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Instead of apologizing or listening to the complaints that the network was soft on rapists due to their Steubenville rape convictions coverage, CNN is outraged and dismissive.
Today The Wrap reported:
Poppy is taking this extremely personally as a woman, said one executive. Shes outraged that someone would think shed do such a thing as slant her coverage toward rapists. Its gotten so out of control.
http://www.thewrap.com/media/column-post/cnn-soft-rapists-steubenville-coverage-sparks-debate-81861?page=0,0
I dont believe that Poppy Harlow, Candy Crowley, or CNN deliberately set about to apologize for rapists or minimize rape. But they did. The fact that they are so unaware of why this is a problem is exactly why they need to apologize. The problem here is that Harlow and CNN dont understand why people are complaining. Harlow is outraged and CNN has brushed it off as not necessarily valid according to The Wrap, CNN had no official comment, except to note privately that viral petitions sometimes have a life of their own and start feeding on itself whether or not the issue is valid.
The issue is very simple and very valid. We live in a rape culture. That is a culture where rape is excused and blown off, and the victim is silenced and/or smeared. Rape is excused and tolerated via the sometimes well meaning complicity of people who dont know any better. That culture is being challenged by the very same social media that was used to broadcast the humiliating abuse of the victim. Guess which side won in the court of mainstream public opinion? Hint: It wasnt the perpetrators.
And so CNNs coverage was disturbing, as it fed the rape culture. Reporter Poppy Harlow stood outside the courtroom visibly distressed and lamented on air to Candy Crowley, Ive never experienced anything like it, Candy. Its incredibly emotional, even for an outsider like me. These two young men, with promising futures, star football players, A students, literally watched as their lives fell apart. No mention of how the victims life was torn apart and is forever tainted due to the video and pictures the rapists and their posse posted online. Candy Crowley didnt help matters when she, too, failed to mention the victim.
The Wrap acknowledged:
Indeed, Crowley may regret qualifying the crime as essentially rape.
cont'
http://www.politicususa.com/cnns-poppy-harlow-outraged-stuebenville-rape-coverage-backlash.html
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)appacom
(296 posts)lark
(23,193 posts)NO MORE - NEVER AGAIN!!! Can't believe that they are so deep in the anti-women philosphy that they can't understand what they did wrong. That women did this is even much more distrubing and disqualifying from ever being watched or given even an ounce of credibility.
Candy Crowley - I thought you were better than this, but I was obviously greatly mistaken!!!
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)Actually, I blocked those rat bastards when Bushco was installed.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)They KNOW they are subjective, events and news are secondary to their profit margin. That is why I call them FoxLite.
Yes that is right, CNN is just FoxLite. That is why I won't watch either and hate their propaganda.
Cha
(298,046 posts)wrong in how you were sympathizing with the rapists.
thanks Segami.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)Send a message to those advertising on CNN why you are withdrawing support for their good/service until CNN says they were WRONG and apologizes and promises not to do it again. Use "the market" to get their attention.
Cha
(298,046 posts)a Holding Pattern.
progressoid
(50,020 posts)I'm glad to hear that they are getting the message that they fucked up. Too bad they are even handling the repercussions badly, but at least we know we are being heard.
I'd like to say, I'll never watch CNN again. But I haven't deliberately watched them for years.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Wolf Blitzer ran out onto the airfield in Eveleth MN, to grab the mike away from a local woman reporter. She was saying that weather had NOT played a part in Wellstone's plane going down. Blitzer wanted us all to know that weather did play a part.
Funny thing, but the weather couldn't have been all that bad. After all, when it became obvious that Wellstone's plane, which had made contact with the control tower, never landed, the airport manager immediately took off in his small plane, to figure out where the plane was. He didn't find the weather to be difficult at all.
Z_I_Peevey
(2,783 posts)Is there a clip of this online? He grabbed a mike from the hand of a local reporter?
yodermon
(6,143 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)The massacre of Wellstone, his wife, daughter, staff members and the TWO PILOTS flying his top of the line private plane.
Before I give you the link, I will state for the record that I watched this happen on CNN at the time it happened! (I don't think CNN keeps its TV reports and vids of them up for so long - this is an event that will mark its tenth anniversary this autumn.
One more thing - I requested and received the NTSB records relating to the crash. Do you know the plane crashed approximately 11:15 Am but the plane burned until close to 6Pm? An aviation expert I contacted said that was highly suspect in and of itself. Sen Ted Kennedy was scheduled to be aboard this flight! For whatever reason, he changed his mind right before he was supposed to get on.
http://californiavspeterson.blogspot.com/2012/08/occams-razor-media-inacurracies-lies.htmlplane.
Z_I_Peevey
(2,783 posts)That's the message I got at your link.
Although I couldn't any video, I did find a number of references to the exchange, including in the description of this book about the Wellstone crash:
http://www.amazon.com/American-Assassination-Strange-Senator-Wellstone/dp/0975276301
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Made regarding Fetzer's book on The Wellstone Massacre are pertinent:
By David R. Griffin
Amazon Verified Purchase
The authors of this important book argue that Senator Paul Wellstone's death, 10 days before the 2002 elections, was an assassination, most likely ordered by the Bush administration.
Directly confronting the widespread tendency to reject all "conspiracy theories," the authors point out that "the idea that every theory that implies the existence of conspiracy ought to be rejected out of hand" is no more rational than the idea that every such theory should be accepted. Rather, "each case has to be evaluated on the basis of the evidence that is relevant and available in that case." On that basis, they argue, if we look at ALL the relevant evidence and employ the scientific method of inference to the best explanation, we must conclude that the theory that Wellstone was assassinated is far more probable than the official theory, according to which his airplane crash was an accident. The evidence includes several facts suggesting that the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) colluded with the FBI in a cover-up:
1. FBI agents from Minneapolis arrived at the crash site within 2 hours after the crash, even though the trip from Minnesota to Duluth to the crash site would have taken at least 3 hours--so they must have departed before the plane crashed.
2. When asked for the times at which private flights had arrived in Duluth that morning, the FAA said the records had been destroyed.
3. Considerable disinformation about weather conditions was quickly given to the press.
4. Although regulations called for the investigation to be carried out by the NTSB, not the FBI (because the crash site was not designated a crime scene), the FBI agents were there for 8 hours before the NTSB team arrived.
5. The FBI, even though there illegally, prevented the local "first responders" from taking photographs.
Segami
(14,923 posts)We hear CNN honcho Jeff Zucker is interested in seeing her join his cable channel. A source told us, Theyre definitely interested. Although The View creator Barbara Walters denied on-air that Hasselback was on her way out, after news reports were leaked saying shes being axed, Page Six revealed shes being pushed out of the ABC daytime talk show as ratings sag and research shows her conservative views dont sit well with some regular viewers. [NY Post]
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/elisabeth_wooed_n5JFyAXctmIMOdEwzmAmfM
http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/03/elisabeth-hasselbeck-may-be-headed-to-cnn-to-host-a-morning-show/
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Though I can't remember to where. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if CNN hires her. I'm guessing Glenn Beck will be next.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MoclipsHumptulips
(59 posts)but he is a right wing slime bag just like she is.
When the brother in law was a Seahawk he gave bush a Seahawk jersey when the deserter was up here and caught major heat but in true repiglathug form he did not care a bit.
Her ignorance is loved by the right wing 'base'.
bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)is now a sought after esteemed news journalist overnight. I'm sure there'll be a bidding war with FOX News.
Only in America
sheshe2
(84,060 posts)Just like the GOP when it comes to violence and rape of women and children.
from a post yesterday:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022540260
Thank you, Segami, for pointing out their blind outrage!
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I hope they get double viral over this. They have got to be the fucking dumbest people on the planet. omg, how disgusting and clueless they are.
GRRRRRRR!!!!!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"And so CNNs coverage was disturbing, as it fed the rape culture. Reporter Poppy Harlow stood outside the courtroom visibly distressed and lamented on air to Candy Crowley, Ive never experienced anything like it, Candy. Its incredibly emotional, even for an outsider like me. These two young men, with promising futures, star football players, A students, literally watched as their lives fell apart. No mention of how the victims life was torn apart and is forever tainted due to the video and pictures the rapists and their posse posted online."
Part of this is related to the cable news disease of going overboard to emotionally "humanize" an angle in as many stories as possible...Nancy Grace is one of the clowns who elevated this to an art form, and clearly her influence has caught on...
indepat
(20,899 posts)really sorry.
chillfactor
(7,588 posts)she put many guests, especially dumbass republicans, on the spot.....
what is with CNN......they want to put a blonde bimbo like Hasselback on in the morning? then they added a jackass like jake tapper?
I so miss the days when Ted Turner was running the network...CNN has fallen into the pitfalls of hell since he left...and Harlow and Crowley are perfect examples.....
2naSalit
(86,943 posts)heard from the lips of Mr. Turner that he laments what CNN has become. It was some time ago but I heard him say, can't remember where, but I do recall that he was sorely disappointed.
CNN is truly all into the slut-shaming aspect of this issue and probably, for the reasons mentioned elsewhere in this thread, because they want to scoop up all the no-nothings who are now disenchanted with Fuxnooze. Worthless, nonstop BS is what CNN has become.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)warrior1
(12,325 posts)lpbk2713
(42,774 posts)"I'll have "Really Stupid Moves" for five hundred please Alex."
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Nova had a show on last night on Watson, the AI that was on Jeopardy. I told my husband about Blitzer being on Jeopardy and losing like the moron he is ... great laughter ensued, he didn't know that.
olddots
(10,237 posts)changing the channel doesn't cut it and as for fox fascism who paved the way for garbage like this if we don't figure out a way to be heard against this machine we better just check out.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)There are people who want to silence anyone who calls out and challenges rape culture, but that's the only way to affect real, lasting change.
Segami
(14,923 posts)wryter2000
(46,133 posts)n/t
Bucky
(54,094 posts)only by kids with straight-A's
EmeraldCity
(5 posts)I have never banged on my laptop so hard in response to that sick and horrendous video.
There is a simple solution to this we need to get Poppy Harlow fired and Candy Crowley fired. There are many ways we can make this happen. My biggest idea is we get a petition to get them fired backed by a boycott against cnn. If we want it bad enough we can get those rape promoters fired.
Also why did the rapists only get 1 year? They should get at a very minimum 10 years for that horrific crime.
wryter2000
(46,133 posts)Ilsa
(61,712 posts)Yet, in some states, they try to try fifteen year olds as adults.
Welcome to DU!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and their ***cough*** ***cough*** backgrounds as to whether they are tried as adults, that applies to most states
redqueen
(115,108 posts)As well as the ***cough*** ***cough*** background, of the victim.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Bucky
(54,094 posts)The second kid broke down and cried. He should've felt awful and apparently he did. There might be hope for him. But that first kid, he was just horrible, just reciting his apology like he was being forced to pay for a neighbor's window he hit with a baseball. He was like "I'm sorry I raped your daughter and stuff."
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Not for the rape, anyway.
Webster Green
(13,905 posts)It's nothing but a propaganda outlet for the right-wing.
Bucky
(54,094 posts)It's just bizarre that CNN is digging in its heels on this idiotic misstep. The reporters need to apologize and just do better in the future.
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)They only got upset with Aiken, et. al. because they lost.
We should start calling them the RAPEuglycon party
Bucky
(54,094 posts)CNN
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/20/scott-brown-calls-on-akin-to-step-aside/
Think Progress
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/19/712151/growing-number-of-conservative-call-on-akin-to-withdraw-after-legitimate-rape-comments/
ABC on Scott Brown calling for Akin to withdraw
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/scott-brown-calls-on-todd-akin-to-resign-from-missouri-race-after-legitimate-rape-comment/
ABC on the goddamned Tea Party asking for Akin to withdraw
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/akins-rape-remark-draws-tea-party-pressure-quit/story?id=17041857#.UU20U1eyLwI
They'll be RAPEuglycons the day after you start calling yourself a "MakeShitUpOcrat"
valerief
(53,235 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)You'll have to find a new title
valerief
(53,235 posts)Bucky
(54,094 posts)I mean, poor CNN, forced to endure this entirely unwanted criticism of their sympathy for those poor rapists. It's like a nightmare; every time they defend themselves, these so-called critics just layer on new scorn for daring to see these lads, these straight-A student lads, I remind you, for daring to see them as human beings, with all the flaws and tender frailties that humanity entails. And CNN, isn't is only human too? Yet people harp on and on about their all-too-human empathy for the young men who must endure this tragic misfortune, just because they happened to get caught raping. Oh, when will the suffering end?
BuddhaGirl
(3,615 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)Hugues Quebecois 'Poppy is taking this extremely personally as a woman,' said one executive. 'Shes outraged that someone would think shed do such a thing' as slant her coverage toward rapists. 'Its gotten so out of control.' Playing the victim? Do you think this is a game. You gave up the right to speak to or as a woman when you became a rape apologist...
MacKenzie Reed Your indignation signals your complete and utter lack of understanding of the experience of having your body violated. Did you know that the majority of PTSD sufferers are actually women who have survived sexual assault? The 1 in 5 statistic is no joke. Most women don't report rape because of people like you - because we are all-too-aware of the rape culture - that you perpetuated! - that tells us that the rape was really our fault. One condition of living on this earth is that we all face consequences for our actions - kind of like the Steubenville rapists. You will be called to face your actions in one way or another. I recommend that you search your heart and make things right immediately.
Well deserved! Now come out and properly apologize, and we will know if you mean it!
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Disgusting.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)Write to advertisers on CNN and tell them we enjoy/use there products but no longer tune in to CNN. Their advertising dollars could be better spent elsewhere.
Just an idea, not sure if it would work.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)I don't have the mental energy right now to find their sponsors. I am hoping another DUer will come through.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)together. What do you say?
I originally said highest ratings, but Anderson Cooper is the exception- he corrected reporters for their perp loving bullshit.
Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)Subject: Tell CNN: Suspend Candy Crowley for Steubenville coverage
Dear Friend,
When the guilty verdict came down in the Steubenville rape case and two high school football players were convicted of gang-raping a 16-year-old girl, we were shocked by CNN's coverage.
CNN news anchor and chief political correspondent Candy Crowley led a discussion about the two convicted rapists lamenting them as "young men that had such promising futures, star football players, very good students." When Crowley interviewed legal analyst Paul Callan about the negative effect that these rape convictions would have on the perpetrators, it was hard to tell who she thought the real victims were -- focusing on the defendants as young and vulnerable boys she noted that registering as sex offenders will "haunt them for the rest of their lives."
Tell CNN: Suspend Candy Crowley and discipline staff responsible for your dangerously flawed and apologist coverage of the Steubenville rape verdict.
http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/cnn_steubenville/?r_by=56317-2753290-wkMjNnx&rc=confemail
Apophis
(1,407 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)When will they ever learn?
D23MIURG23
(2,851 posts)D23MIURG23
(2,851 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)What they have done since he left is tantamount to going into a temple and using the altar as a toilet.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)It's a tried and true method. Corporate News Network needs to have a time out and a monetary hit for such heinous pandering to rapists. It must not be tolerated.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)I have a personal situation that has me hanging on by a thread, but if someone out there will get the list of CNN sponsors, I will help it go viral and will make sure upworthy has the link as well. Help a struggling patriot, please.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)CNN is the only major station here in Korea, though we do also get BBC. CNN International is not near as bad, though we have to put up with the constant sports shows that pretty much focus on European sports. They make me want to gag.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)situations.
Its how they now cover all stories, not just politics.
Both sides are equally to blame, are equally at fault, are equally damaged, by a series of events which apparently exist SEPARATELY and APART from those actually involved.
This approach is what allows CNN reporters to sit quietly as a Republican lie directly to their face. Both sides are always equal.
And its now part of how they report everything.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)There is zero critical analysis coming from that brain trust.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)just1voice
(1,362 posts)deserves to be lied to. Getting emotionally worked up about CNN's propaganda is exactly what CNN wants as the very purpose of most propaganda is to get an emotional, not a rational, response.
Learn people learn, you're allowing yourselves to be duped every single day of your lives by financial predators. CNN does not care about issues, news, reality, ethics or anything except CASH.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)TM Casablanca
Mosby
(16,417 posts)To give them some time to think about how their reporting somehow went horribly wrong.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)IMO
Little Star
(17,055 posts)trying to please everybody they end up pleasing no one.
Republican's have FOX, we have MSNBC. CNN tried to go for the middle but there really is no middle worth having it's so small. Democrats think CNN is FOX lite, Republicans think CNN's as bad as MSNBC. CNN stands for nothing. Dumb Shits!
I agree
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)a lot of women are and contribute heavily to sexism
just being female does not mean you can't contribute to sexism and misogyny
Lex
(34,108 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)funny they have never have anything actually enlightening to say. It always comes down to:
"it doesn't bother ME when he /they ______________________"
What insight we all gain from them!
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)for being non-racist and non-sexist and non-homophobic and feel entitled to make jokes or use language that is racist/sexist/homophobic.
argh
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)probably not nearly the assholes that they are.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)They make my head spin.
(argh indeed)
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)To certain men in real life, the default response is "but some women LIKE that!"
Errrrr... OK. That doesn't make it "not sexist".
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)civil war reenactors, LOL.
tblue37
(65,547 posts)commits a real offense, whether out of carelessness or ignorance, that person, once the offense is pointed out, will usually apologize sincerely and learn from the situation.
When someone who is a major jerk commits a real offense and is called out over the offense, that person will get both defensive and offensive. He or she will try to invalidate the concern over the offense, defensively claiming that it was not really an offense at all. And then that person will go on the offense, claiming that the person offended is being all extreme and unreasonable--and maybe even a little bit (or a lot) nutty--about being offended by something so minor or misunderstood. Even if the person is finally forced to offer an apology for the original offense, it will be of the insincere "if anyone was offended" non-apology variety.
My major jerk alarm is going off like a klaxon over the way CNN and Harlow are responding. Can you hear it? OOOOGAH! OOOOOOGAH! OOOOGAH!
Whisp
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Segami
(14,923 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)Heathen57
(573 posts)are responsible for what they say. If I would for a moment that they would care what viewers thought, this is what I would tell them:
"You two really need to listen to just what you said at the time before you take offense at what your viewers are telling you. YOU both were the ones lamenting that these two boys lives were ruined, without once mentioning it was their own actions that caused them to be in that position.
"YOU both were at fault for not mentioning, not even once, that they were convicted by a judge, not some easily swayed jury. That means that the evidence proved beyond reasonable doubt they committed a crime.
"YOU both, and this is the worst offence, failed to show your audience the hurt they have done to the victim, how her life has been ruined through their actions.
"The failure of you to see just what you did to deserve the ire, you are demonstrating the same arrogant reaction that the boys had. Blame the victims but never hold the perpetrators responsible for their actions."
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... What good does it do when everyone knows you did what you're being accused of? It was blasted all over the USA and the effing world, for Pete's sake. I think it's a left-over more' from days of yore when certain people lived by the unspoken rule of "Never, never, ever admit it," ... you know, the "Good Ole Boy's Club." Well, this incident is just a reminder that this unspoken rule is still alive and well out there in America and practiced daily by a certain portion of our society. That place where girls and women know their place and go along to get along, because they are trapped inside that "world." That's what I heard in Candy & Poppy's prospective.
The Faux News viewers who refuse to be drug, kicking and screaming into the 21st century. The fundies. And CNN is cashing in on Faux News' rating dip. Can't have the 'Merican People hearing too much of that Pew opinion stuff over at MSNBC, now can we? And now Elizabeth Hessleback (sp?) is moving to CNN. What more proof do we need? CNN is taking a bigger step to the right.
Well, it's OK... because I don't watch their slanted news much anymore anyway, but now I'm giving it up altogether with everyone else.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)I am furious and just zapped off a HOWLER to cnn! They turn my stomach!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Andy Stanton
(264 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)In CNNs opinion, their lives were more important than the victim's.
WRH2
(87 posts)One time I logged on to cnn to watch Ir ag war coverage and did something that destroyed my hard drive
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and the 700 or so comments on Harlows FB page are all wrong too, the 99.9999% that read her comments the exact same way we did - as empathizing more for the rapists than the girl...
Would that made sense, that a person who studed and trained in the 'communications' industry, is just plain misunderstood on what message he/she sends out.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/our-awful-rape-culture-is-real-but-cnns-poppy-harlow-was-not-sympathizing-with-steubenville-rapists/
Our Awful Rape Culture Is Real, But CNNs Poppy Harlow Was Not Sympathizing With Steubenville Rapists
...The petition also called the CNN segment disgusting, accusing it of perpetuating a shameful culture in which young people never understand the concept of consent and in which rape victims are blamed and ostracized.
The resultant outrage is entirely understandable. We should have no tolerance for people who sympathize with rapists or make excuses for non-consensual behavior. But when you cut through the haze of the controversy and dig a little deeper, it seems as though Poppy Harlow is not the vicious rape-high-fiver many have decided to brand her.
Why? Because if you look through the totality of her reporting on the verdict, Harlow often stressed that this was a serious crime while repeatedly mentioning the devastating emotional impact this whole ordeal has had on the unnamed victim.
During that same controversial segment on Sunday morning, for instance, Harlow explained how the victims life will never be the same again, and that her mother believes the girl will persevere and get through these hard times. She read from the mothers statement, which told the rapists they displayed a lack of compassion and a lack of moral code.
Later in the day, Harlow told anchor Fredricka Whitfield that the rape was an incredibly serious crime before reiterating the details of the sex acts: Both boys found guilty of raping this 16-year-old girl. One in a car, one in a basement as she lay naked on the floor, and they have been found guilty....
What utter bullshit. I don't buy it for a minute