon to shut down the student protests. The murders of the Kent State Four and the Jackson State Two were crimes against humanity. There should have been a war crimes trial, but it was all whitewashed away. Many of the students murdered or shot at Kent State were just going to class. Talk about terrorism.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
25. I'll never forget it
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:30 AM
May 2013

I was in Vietnam, been there since june of '69. finally left in october of '70. I did then and do still until today believe the protesters here in our cities were who stopped this senseless killing of both our fellow brothers and sisters as well as the innocent Vietnamese people who were only fighting to save their own land from invaders and occupiers. Us.
I still carry the burden of my 15 months in country on my shoulders and will the rest of my life. War is not for children.
I could imagine what the national guardsmen who did this must feel today. After all they could have shot into the ground or above the kids heads but we know at least four of them didn't do either.
Peace

raccoon

(31,177 posts)
29. More than four, some students were wounded.
Sun May 5, 2013, 12:45 PM
May 2013

I was a college student when the Kent State murders happened. I'll never forget it.


Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
26. Me too.
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:41 AM
May 2013

It was revealing to many and tragic in more ways than one for most of us.

Goes right up there with the Democratic Convention in '68 hosted by the Daley Regime where around 10,000 protesters were met with over 23,000 police and National Guardsmen. A bloody day that also peeled the thin mask of civilization off the grimacing skull of unchecked power.

Four dead in Ohio. Pause to reflect.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. Ohio National Guard opened fire without warning and aimed to kill.
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:44 AM
May 2013
?396

More Kent State, Ohio Massacre Coverup Evidence Surfaces

EXCERPT...

To understand the events of May 4, 1970 at Kent State and the four dead in Ohio, is to understand much of what has happened in our history before, during and after.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
31. Octafish, thank you for the link to Neil Young News. You reminded me
Sun May 5, 2013, 12:53 PM
May 2013

of a 1968 "Punk Rock" song by Arthur Brown, "Fire". I don't know the songwriter. The lyrics reminded me of hellfire missiles, and napalm used in Cambodia and Viet Nam.

The photos of the bombing in Syria reminded me of this. I will never forget Kent State, nor more recent events that defy any illusion that anything has changed.

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Arthur Brown 1968 “Fire”


I am the god of hell fire and I bring you:

Fire
I'll take you to burn.
Fire
I'll take you to learn.
I'll see you burn!
You fought hard and you saved and learned

but all of it's going to burn.
And your mind
Your tiny mind
You know you've really been so blind.
Now's your time burn your mind.
You're falling far too far behind.
Oh no
Oh no
Oh no
You gonna burn!

Fire
To destroy all you've done.
Fire
To end all you've become.
I'll feel your burn!

You've been living like a little girl
In the middle of your little world.
And your mind
Your tiny mind
You know you've really been so blind.
Now's your time burn your mind
You're falling far too far behind.

Fire
I'll take you to burn.
Fire
I'll take you to learn.
You gonna burn, burn, burn
Fire
I'll take you to burn

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
32. I too ... with great sorrow
Sun May 5, 2013, 01:33 PM
May 2013

I remember the shock, the horror, the disbelief while knowing it was so ...

... and I still wonder what happened to us, my generation, that we lost all the knowledge so hard gained, and retreated into the status quo, and helped create the monstrous system we have now?

H2O Man

(73,995 posts)
37. Thank you!
Sun May 5, 2013, 04:04 PM
May 2013

I like the thread, too. It's representative of why I continue to participate on this forum. I appreciate everyone's contributions.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
38. I always play Ohio!
Sun May 5, 2013, 04:17 PM
May 2013

Then I explain it to anyone not familiar with the song or context.

This is the NRA, in their mind.

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