Can anyone get it? Most of the World hates the USA!!

[ConcernedCanuk]

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ya can't go bombing everyone whenever you like just because you have the power to do so!

So many innocents are killed, maimed, - family grieves over them -

USA brushes it off as "collateral damage"!

No-one is gonna invade the USA -

what is their problem??

Unless they are into global domination . . .

China and Russia are watching,

Count on it.

[newfie11]

1. I agree

[elleng]

2. Psssst,

sounds like the neighbors are talking.

Thanks,

[ConcernedCanuk]

4. LOL - yeah - I'm old enuf to not give a shit

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and I'm watching

We gotta get rid of Harper - hopefully get a Leader that is not married to the USA - -

oh

ur welcome!

[elleng]

5. I do give a shit, just felt like joking.

Do keep watching, please. We like and respect y'all, and need ALL the help we can get.

[ConcernedCanuk]

9. I'm not in a joking mood - tired of seeing the USA slaughter people

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you ever see pictures of dismembered children in their "Shock and Awe" thing Iraq?

you see the pictures of the USA bulldozing down peoples trees and fields so the inhabitants had nowhere to grow their food?

USA hasn't changed a bit for 300 years, poisoning blankets to kill the natives of North America -

how they have managed to "fool" the world?

Atom bomb

USA showed the World, right or wrong, they will do whatever they want.

Time's a changing - USA's economy is in the toilet, China makes much more than the whole of North America

AND - it appears that the USA missed the message when China blew up one of their own satellites in space a few years back . . .

We can blow up ours, we can blow up yours - DUH!

USA would be crippled without their satellites - that's how they do their targeting/slaughter thing.

EVERY Empire in history has fallen

Every ONE

I'm not sure I wanna be around when it happens -

It's gonna be messy,

cuz the Military Industrial complex will unleash those nukes just out of spite . . .

Just an ole Canuk's opinion

(sigh)

[ReRe]

20. Do you have an extra room or a house for rent?

.... I'd like to come up and visit you and stay for a while.

[Carnage251]

30. You could be a nice contributor on Fox News with all that bullshit!

They love erratic doomsday types.

[Arugula Latte]

128. The problem is, he's right, though.

We have slaughtered tens of thousands of innocents.

And why?

Answer = $$.

[treestar]

45. I believe any country with the US's type of domination would do exactly the same

Not a matter of the USA per se, just human nature. Canada would do the same if it had the population and the resources. The US is lucky as it had a lot of good farmland and attracted a huge population, leading to a huge military, etc. If Germany had not had its adventures we would never have gotten into two world wars where we were able to learn of our power.

[ConcernedCanuk]

53. "we were able to learn of our power"

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Power is OK

ABUSING it is not!

[treestar]

113. It's a mixed bag on that though

We do a lot of good things, too, and are not as bad as it could be - what if Germany was the superpower? I"d rather it be us. We're not perfect by a long shot, but we are not all bad.

[ConcernedCanuk]

124. "what if Germany was the superpower?" - hmm

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I suppose we could "what if" until we are blue in the face.

We DO know there is no chance of Germany being a superpower in our lifetime.

However, China is a real possibility.

Russia comes to mind also, and the USA is pokin around in their backyards so to speak.

Ya think China and Russia are gonna put up with it forever??

I don't.

And it concerns me.

I live 50 kilometers away from where we had nukes in the 60's - they say they are gone, but I believe there's a nuke somewhere aimed here.

USA already has nukes aimed at Canada -

They are rightfully scared of everybody.

Ya can't bully people all over the globe and not expect payback.

(sigh)

[treestar]

127. I think the Russians and the Chinese would be far worse

And people would wish for the days the USA was the superpower. It was miserable enough when the USSR was a superpower also. Plenty of wars brought about due to that, plus the worry of nuclear war.

[ConcernedCanuk]

132. right or wrong, I think we are in for a big change.

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almost everything I buy now has "Made in China" on it.

ponder that.

[treestar]

133. But they are Western companies

that put the manufacturing in China - not things of Chinese origin. Thus American and Western companies built those factories and the Chinese have no motive to stop that.

[bluedigger]

3. And yet demand for entry remains high.

Go figure.

[elleng]

6. The grass is always greener . . .

[ConcernedCanuk]

13. ?

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[tblue]

8. Yeah. From Haiti and Iran. Not Japan, France, England.

I don't see mass immigration from Europe or South America. Not anymore. Or Canada. Of course demand is high in places we have helped put in desperate straits. That's how it works.

[bluedigger]

10. Great examples.

France and England have been in cahoots with us forever, and we've taken responsibility for Japan's self defense since they surrendered in 1945. Believe whatever you want, if shaming us makes you feel morally superior. I'm out.

[tblue]

15. Otay.

Morally superior? Really. No. I just think we can be a much better world citizen. Country's where people are doing well tend not to have a mass exodus to the US. That's what the numbers say but I guess you can draw your own conclusion as to why that would be.

[Number23]

118. "Believe whatever you want, if shaming us makes you feel morally superior."

There seems to be alot of that going on this thread. And it's hilarious is its simple-minded and complete dumbness.

And I won't get into some of the comments about which apparently "desirable" countries (most of whom are apparently white and European) are deciding not to emigrate here. Which is even more simple mindedly dumb (and not even close to true) than the other comments but also lined with a tinge of xenophobic and mildly racist fuckwittery as well.

[MADem]

14. Mexico is the top nation on the waiting list at this point...

http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/WaitingListItem.pdf

The twelve countries with the highest number of waiting list registrants in FY 2013 are listed
below; together these represent 77% of the total. This list includes all countries with at least
60,000 persons on the waiting list. The per-country limit in INA 202 sets an annual maximum on
the amount of preference visas which may be issued to applicants from any one country; the
2013 per-country limit will be approximately 26,600.

Country Applicants

Mexico 1,316,118
Philippines 462,145
India 332,846
Vietnam 267,281
China-mainland born 240,637
Dominican Republic 169,422
Bangladesh 161,896
Pakistan 115,903
Haiti 106,312
Cuba 87,485
El Salvador 77,107
Jamaica 61,204
All Others 1,014,337
Worldwide Total 4,412,693

[tblue]

18. I was gonna say Mexico

but I was just naming a couple examples. Why do people think everybody wants to be us and live here? They don't. They just want to live. And all those you listed are places where there's a lot of suffering and little or no opportunity. We don't have a lot of Swedes trying to come here.

[MADem]

21. Most of my friends were not born here, but are citizens, so I'm probably

not the best person to ask. Many of my friends are Europeans--UK (English/Welsh/Scottish), Irish, German, French and Italians, but I also have friends who were born in Iran, Syria, Turkey, Egypt, India, Morocco, etc. Jamaica and Bahamas too! Brazil, PR, Venezuela!! Good grief...!

I never really thought of it before now, but I don't have anywhere near as many friends who are native born to USA as I do friends who have acquired their citizenship either as a consequence of moving here with their families as children and being raised up here, or coming here as adults and working, and later choosing to obtain citizenship. A very good set of friends (Europeans) only got their citizenship a few years ago, in their seventies, after residing here for over forty years as expats, retiring, and raising their US citizen children here.

The Swedes, apparently, still like coming here, and to UK, and to China as well--their society is more mobile these days:

Last year, 1,787 people chose to move to China, a figure which is five times higher than back in 2000.

As with previous years, SCB reported that the most popular destinations for Swedish emigrants were the Nordic neighbours, the UK and the United States.

http://www.thelocal.se/39228/20120221/#.UVVMXhyG2So

Despite the shortcomings of the place from the perspective of people who are born and raised here, and have not lived abroad much if at all, there are a lot of nice qualities to the country, not the least being the weather. Also, many do like the system of government, in all its imperfections.

There's something for every taste, here, and the country is large enough and diverse enough that expats can find friends from home in short order. The biggest appeal, though, is that no one locks the door and forces people to stay if they want to pick up and leave, assuming someone else will take 'em.

[treestar]

47. Where is it from then?

India, China, the Philippines. Mexico. Africa and the Middle East. I think you may be mistaken about South America. I've met plenty of South Americans without even trying.

What difference does it make where they come from? Europeans are not more valuable. What is wrong with Haitians and Iranians? I would see Haiti not hating us at all, but Iran certainly does. Your example undoes the concept that even Iran hates the US.

[Posteritatis]

75. You don't see much emigration from highly developed countries these days at all.

The living standards are much closer to par than they were fifty - or twenty - years ago, so there's less reason for large-scale population movements between them. If someone's moving to Canada or the US from Japan, France, or England, there's more likely a reason pretty specific to that immigrant instead of a large gap in living conditions.

Canadian immigration's roughly similar to US immigration these days in that regard (after correcting for difference in population sizes); we get a hundred to a few thousand a year from most countries, 8-10,000 from the US and Britain, and about three times that each from China, India and the Philippines these days. We'll get spikes in other countries from year to year depending on what's going on with them - Iraqi immigration is way up, for instance - but with the richer, developed countries there hasn't been mass anything going on for a few decades.

[ConcernedCanuk]

12. you got stats on that??

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[Recursion]

37. The waiting lists vary greatly by visa type

J-1, B-1, and O-1 can take years. H-2 is basically wide open.

[bluedigger]

62. Yes, I do.

What are the historical numbers and shares of immigrants in the United States?
Data on the nativity of the US population were first collected in the 1850 decennial census. That year, there were 2.2 million foreign born in the United States, almost 10 percent of the total population.

Between 1860 and 1920, immigrants as a percentage of the total population fluctuated between 13 and 15 percent, peaking at nearly 15 percent in 1890 mainly due to European immigration. By 1930, immigrants' share of the US population had dropped to less than 12 percent (14.2 million individuals).

The share of foreign born in the US population continued to decline between the 1930s and 1970s, reaching a record low of approximately 5 percent in 1970 (9.6 million individuals). However, since 1970, the percentage has increased rapidly, mainly due to large-scale immigration from Latin America and Asia.

The foreign born represented 6 percent (14.1 million individuals) of the total US population in 1980. By 1990, their share had risen to 8 percent (19.8 million individuals), and by the 2000 census they made up 11 percent (31.1 million individuals) of the total US population. As of 2010, immigrants comprised 13 percent (40 million) of the total US population.http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=886#1

Now, what do you have to back your BS?

[Egalitarian Thug]

24. Yeah the millions of Norwegians beating down the door to get in here is downright frightening.

Add the Swedes, the Dutch, Swiss, French, Icelanders, and all the rest of those horrible backward nation's citizens that are ready to do violence just to get their piece of this dream, and it starts to look like it's time to start building survival bunkers.

[The Straight Story]

34. Cause people want to leave countries we might bomb, safer for them here

[ConcernedCanuk]

39. THAT, is a sad situation IMO - -

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but I understand what you are saying . .

a disturbing thought all the same

(sigh)

CC

ya should change that smiley to . . .

[treestar]

43. +1

Most of the world likes the USA.

[bvar22]

134. You haven't traveled much, have you?

Most countries DO like US Dollars, but the US tourists spending them?
Well, don't go beyond the "safe" areas.
We are laughed at and despised in most places in the World.

[treestar]

135. Not all that much

I was treated well, but then I was respectful, not an ugly American.

I did spend significant time in one other country (the UK) and did not feel at all hated there.

And if they were laughing at me and despising me just for being an American, that would be bigotry, would it not? Why would I care about the opinions of bigots?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

54. Demand for entry is high from Third World countries, not so much from First World countries

The largest immigrant groups in the Twin Cities currently are Latino, African (especially Somali and Liberian), and Southeast Asian, especially Hmong.

[JustAnotherGen]

76. My husband

Is an immigrant from Italy. Came here late August 2001 - because he had an economic opportunity here. Many of his 'circle' are fellow Calabrese living in Central NJ - all people mid 30s to mid 50's.


So even from Italy (depends on where you are looking) they still come.

Of course they don't give up their citizenship in Italy (be nuts with the health care system there and hubbies military bennies down the road) - but they still come here to grow the economy.

I work with people from Western and Northern Europe, South Korea, Japan, limited India, and Eastern Europe

[tblue]

7. "But we're the good guys."

"We do much more good than bad."

"Our intentions are good."

Even my mostly enlightened hubby says such things. (Ostrich head in hole.) We keep doing these awful things because Anericans are under the illusion that when the USA does it, it's 'different.' We're not an empirical power, oh no, not us.

Fwiw, makes me crazy too.

[ConcernedCanuk]

11. LOL - ya right - ask the World

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Fwiw

good post!

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[HughBeaumont]

36. I've always HATED "we're the good guys".

Why are we "the good guys"? Because WE say WE are?

Tell me what's "good" about bombing sovereign non-threatening nations.

Tell me what's GOOD about centuries-long wars against your workers, your non-white people, your women, your gay people, your children, your veterans, your seniors and their well being/progress.

Tell me what's GOOD about corporations using police as their army.

Tell me what's GOOD about our various wars on nouns.

Tell me what's GOOD about having no economic representation in government.

Tell me what's GOOD about a non-objective, purchased Fourth Estate.

[treestar]

48. WWII

We did not have to get into it, strictly speaking. Europe wanted us in. I've never been a fan of those claiming we saved the French. But we had vast resources and population, and we did help significantly if not save some countries. We are highly loved by Poland, I understand.

And we are a democracy and haven't outright colonized (when we could have).

As for the corporations, they are transnational. That's the problem people have with them. We complain when jobs are outsourced due to that. Well the people in the other country getting those jobs are not going to be the ones complaining.

[Cali_Democrat]

16. "No-one is gonna invade the USA"

So true.

This is why I get so angry when the media and average Americans say soldiers in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, and South Korea are/were fighting for our freedom.

Bullshit!

[tblue]

19. 'Fighting for our freedom'

is one of those terms that sounds wonderful and good but really doesn't mean what it sounds like. You and I know what 'freedom' our soldiers really fight and die for. When I hear that phrase I always blurt out something like, 'Yeah. Freedom for the masters of war and the energy industry to reap beaucoup profits.'

I'm sorry to be so cynical. Really.

[Arugula Latte]

129. That pisses me off, too!

It's assumed to be a truism. Even liberals get all upset if you call out the motives of the US military. Makes my skin crawl.

[msongs]

17. name some famous leaders who think they can murder anyone just because they want to...and do nt

[ReRe]

22. Well, let's see....

...there's anyone in any of the past Republican Administration's, or any of the MIC leaders, Harry Truman. And even the present administration with the killing drones that are used on a daily basis now, even as we speak.

[ConcernedCanuk]

40. Bush comes to mind . .

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both of them . .

Remember Bush 1? - had his gang slaughter the Iraqis as they ran AWAY from Kuwait?

Highway of death -

" American and Canadian aircraft and ground forces attacked retreating Iraqi military personnel and others escaping Kuwait on the night of February 26-27, 1991, resulting in the destruction of hundreds of vehicles and the deaths of many of their occupants. U.S. attacks against the Iraqi columns were actually conducted on two different roads."

Ya get that?? - RETREATING!!!!

more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death

and yeah, We Canuks were there also - kissing ass for our tough neighbour -

I'm ashamed of that - - it ain't me, but it's my gubment . .

I hope I'm not around when the other half of the World decides to end USA's domination

It's coming - no one puts up with a bully forever . .

cc

[gtar100]

23. Hubris is the typical downfall of the mighty. And it's the nuts on the right who shout about how the

US is so god damn better than everyone else. Too bad the rest of us will go down with the nut jobs as well. Just more reasons for not simply laughing off the idiocy of the right wing in this country. And it's painfully obvious that having Obama as president isn't going to be enough to stem the tide of hatred washing up on our shores. Making amends is the only solution but at least half this country doesn't even think we've done anything wrong. A sad truth about these "United States" is that we are anything but united. And we are shattered all over without distinguishable borders.

[Flashmann]

25. Most of the World hates the USA!!

Impossible!!

Nobody can hate us.We're #1 by gawd.

USA! USA! USA!

[geek tragedy]

42. Not impossible, merely false. nt

[el_bryanto]

26. Simplistic analysis. nt

[ConcernedCanuk]

44. ?

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[el_bryanto]

46. I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I thought the OPs analysis was overly simplistic

Saying everybody hates the USA is as simplistic, in its own way, as saying The USA is No. 1!

Bryant

[ConcernedCanuk]

57. I didn't say "everyone" hates the USA - I said "most" . . .

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I've lived in Canada for most of my life, with the exception of 14 months in San Deigo 79 - 80 where I had numerous encounters with people from Vietnam . . had two room-mates from that war - neither of them were happy with what they did over there . .

I suspect I know a hell of a lot more about the USA than you do about Canada . .

CC

[el_bryanto]

60. I know you guys have Poutaine

Which is pretty good.

I'm not saying that as a Canadian you aren't allowed to have an opinion of the USA - i'm saying that your analysis is simplistic.

Bryant

[MineralMan]

126. Err, I think you erred, there.

Every country has prostitutes. Canada is known somewhat for its "poutine," a delightful dish of pommes frites with gravy and cheese curds.

"Putains" exist in every country, more's the pity.

Worse, you misspelled the french word for prostitute.

[ConcernedCanuk]

130. It's Poutine! - that's how us dumb Canucks spell it

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gettin' hungry now??

[Recursion]

27. Only if you ignore the actual data

http://www.pewglobal.org/database/?indicator=1

[stevenleser]

32. There you go ruining a perfectly good rant with facts and data!

I don't get that sense from traveling abroad either. People are quite able to separate a few things they disagree with from opinion of an entire country.

Facts are pesky things, aren't they?

[ConcernedCanuk]

50. Did you actually READ the poll?

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it's

"Do you have a favorable or unfavorable view of the U.S.?"

and who responded

USA is noba one because they voted for themselves

from your link

"Percent responding Favorable (2012)"

and by the way

did ya notice Canada is NOT in the list?

[Recursion]

51. Yes, and they have several questions linked from that page

And if you click around you can see how we compare to other countries.

[ConcernedCanuk]

52. Did that

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Check this out

http://www.pewglobal.org/database/?indicator=1&survey=6&response=Unfavorable&mode=chart

USA's next door neighbour doesn't approve of their behavior

[Recursion]

55. Errr.. they approve of us 63-37

I think you're reading that backwards.

So, OP headline should read "US unpopular in Middle East, France"

[ConcernedCanuk]

65. YOU jumped into my thread

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by your responses,

I'm thinkin' Ostrich

get it?

We Canuks don't like the USA -but we are afraid of you, as is the rest of the World.

We all have seen what the USA does to countries they do not like

Yup, we are scared shitless of the USA - all they gotta do is push a few buttons and wipe us off the map.

We're hoping Russia and China will help us - we do not have a chance if/when the USA decides to invade us.

and HEY! - remember 911? - it was Canada that accepted flights USA was scared of.

and thanks to our Harper Dude,

we are sending oil to fuel the USA war machine . . .

imagine what would happen if we cut the USA's oil supply off?

[stevenleser]

68. Yes they did, because this is a discussion forum, not a personal blog. They responded on topic.

And they provided facts which completely refute your opinion.

[geek tragedy]

69. LMAO. Canadians are afraid the US is going

to invade or nuke them?

[ConcernedCanuk]

77. yes we are . we see what they do across the globe

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Why would anyone think that we are immune to the domination thing?

it ain't no laughing matter, Geek

ya think it's funny that we are scared of our next door neighbour??

btw

How many Canadians do know?

I know thousands . . .

You ??

[geek tragedy]

79. I have met hundreds if not thousands of Canadians

in person. You are the only person who (a) claims to be a Canadian and (b) professes fear of the Canadian Bacon scenario.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Bacon_(film)

About as likely as North Korea invading the United States.

[Clames]

82. Malarkey....

...that's all you have...


http://en-corporate.canada.travel/sites/default/files/pdf/Research/Stats-figures/International-visitor-arrivals/Tourism-monthly-snapshot/tourismsnapshot_2012_08_eng.pdf

[ConcernedCanuk]

85. Clames - I got more than Malarkey - Been on DU 10 years

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an insult and the rolling on the floor thing neither upsets nor concerns me

if you have valid information - I'll look at it it

But to just be provocative is not a good way to get my interest.

and links without at least a snippet from in it rarely interests me, or any others in here . .

you didn't make a good first impression!

and that is important.

only if you care.

get it?

CC

[Clames]

86. It's a pdf document about Canadian travel trends.

Read it and educate yourself.

If you care.

[Union Scribe]

88. You got schooled in your own thread.

I find that hilarious. Nice stream of consciousness revelations though.

[ConcernedCanuk]

90. "schooled" - does that mean I learned something??

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if so

I figure the thread a success

my interest is why you find that hilarious?

is it funny to find someone on the web that listens??o

I don't understand yur comment

"I find that hilarious"

btw - I don't "ignore" people - even if they piss me off - I just will not respond

got it??

[geek tragedy]

56. That was from 2005 and it was 59% favorable amongst Canadians.

You should really self-delete .

[Number23]

116. Wow. As an American living in Australia (and this is the fourth country I've lived in)

I can't tell what's bigger - your inability to read graphs or your misconception that you speak for the entire nation of Canada.

Either way, this is a spectacularly humorous fail. Good show, old bean!

[Puzzledtraveller]

28. Like the B-2 flyover of South Korea

It's like school yard chest pounding antics. Even in press briefings you hear statements like' if they do this or that it will be a big mistake, yadda, yadda. I think we look just as foolish as we did under GW.

[Carnage251]

29. You must actually be puzzled because they didn't flyover North Korea

[Puzzledtraveller]

31. a mistake

thanks for the correction

[treestar]

49. NK did the chest pounding antic nt

They are the ones guilty of that.

[OldDem2012]

33. A 2009 review of "The Ugly American" written in 1958....

Still ‘Ugly’ After All These Years

Quote:

Published in 1958, the book is often confused with another cold-war-era novel set in Southeast Asia, “The Quiet American,” which appeared in 1955. Yet “The Ugly American,” which depicted the struggle against insurgent Communism in the fictional nation of Sarkhan, was the bigger success, spending 76 weeks on the best-seller list and selling roughly five million copies. Writing in the Book Review, the veteran correspondent Robert Trumbull called it a “devastating indictment of American policy” and a “source of insight into the actual, day-by-day byplay of present titanic political struggle for Asia.”

The novel is a series of linked sketches of real people that Lederer, a Navy captain who served as special assistant to the commander in chief of United States forces in the Pacific and Asian theater, and Burdick, a political scientist, encountered overseas during the buildup to Vietnam. The book was originally commissioned by W. W. Norton as nonfiction, but an editor suggested it might be more effective as a novel. “What we have written is not just an angry dream,” the authors note in the introduction, “but rather the rendering of fact into fiction.” Yet the book’s enduring resonance may say less about its literary merits than about its failure to change American attitudes. Today, as the battle for hearts and minds has shifted to the Middle East, we still can’t speak Sarkhanese.

Still "ugly" after all of these years, indeed.

[ConcernedCanuk]

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[Shankapotomus]

35. Please remember

it is only approximately half of the U.S. voting block that promotes these bad relations with the rest of the world. The other half is trying defeat them.

[ConcernedCanuk]

98. I know that most USA citizens do not support this constant war

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But if the USA citizens do not stop this warlike behaviour from within, then someone will stop them from across the oceans.

USA will be stopped -

one way or another from their aggressive behaviour.

It's only a matter of time . .

USA is a bit over 300 million souls

There are 6 BILLION of us out here . .

Maybe they forgot that . . .

[OldDem2012]

38. An earlier book, "The Quiet American", written in 1955....

The Quiet American

QUOTE:

The Quiet American is an anti-war novel by British author Graham Greene, first published in United Kingdom in 1955 and in the United States in 1956. It was adapted into films in 1958 and 2002. The book draws on Greene's experiences as a war correspondent for The Times and Le Figaro in French Indochina 1951–1954. He was apparently inspired to write The Quiet American in October 1951 while driving back to Saigon from Ben Tre province. He was accompanied by an American aid worker who lectured him about finding a “third force in Vietnam”. Greene spent three years writing the novel, which foreshadowed US involvement in Vietnam long before it became publicly known. The book was the initial reason for Graham Greene being under constant surveillance by US intelligence agencies from the 1950s until his death in 1991, according to documents obtained in 2002 by The Guardian under the US Freedom of Information Act.[2][3]

The world has known about us for quite some time...some Americans are just now beginning to understand why we're hated.

[geek tragedy]

41. No, the entire planet does not hate the US.

this is a silly myth peddled (usually on the left) but invariably there's no data to support it, because what data there does exist contradicts it.

Usually it's self-flaggelating Americans who post it.

[ConcernedCanuk]

59. I'm 62 years old, live beside the superepower

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so how would I know anything??

and

all those images of slaughtered and dismembered children are photoshopped, right?

right . . .

And

I said "most" - not "all"

but y'all are getting close . . . .

[geek tragedy]

61. You speak for yourself, not most Canadians or most human beings

Planet Earth has not appointed you its spokesperson.

The data that is out there directly disproves your claims.

[ConcernedCanuk]

95. Geek - you are indeed a tragedy!

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why do you keep jumping into my threads and being abrasive??

I been here 10 years, never put anybody on ignore

but you are getting close to get that.

ya want that?

, or do you want to be more considerate.

one button - I'll never see you again

your move.

one more ignorant post -

I'll never see you again.

I ain't here to put up with crap . . .

TEN YEARS! -- and you are the first person that pissed me off so badly that I'm considering using the ignore thing . .

[RZM]

70. Being a 62 year old Canadian makes you an expert

On approximately nothing.

Who cares who you are and where you are from?

Opinions on the US vary and are complex. People like certain things about the US and dislike others. And many folks base their opinions on limited or false information. It's far more complex than you make it out to be.

[ConcernedCanuk]

74. "Who cares who you are and where you are from?"

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obviously

not you.

(sigh)

CC

[cali]

91. yes, but can you see Russia from your porch, sweetie?

So living by the U.S. make you an expert on world opinion? Wow, you must be related to Sarah P. Or is it your age that makes you an expert?

You're embarrassing yourself with ridiculous comments like this one and the OP. Of course, I've never believed that age automatically confers wisdom or that where one lives makes one an expert on world affairs.

[ConcernedCanuk]

92. "I've never believed that age automatically confers wisdom"

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I agree

[OldDem2012]

99. How about agreeing with the Canadian and being a 62 yr old US Citizen and a vet.....

...like myself? What insulting tone do you plan to take with me?

I find it hilarious that one of the biggest critics of the US on this board is trying to lecture anyone else about criticizing the US! Incredible, really!

And how about doing us all a favor by skipping the "sweetie" nonsense?

[cali]

101. I'm hardly one of the biggest critics of the U.S. on this board

and the OP was silly and inaccurate. Of course, the U.S. as a powerhouse and the leading interventionist on the world state, engenders a lot of hostility, but it's simply not true to say that most of the world hates the U.S.

And I don't know what your position is on this. I'd have to see that before I adopted any tone at all with you.

[OldDem2012]

103. Bull...on all counts. nt.

[ConcernedCanuk]

96. "canucky, dearie, why don't you go worry about Harper"

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Harper's got no nukes

He ain't slaughtering poor people across the ocean

simple-minded?

think again.

CC

[bahrbearian]

104. Jury

At Fri Mar 29, 2013, 04:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

oh fer fuck's sake. Not this simple minded shit again.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2583360

REASON FOR ALERT:

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

We don't need this kind of rude condescending post on DU.

JURY RESULTS

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Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: yeah - we could do without it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Nasty, rude, argumentative, condescending, insulting and unwelcoming crap from a poster who is all of that and worse. Hide this and admonish the poster, who needs to learn some manners.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[ConcernedCanuk]

106. WOW! I was the one getting slammed, but it offended someone ELSE enuf to do an alert!

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Thanx to those that do not take my opinions/observations personally

I doubt very much that any of the participants in this thread are personally responsible for the USA's military stance.

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The JURY

t Fri Mar 29, 2013, 04:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

oh fer fuck's sake. Not this simple minded shit again.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2583360

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

We don't need this kind of rude condescending post on DU.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 29, 2013, 04:46 PM, and the Jury voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Pot, meet kettle
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: yeah - we could do without it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Nasty, rude, argumentative, condescending, insulting and unwelcoming crap from a poster who is all of that and worse. Hide this and admonish the poster, who needs to learn some manners.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[bhikkhu]

64. No they don't

http://www.pewglobal.org/database/?indicator=1

Some do, certainly, and probably there are plenty on both sides that like or dislike based on hearsay, or based on what they hear in the less-than-perfect news media.

I think we should do better, of course, but the whole "everybody hates us" thing can be a tool for all sorts of positions. At least look at the balance of facts.

[CanSocDem]

67. The Planetary Rise in Conciousness...

...prophesized, for this millenium, is clearly waiting for the USA to mellow out.


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[lunatica]

66. Having grown up well into adulthood in Mexico I agree with you

It isn't that they hate Americans or Democracy or the opportunities the US has. It's the damn Hubris and military and corporate expansions which everyone knows is really the building of the American Empire. The US has deliberatly kept Mexico and South America poor and underdeveloped, backing dictators who have ravaged their countries.

The advantages of seeing the US through the eyes of other people has made me feel that first I am a world Citizen. I love the right things about this country and I see great potential in it. But I truly hate the Empire and the military might concept. I love Mexico no less, warts and all.

I think though, that the world tends to see us as the Teabag Party portrays us. Why would they see us any other way after 8 years of Bush?

[bike man]

71. But not enough to refuse the gifts in the form of US foreign aid.

2nd edit to add link to chart with info as to recipients, with dropdown to show year http://foreignassistance.gov/CountryIntro.aspx

[ConcernedCanuk]

78. Those "gifts" usually involve permission to have military bases

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in those countries.

ponder that.

[bike man]

81. Which also involves lease payments, local citizens on payroll, money spent by

military and civilian employees in the local economy, and - if the base is located where military members can be on an accompanied tour, money spent by families in the local economy.

ponder complete

[ConcernedCanuk]

83. "ponder complete" - really??

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USA has over 700 bases around the globe, and within a few minutes you decided it's OK??

you should look at your post carefully

you made references to $$ in different ways 5 times

life is NOT just about money . . .

[bike man]

94. No, I do not think it is ok. Those 700+ military sites in more than 30 countries

vary in size from a few folks at a radar site to the huge bases.

Close many/most and see a savings in lease payments to the host countries.

See an immediate savings in the cost of payroll to the local civilian workers at those sites/bases.

Return the military personnel/dependents to the US and disperse them among the bases in the US that were downsized, providing a boost to those local economies.

Return to the US the equipment from those sites/bases that is easily transportable, and sell the remainder at a garage sale.

Reduce the size of the military via normal attrition as enlistments expire, and less vigorous recruiting efforts.

Let the Department of Defense be for Defense, and stop being policemen to the world.

You said "life is not just about money", but for many it is. "Ponder" the millions the president has promised to Jordan (there was a DU thread on this recently) that the homeless, unemployed, uninsured, no medical access people in the US might find useful.

[Posteritatis]

72. As a member of the other 95% of the planet, we aren't a monolith. (nt)

[hughee99]

73. We should strive to be more like Canada, who was wise enough to stay out of Iraq,

Afghanistan and Kosovo.

[ConcernedCanuk]

89. I wish you were correct, Chretien kept us out of Iraq, but

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Martin and Harper got us into Afghanistan and gawd knows where else - I'm not happy with what our government is doing military-wise

and don't know if I have any power to do anything about it.

Canada squashes complaints like any other country - we have a nice country here, yes.

But don't be fooled, our government is not people friendly -

Oh yeah - they are nice to your face -

but after ya deal with them for a bit, ya realize they don't give a shit.

Despite what I wrote above

I don't want to live elsewhere . .

[geek tragedy]

80. Two words:

Stephen fucking Harper.

Thank you.

[ConcernedCanuk]

87. LOL - even us Canuks know how to count - that's 5 words.

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but you are correct.

Harper is a whore to the USA - I know you didn't say it that way

But I did!

ok stevie-baby - sue me!!

[sfpcjock]

84. I was ready to do some traveling

Now I think I just skip it.

[ConcernedCanuk]

93. Why? - and where you planning on travelling to?

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add Curious to my nic

[sfpcjock]

100. Europe, prolly.

I've always wanted to see some of the Tour de France, for some reason. That's in early July. What do you like to do?

[ConcernedCanuk]

107. What do I like to do? Explore remote camping spots in Northern Ontario.

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Here is one of my favorite spots - that's my camper above the river



just an hour's drive away

gotta luv it

took almost 15 years to build that beach,

was just a mud trail when I discovered this spot in summer 1990



Pix are from around 2004 -

No need or desire to leave Canada

[Comrade_McKenzie]

97. We've made plenty of mistakes...

And we'll probably make many more.

But the world does need a policeman.

And there always will be one, whether it's us or not.

Might as well preserve that for as long as we can...

If it weren't for the superpowers, the world would be much more chaotic than it is now.

The best foreign policy doesn't fit on a bumper sticker. Isolationists and pacifists have good hearts and are right more than wrong, but I'm comfortable with the way our current administration is running the show because what's best for the world takes a lot of diplomacy and coercion when needed.

[ConcernedCanuk]

105. Does 810 Vermont Ave ring any bells here?

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now how odd is that?

a half hour show about Veterans

waiting over 600 DAYS for benefits just concluded on Public TV Detroit

246 THOUSAND Vets waiting for benefits

that's a quarter million people!

ya think THEY are happy with the USA??

They served

now they suffer

in poverty and pain

Yesus!!

[jwirr]

108. Many of the people in our nation get it. However, I suspect that does not include the bigwigs in the

military industrial complex and also not most of our politicians. They do not want to know.

[ConcernedCanuk]

109. OH, I think they know - they just do not care!

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It's all about $$ and control methinks.

POWER - it's addictive it seems.

Blowing tens of thousands of innocent people to death in 1945,

and getting away with no retribution . . . USA has never stopped since.

heck of a legacy doncha think?

(sigh)

[jwirr]

110. Money and power are definitely the motives. But most of us do not have any of that money or that

power. Not that I am sure anything would be that different if we did. After all most of this was done with the concent of the governed.

[ConcernedCanuk]

112. "most of this was done with the concent of the governed." - Not really methinks.

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sitting back, watching in horror but saying nothing does not equal consent in my opinion.

Even the participants in the wars come back mentally crippled for what they were brainwashed into doing.

Am I wrong here?

[jwirr]

114. No I don't think you are wrong. But if you think back to 911 most of us were very willing to be

fooled.

[undeterred]

111. Everybody loves me, baby, what's the matter with you?

Fortune has me well in hand, armies 'wait at my command
My gold lies in a foreign land buried deep beneath the sand
The angels guide my ev'ry tread, my enemies are sick or dead
But all the victories I've led haven't brought you to my bed

CHORUS:
You see, everybody loves me, baby, what's the matter with you?
Won'tcha tell me what did I do to offend you?

Now the purest race I've bred for thee to live in my democracy
And the highest human pedigree awaits the first-born boy baby
And my face on ev'ry coin engraved, the anarchists are all enslaved
My own flag is forever waved by the grateful people I have saved

CHORUS:
You see, everybody loves me, baby, what's the matter with you?
Won'tcha tell me what did I do to offend you?

Now, no land is beyond my claim when land is seized in the people's name
By evil men who rob and maim, if war is hell, I'm not to blame!
Why, you can't blame me, I'm Heaven's child, I'm the second son of Mary mild
And I'm twice removed from Oscar Wilde, but he didn't mind, why, he just smiled

Yes, and the ocean parts when I walk through, and the clouds dissolve and the sky turns blue
I'm held in very great value by everyone I meet but you
'cause I've used my talents as I could, I've done some bad, I've done some good
I did a whole lot better than they thought I would so, c'mon and treat me like you should!

Because everybody loves me, baby, what's the matter with you?
Tell me what did I do to offend you?

Everybody loves me, baby, what's the matter with you?
Tell me what did I do to offend you?

Yeah, everybody loves me, baby, what's the matter with you?
Tell me what did I do to offend you?

[Douglas Carpenter]

115. that simply is not true. And nobody criticizes U.S. foreign policy more than me

- In fact if you check my previous posts - that is about all I do . Frankly I have lived most of my life outside of North America. I cannot imagine anyone who has done a lot of traveling and living abroad making such a broad brush comment. Most of the world actually likes a lot of things about America and hates a lot of things about America - Almost everyone thinks Americans are personally about the friendliest and most polite of all Western peoples. Even most of the Middle East thinks that way - pretty much everyone does. Pretty much everyone wants to visit American. I will be criticizing American policy to my dying day and certainly denouncing American aggression and American support for aggression. But I have to temper that with the knowledge that America is the land of extremes - a lot of good and a lot of bad. A lot of wisdom and a lot of foolishness. A lot education and a lot of ignorance. That is how the vast majority of the world thinks about Amreica.

I thought the President of the Republic of Ireland, the honorable Michael D. Higgins expressed it quite well:

[Violet_Crumble]

120. The President of Ireland is my new hero. That was awesome! n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

117. From someone who's part of most of the rest of the world: We don't hate the US...

Some people would, especially in places the US has wrought the most damage on. But the relationship between the rest of the world and the US is complex, and yr claim that most of the world hates the US is simplistic. I'm strongly critical of US foreign policy, and haven't seen the improvements I hoped we'd see when the Bush era ended, but a lot of people dislike what the US does around the globe, but also admire the US in other areas (healthcare not being one of them obviously)...

[Renew Deal]

119. Hasn't Canada been a "willing" member of the coalitions of the willing?

[ConcernedCanuk]

125. Nope! - Chretien REFUSED to get us involved in Iraq.

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His response "A proof is a proof is a proof" is famous in his response to that little jar taken to the United Nations that was supposedly "yellow-cake" the Iraqis had to create a nuke.

more links

https://www.google.ca/search?q=A+proof+is+a+proof+is+a+proof%22&aq=f&oq=A+proof+is+a+proof+is+a+proof%22&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8



Martin got us into Afghanistan without our knowledge, and Harper is keeping us there.

We do NOT like it

[Zax2me]

121. No, not since President Obama was elected.

Maybe 5 years ago.
No more.
We are more respected and loved.

[Raine]

123. Agree. nt

[davidthegnome]

122. You're preaching to the wrong people.

Most of us here argue against, protest against - and fight against (in various ways) the things you're talking about. We don't feel like we can go bomb everyone just because we have the power. We aren't eagerly encouraging the slaughter of innocents. Most of us are aware that no one is going to invade the USA, most of us are not into global domination.

Yes, China and Russia are watching us and we're watching them. Do we all feel sufficiently tough now? Maybe we should take our naval forces out for a meeting somewhere, see how far they can all piss into the ocean.

I don't disagree with you, but the thing is, even those of us who are annoyed by your rant don't disagree with you. If it were up to us here, we'd end the wars, bring our troops home, stop the drone strikes and the resulting collateral damage. We're not into global domination, with the possible exception of the Canadians here. Everyone knows Canada wants to rule the world.

[L0oniX]

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