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dkf

(37,305 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:15 AM Apr 2013

Does Tsarnaev's newly acquired citizenship give him more rights and less avenues for questioning?

How does the enemy combatant designation work?

If there is a sleeper cell and Tsarnaev's hatred keeps him silent knowing there will be further plots, do we need to leave him alone if he invokes his right to an attorney?

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Does Tsarnaev's newly acquired citizenship give him more rights and less avenues for questioning? (Original Post) dkf Apr 2013 OP
Yes. treestar Apr 2013 #1
Think Patriot Act... peace13 Apr 2013 #2
Here's some answers... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #3
I suspect we're about to get a training block in... CincyDem Apr 2013 #4
almost all our rights are rights "of the people" not constrained by citizenship. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #5
 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
2. Think Patriot Act...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:20 AM
Apr 2013

....none of us have any rights so while he does get the rights of all Americans, they are very limited if not nonexistent.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
3. Here's some answers...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:31 AM
Apr 2013

1) Does Tsarnaev's newly acquired citizenship give him more rights and less avenues for questioning?
No. Actually, the exact opposite.

2) How does the enemy combatant designation work?
It doesn't.

3) If there is a sleeper cell and Tsarnaev's hatred keeps him silent knowing there will be further plots, do we need to leave him alone if he invokes his right to an attorney?
He doesn't have one.

Long answers for the tl;dr crowd:
1) Nope. He's not a white suburban boy from a rich family with a normal sounding name, like Eric, Timothy, James or Adam. Nobody will stick up for him because nobody (and I mean "nobody" in the sense of most advocacy groups) cares about somebody with a "funny name" from "Dirk-Dirkastan).

2) It was never legal to begin with (it was made up to hold people indefinably without giving them rights). It's bullshit and it makes me ashamed to be an American.

3) See tl;dr for 2). He HAS no rights (because we took them away... we can make "inalienable," rights pretty damn alien, apparently). Expect waterboarding, physical abuse, sleep deprivation and so on... even though torture is a HORRIBLE way of getting accurate information from someone.

CincyDem

(6,819 posts)
4. I suspect we're about to get a training block in...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:33 AM
Apr 2013

...just what can be done to a citizen when "government" decides to label them.



First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Neimoller (1892-1984)


I sure don't want to protect a bomber but we should all be concerned about the ease with which we seem to be sliding the slippery slope. Seems that all we have to do it put the right label on something and civil rights get eviscerated.

Better be careful because someday one of us might need one of those rights over there in the shred pile...not because any of us will move as far to the extreme as White Hat but because the generally accepted definition of extreme will move toward us. Imagine the day when we reapply the Bush Doctrine of preemptive strike from nations to individuals. Who among us will be at risk because of what someone thinks we might do.



 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
5. almost all our rights are rights "of the people" not constrained by citizenship.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:59 AM
Apr 2013

That does not mean of course that the security state will not use any lame excuse to further shred what is left of the constitution.

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