The Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Admiration Society

[dkf]

She is a 20-year-old student at Holmes Community College in Mississippi, uncertain at the moment of whether she’ll stick with her current career track. But Emily Jolly is fairly certain of this: Dzhokhar “Jahar” Tsarnaev is no terrorist.


Jolly is among a growing legion of people who have examined enough of the mountain of “evidence” now available since last week’s bombings in Boston to be convinced the 19-year-old is innocent. Which is why, she says, she has taken to Twitter in recent days hoping to make the hashtag #freejahar a trending one, and of drumming up enough support for the hospitalized suspect to get him a “badass lawyer.”

Tsarnaev wasn’t even charged with a crime until Monday, and the government’s evidence has only begun to dribble out. But Jolly and thousands of other, mostly young people have already made up their minds, albeit with a wide array of conclusions. It was a setup. A false flag. Dzhokhar’s brother maybe did it, but not Dzhokhar. That Saudi guy was the ringleader. On and on and on.

Much of the support for Tsarnaev comes from another 20-year-old from Chelsea, Massachusetts, named Troy Crossley, who claims he is a friend of the suspect and who has been posting hundreds of tweets, links to pictures and hashtags, from #troycrossleytruth to #fuckthegovernment, over the past several days. Crossley didn’t respond to several attempts by The Daily Beast on Monday to talk with him, but one of his followers did: Jolly. And she explained at length in an interview conducted via Google Chat why she thinks the government is lying.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/22/the-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-admiration-society.html

[anneboleyn]

1. oh jebus nt.

[liberalmuse]

2. The Beliebers have a new hero.

Tweens, huh.

[Quantess]

3. He's cute.

That's why.

[randome]

8. Probably not so much with holes in his neck and mouth and hands, though.

[jessie04]

9. Girls dig scars.

n-t

[randome]

10. I don't know how to process that except...LOL!

[anneboleyn]

37. or when he's planting a bomb next to you...

[malaise]

11. Not only is he cute

He doesn't have that mass killer 'drugged out' look. If he's guilty that makes him twice as dangerous

[Quantess]

46. He looks like a nice boy

and he has big brown doe eyes, and wavy outgrown hair.

Of course he's guilty. But he's adorable.

[flamingdem]

47. He's cute and his older brother is hot, like it or not

people forgive many things for big doe eyes and soft leather pants!

[Honeycombe8]

58. I thought so, too, until I saw this pic:

?w=300

[flamingdem]

75. wow he looks much better

in the one where he's on the cell phone wearing the leather pants

[JI7]

74. the older brother was a butterface

[flamingdem]

78. wait wait did you see this photo, the camera lens can make anyone look extra schnozed

[JI7]

80. yeah, posed and uses the glasses to cover up much of his face , and he looks like a douche

everything about him screams douche to me.

but if it was only that.

[flamingdem]

83. The leather pants are as out of style

as is a backwards baseball cap.

[Honeycombe8]

55. Why, I can see that he wouldn't even hurt a fly.

[anneboleyn]

36. Weird phenomenon. Ted Bundy was "cute" and girls flocked to his courtroom appearances

Whatever that weird phenomenon is of young women being attracted to homicidal types certainly eludes me...of course I am not that young anymore but still. Some woman actually married Richard Ramirez. wtf.

[Zorra]

56. Beat me to it. That's exactly why. nt

[KittyWampus]

59. you think the guy who started it thinks he's cute?

[JI7]

85. maybe, it might be the same guy who wanted TJ Lane free

[WorseBeforeBetter]

61. Yup. If he didn't look like this...

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1322162.1366407047!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/twitter20n-5-web.jpg

...things would be *vastly* different.

What a world.

[DonViejo]

4. In Mississippi? Ms Jolly is in for a world of hassle from other Southerners, I think. nt

[zappaman]

5. This is why I support the death penalty if he is convicted.

The thought of this turd having admirers, meeting them, and possibly marrying one and even having kids, sickens me.

[pinto]

14. Understand the sentiment to a point. Yet many murderers have fans for some convoluted reason.

Go figure.

Or advocates whose opinions are based on legal issues.

That said, I oppose the death penalty unconditionally. I support as fair a trial as possible, adequate representation and a jury verdict.

[cali]

25. that's a crudly reason to support it.

If he's convicted and sentenced to life, he'll be sent off to Florence SuperMax. No marrying, no conjugal visits and no kids

[morningfog]

96. That's why? That's bizarre.

[jessie04]

6. Some girl will marry him in prison.

And have his baby.
And need government assistance to raise the baby since the baby has no available father.


THAT should really test my liberal beliefs.

[flamingdem]

18. I hope he doesn't get the opportunity to stoke a following

from a prison cell. yeech

[cali]

34. That's fucking ridiculous. If sentenced to life he'll be sent to a Supermax prison

almost certainly Florence. No way can an inmate there even smuggle out sperm let alone have conjugal visits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Supermax

[jessie04]

40. I was trying to be funny.

Sorry.

[chelsea0011]

7. Annnnd, away weeee go! It's only the beginning. Social media is conspiracy pig pen.

[pinto]

12. They can tweet to their hearts' content. He'll be tried in a civil court, with a lawyer, rules of

evidence in play and a seated jury. And a public record of it all.

[randome]

17. Unless he pleads guilty to avoid the death penalty.

Although I'm not sure that even that would spare him.

[pinto]

30. Yeah, that may be the scenario. I've heard legal talking heads say it is best option.

For his legal defense, given the apparent range of incriminating info / data.

[JI7]

13. fucking idiots

[JI7]

15. Dershowitz said something about him having an "angelic" face

and how it could help him. especially since the brother is dead so they can do the whole defense of being taken advantage of without being challenged .

[flamingdem]

16. yep, hot terrorists in fast cars who need to be "rescued" emotionally

what's not to like?

[LeftInTX]

22. haaa haaa!!!!!!!!!!

[anneboleyn]

62. yeehaw! and who plant bombs next to little kids! (sarcasm)

[flamingdem]

66. that's what makes 'em..

edgy?

[Enrique]

19. everybody knows he did it

these people should get on board.

[longship]

20. The cockroaches crawl out of the walls.

The conspiracy nuts like Alan Jones, and, of course, the apologist conspiracy nuts.

Oh dear! Maybe the Internet isn't such a great thing. I am not a Luddite, but we clearly have a lot of work to do to fight this kind of shit. We can use the Intertubes, too. Maybe we should keep at it.

[trackfan]

21. Rose and Valerie, screaming from the gallery say he must go free.

The judge does not agree and he tells them so-o-o-o

[Art_from_Ark]

53. But as those words are leaving his lips, a noise comes from behind

Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon his head...

Ouch.

[LeftInTX]

23. I can just imagine jury selection

Young impressionable women for the defense, stricken by the prosecution.

Nancy Grace will have fun with this.

[jessie04]

24. I think some serious CONJUGAL visits are in his future.

Being a terrorist can be a real sexual upgrade.

(Just adding a drop of levity,sorry)

[El Fuego]

26. The same idiot teenage girls who fuck up American Idol! It's Sanjaya all over again!

There's no text message voting for the cute boy this time, kids. And you can tweet your way onto an FBI watch list!

[sabrina 1]

76. Why should THEY be on an FBI list? All they are doing is reacting emotionally to something they

cannot yet comprehend. What a dangerous thought that is. Fear really does test our commitment to the principles we are always claiming we are 'fighting for' but as soon as people get emotional, we see how frail our democracy really is.

His BROTHER should have been on the FBI list. Maybe none of this would have happened if they FBI's 'lists' had actual dangerous people on them instead of peaceful protesters and emotional young people.

Why would you even suggest that btw? What have they done wrong? I remember when the 'left' which appears to have disappeared completely over the past few years, were outraged at the very thought of Bush's 'enemy list'.

This country scares me. It would not take much to scare people into giving up all of our rights. One more terror attack and it appears a whole lot of people are ready to cower under their beds, turn in young girls reacting to a horribly tragic event, and hand over all of our rights.

They think he is innocent. When the system of justice works, hopefully, the way it was designed to work and they see actual evidence of the horror he was responsible for, it is more than likely they will move on with their lives.

[FrodosPet]

90. Just like us!

I wonder if anyone on DU believes the NSA does not watch this board, and pretty much all of our IP traffic (just like they do with the Freepers and the InfoWarriors)?

[Fumesucker]

91. If you're an adult who cares about American Idol you don't have much room to talk about kids

[Union Scribe]

94. "It's Sanjaya all over again!"

Best thing I've read all week here.

[alcibiades_mystery]

27. Ermagerd

[Douglas Carpenter]

28. if I could believe Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was innocent I would be his most passionate defender

For as long as I can remember I have found a need to argue the unpopular cause that I knew beyond a reasonable doubt and for a moral certainty was the truth and was right.

But so far I have found no reason to believe Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is innocent. I do find the case mind boggling. But that happens sometimes with brutal crimes. Someone who everyone who knew them thought they were a really nice person goes out and does something really evil. There are lots and lots of criminal cases like that - although they are the relatively rare exception rather than the rule.

But if someone can present any evidence that that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is innocent I would certainly welcome hearing it. But so far everything I have heard along those lines sounds like far-fetched conspiracy theory.

[jessie04]

31. His mother says he's innocent....

and that the FBI framed him.

I ask you...Would a mother lie?

[Douglas Carpenter]

33. in my little town in PA - a young man sitting in a bar and in front of several eye witnesses

took out a loaded handgun and put it to the head of his mother-in-law and pulled the trigger - thus killing her instantly.
That young man's mother continued to the end of her life arguing that her son was innocent. I guess mother love like doggie love can be almost unconditional.

[randome]

35. Wow.

[patricia92243]

48. Did she say why the FBI would want to frame him?

[KittyWampus]

60. the parents are "truthers" who believe Islamic terrorism= Muslims getting framed.

[markpkessinger]

93. To try to save her son?

You betcha!

[reformist2]

29. Reality is stranger than fiction, because people are weirder than even writers can imagine.

[latebloomer]

32. There is something very appealing about his face.

We want to love him, save him, in my case mother him.

We think he was a good kid under the spell of his much older brother. And he feels tremendous guilt so he winds up killing his brother and then trying to kill himself.

[City Lights]

38. Uh boy.

Bonkers.

[Nine]

39. Wouldn't it be prudent to at least wait and see what the suspect says?

I mean, jeez, let him declare his innocence himself before you do it for him. He could have already confessed to everything for all they know.

[hfojvt]

43. Do you really believe

that the gubmit wouldn't fake his confession, just like they faked the landing on the moon, Obama's birth certificate, Elvis' death, and pictures of the supposedly "round" earth?

Get a clue man.

Do some reading of the hundreds of pages of evidence that bloggers have uncovered and are trying to bring to you're delusional ostrich-like life.

The truth is out there, man.

[Nine]

95. :-D (nt)

[MikeW]

41. a lot of young people today

Have ZERO critical thinking skills.

Bunch of dumbasses

[hfojvt]

45. by which you must mean

Agent Mike

the thousands of people who uncritically swallow the lies that the gubmit feeds them.

well to quote Captain Kirk "double dumbass on you"

and also "nano, nano"

Makes me wonder if his friend Sculy is gonna find a way to cash in from all this.

[antigone382]

51. A lot of people of all ages have zero critical thinking skills.

A few women flocked to Ted Bundy's trial. A lot of men love Sarah Palin. It ain't new and it ain't age specific.

I'm a young person and I think he's guilty. I also think he may well have been easily led given general accounts of his story and personality, and the uncomfortable reality that our brains don't gain fully adult reasoning ability until the age of 25. It's possible his story could have been a lot different. But that's admitted speculation on my part and it doesn't amount to much now. I feel more sorry for the 8-year-old that understood about peace and humanity than I do for this kid.

[smirkymonkey]

52. Exactly. What a bunch of dumbass teenagers!

God, I weep for the future!

[steve2470]

42. Hybristophilia (discovered this by accident)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

Hybristophilia "is a paraphilia of the predatory type in which sexual arousal, facilitation, and attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed an outrage, or crime, such as rape, murder, or armed robbery." The term is derived from the Greek word ὑ??ί???? hubrizein, meaning "to commit an outrage against someone" (ultimately dereived from ὕ???? hubris "hubris&quot , and philo, meaning "having a strong affinity/preference for".[1]

In popular culture, this phenomenon is also known as "Bonnie and Clyde Syndrome".

Many high-profile criminals, particularly those who have committed atrocious crimes, receive "fan mail" in prison which is sometimes amorous or sexual, presumably as a result of this phenomenon. In some cases, admirers of these criminals have gone on to marry the object of their affections in prison.

Hybristophilia is accepted as potentially lethal, among other such paraphilias including, but not being limited to asphyxiophilia, autassassinophilia, biastophilia and chremastistophilia[2]

[frogmarch]

57. So, there's a name for it.

I didn't know.

Thanks for the link.

Now I'm going to look up some of those other terms: asphyxiophilia, autassassinophilia.....

[anneboleyn]

68. Wow. Helps explain the love for Richard Ramirez, Manson, et al. Even Scott Peterson

has received marriage proposals.

[frogmarch]

81. It sure seems to.

I wonder if some of those who proclaim the innocence of scumbags like the ones you named are just using it as a front to hide the fact that they're turned on by the horrible crimes the scumbags committed.

[Tx4obama]

44. Additional article/link below

#FreeJahar Campaign Shows Social Media Support for Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

Not everyone believes Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a terrorist.

Despite seemingly overwhelming evidence pointing toward his involvement in the Boston Marathon attack a week ago, there is a group of people who know Tsarnaev who are remaining loyal to the 19-year-old. The Internet has expanded that group into those who don't Tsarnaev but are nonetheless supportive, whether sympathetic or inspired by other messages.

-snip-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-kanalley/free-jahar-social-media-dzhokhar-tsarnaev_b_3134712.html

[geek tragedy]

49. Sick. nt

[Matariki]

50. Innocent by way of reasonable good looks

[Beacool]

54. It doesn't surprise me.

How many serial killers on death row had "girlfriend" pen pals? There are some women that for whatever reason fall in love with murderers. Personally, I think that they are sick themselves and need psychological treatment.

[KittyWampus]

63. Well, many on this thread ignore that this was started by a GUY WHO KNEW HIM & the group was people

who knew him. Some of it probably denial.

Although of course the "he's cute, that's why" angle comes into play.

#1. it's true and #2. cynicism plays well on DU.

As far as I'm concerned> anyone who ends up spending life in prison should have a shot at redemption. Finding something to do with the next 50 years of their life to give back to society somehow.

It's disturbing that many liberals will say they don't support the death penalty in one breath and then say let them rot in prison the next.

My wish is the kid's coach would get a chance to talk to him and possibly pull out the normal, empathetic young man that was once in there out again. The kid who could feel remorse for what he's done.

[anneboleyn]

67. Emily Jolly does not know him. She is one of his most ardent "fans" at this point

per the article.

[KittyWampus]

70. Did she start the group?

[anneboleyn]

71. I think it is a bunch of tweets at this point, and then the guy who claims to know him

[BootinUp]

64. To Emily: Get a life for chrisakes! nt

[tralala]

65. he does kind of look like Bob Dylan

[flamingdem]

69. who knows maybe he'll create the breakthrough where cultural values shift and

jihad is seen as viable? I mean we have all these weapons and large bullet magazines, why not use 'em?

The virgins thing? How DO we really know if it's true or not?

[Fawke Em]

72. I should say "fuck you all," but I won't.

He looks exactly like my son. Even my son knows this. My baby daughter asked why "brudder" was on TV and she hadn't seen that picture before.

Jahar is CUTE. I know he's CUTE because my son is CUTE.

I'm biased.

I'm also having a really hard time dealing with someone who has similar ties to my family who looks like my son who is involved in terrorism. My SON even asked me if I was being racist. That about killed me.

Please... this is no fun for any of us.

[dkf]

73. Why does he think you are being racist?

I hope it isn't because you are upset at the idiot kid who murdered and hurt people.

[Fawke Em]

79. Because I said "don't bomb people, don't hurt people."

He took it the wrong way.

We were talking about how "normal" this kid was. We were reading his Twitter feed and there was some rape culture shit going on that MY SON pointed out, but there was a bunch of Fresh Prince and Unknown Facts crap that my son is into, so I just said, "I have to say this: don't bomb people," and he said, "Are you being racist," and I said, "How could I be? I married your father and loved him. I love you," and then he said, "It was his brother," and I said, with my daughter standing there, that, "I don't care if someone is white, black, yellow, red, green, purple or pink..." interrupted by my daughter, 5, who said, "there are no purple or pink people!", and I said, "Listen,"
and continued, "don't be influenced by idiots."

He knows who the idiots are.

[JI7]

82. you think most terrorists are reading the quran all day living a "pure" life ?

no, most of them are failures in life who want to take it out on others. and they will use religion as a cover.

many of the 9/11 guys drank alcohol and spend time at strip clubs. that guy killed by a drone in yemen paid women to have sex with him.

[Fawke Em]

89. So you think all Muslims are terrorists?

I don't pretend to know what Muslims believe, but I bet I have a better idea than you do, since I was married to a Muslim.

[Fawke Em]

86. Crap... I should explain something here.

My son is half Arabic - Palestinian.

He's always been taught this, but I divorced his father when he was a baby because his father cheated on me. I filed for a fault divorce, won and then... got nothing (I mean, I got the house and kid, but no spousal support. I'm actually NOT complaining - I just starved for years). As a result of divorce, his father is not a citizen, but has remarried and live in North Carolina, yet, Tennessee has "no money" to go after him, despite the fact that he owes me $20,000 in child support.

That is beside the point. Having these jokers be "Muslim" is hard on us, even though my son is agnostic, by choice. His last name is Arabic. I live in Tennessee, but we're lucky that he goes to school with a lot of Mexicans, Indians, Russians and other "non-American-named" people.

And, my husband, now, speaks Russian. He was helping us read some of the social media ( which, btw, was NOTHING).

[dkf]

87. It's a bummer that he took it that way.

If ever he thinks back to that conversation as a parent he will realize what you said was what every parent should explicitly tell their kids just to make sure they get it.

[JI7]

77. how old is your son ?

[Fawke Em]

88. 14

[Common Sense Party]

84. Can someone enlighten me--where does the term "false flag" come from?

I've heard that a few times today, but I'm not sure of the origin.

[Recursion]

92. Naval warfare

Fighting under a flag other than your own.

Sailing under a false flag was legal under the laws and customs of the sea, but you had to run up your own flag the instant before you fired (there's a good cinematic example of this in Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World). Firing under a "false flag" was considered an act of piracy.

Anyways, that's the historical origin, but the sense now is "a government faking a terrorist attack on its own citizens for political reasons", which seems only tangentially related to the phrase origin.

[Common Sense Party]

97. Thanks for the explanation. nt