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David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:08 PM Mar 2013

The Reasons Ashley Judd Can Not Win in Kentucky...

are the same reasons fearful and cautious Democrats said that...

Jerry Brown could never be elected if he ran for Governor...

Tom Bradley could never be elected Mayor of Los Angeles...

Hillary Clinton could never be elected as a Senator from New York...

John Kennedy could never be elected President...

Elizabeth Warren could never be elected Senator in Massachussettes...

Ann Richards could never be elected Governor of Texas...

And Barack Obama could never be elected if he ran for President...

And on and on and on and on...(I mean really goes on and on and on...)

If Ashley Judd runs, she will be elected.

Senator Ashley Judd. Yep. Sounds just fine to me, but what do I know? I supported all of the above when all I heard was "voters aren't ready for this yet."

Well, they are ready. And so is Kentucky.

(Edited for my typos: the hallmark of any of my OP's)

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The Reasons Ashley Judd Can Not Win in Kentucky... (Original Post) David Zephyr Mar 2013 OP
"If Ashely Jud runs, she will be elected." Well, this may not be true. Swamp Lover Mar 2013 #1
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #45
Fuckin' A. Iggo Mar 2013 #65
What... Ztolkins Mar 2013 #113
She can be my second surrogate Senator House of Roberts Mar 2013 #2
Mine, too! Delmette Mar 2013 #15
Democratic deurbano Mar 2013 #18
Thank you for making this correction, leftieNanner Mar 2013 #21
My bad. Delmette Mar 2013 #26
I know what you mean thucythucy Mar 2013 #43
Why did you use "correctly" correctly in your first sentence and incorrectly in maddiemom Mar 2013 #107
Honestly, I have trouble Control-Z Mar 2013 #39
Oh God, I know how you feel.... ReRe Mar 2013 #42
We have Mark Pryor. If you know what I mean. Blanks Mar 2013 #97
My sympathies of course ReRe Mar 2013 #114
She can be my 3rd after Sanders & Warren. In NC I have a blue dog Dem & Burr.... tpsbmam Mar 2013 #125
Heaping big K&R n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #3
The Can't folks, I think would rather deal with a TeaPubliKlan if they can't get a TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #4
She's my Elizabeth Warren for 2014. onehandle Mar 2013 #5
what was so sad Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #6
Ashley Judd is running for Senator. If you live anywhere in Kentucky you CAN vote for her. TheDebbieDee Mar 2013 #16
That's odd Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #31
Maybe you only voted in the Bunning years......The elections for Senator are staggered TheDebbieDee Mar 2013 #50
I remember in every election since 1998 Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #57
Then you didn't look hard enough Ter Mar 2013 #68
I got some crow to eat Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #69
McConnel should have been on your ballot in dsc Mar 2013 #81
You're putting someone on ignore for being correct? Fawke Em Mar 2013 #99
Are you sure you've been voting every two years, not only in Presidential elections? merrily Mar 2013 #102
"If memory serves, they go by District." waddirum Mar 2013 #90
I just asked my old roommate Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #96
You and your old roommate may be thinking of state senator. merrily Mar 2013 #103
Bunning was a U.S. congressman from 1987-99, before he was a U.S. senator. Tanuki Mar 2013 #111
Yep Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #112
Guilty as charged... Indepatriot Mar 2013 #7
What a fantastic post! nt rivegauche Mar 2013 #20
You should post that as an OP. that's great. Pirate Smile Mar 2013 #28
Your post gave me goose-bumps. PearliePoo2 Mar 2013 #88
Go Ashley! Little Star Mar 2013 #8
And I thought it was poll numbers... bobclark86 Mar 2013 #9
The last I heard... ReRe Mar 2013 #48
reality check daybranch Mar 2013 #67
Well said Walk away Mar 2013 #74
Jack was and is the AG. Paul took Dumbings seat and beat out establishment SoS to do so. TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #78
The Establishment Party Bosses Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #10
She's as electable.... paleotn Mar 2013 #17
Ask the Democratic party. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #33
I always have trouble with "theys"... ReRe Mar 2013 #52
The Party Bosses. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #55
The folks who show up and vote at the Democratic primaries are the ones who make these decisions Telly Savalas Mar 2013 #70
With all due respect Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #84
Exactly. People said the same thing when Al Franken ran BlueStreak Mar 2013 #82
how do you know that? stillcool Mar 2013 #44
1) It's being leaked all over the media, Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #47
yeah...there's a lot.. stillcool Mar 2013 #54
Does anyone know how the DSCC distributes campaign funding? rhett o rick Mar 2013 #11
Ashley will FIRST have to win the Democratic Primary, bvar22 Mar 2013 #23
I agree. And who was our worst enemy when we tried to kick Lieberman's ass out of Conn? rhett o rick Mar 2013 #27
"They" NEEDED Joe Lieberman. bvar22 Mar 2013 #36
You are such a skeptic. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #41
Excellent! Thanks for mentioning Huey Long. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #122
Judd might benefit from a revenge factor. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #104
I hope so. But two things. Democrats havent shown me that they "payback". rhett o rick Mar 2013 #108
I can't speak for the DSCC tabbycat31 Mar 2013 #123
I dont know much about Ms. Judd's qualifications, but to defeat rhett o rick Mar 2013 #127
I agree tabbycat31 Mar 2013 #128
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #12
Ready or not - here she comes. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2013 #13
That's quite a mixed bag you've chosen there. harmonicon Mar 2013 #14
Qualified fistbump from me. rivegauche Mar 2013 #19
The US Senate is a fucking joke Telly Savalas Mar 2013 #71
So has no chance Carnage251 Mar 2013 #22
Are you kidding? bvar22 Mar 2013 #53
Not only America or American Idol... ReRe Mar 2013 #59
no he isnt kidding blueknight Mar 2013 #60
the entire country LOVES Hollywood waddirum Mar 2013 #91
What is the entertainment capital of the Bible belt? pstokely Mar 2013 #93
The south/republicans don't care too much about Hollywood Carnage251 Mar 2013 #105
Lived in KY since 1977 Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #100
How could you forget... RoccoRyg Mar 2013 #24
I did forget, but thankfully you didn't, RoccoRyg. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #118
In a situation like this it is really, really simple for me. Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2013 #25
When the time comes, I'll be happy to hurl some money at her from up here in NY. n/t eggplant Mar 2013 #29
The problem is all of those people had more political experience in their pinky than she does BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #30
Yeah, and all those Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #35
Unfortunately, the price for "Political Experience" is Political Indebtedness. bvar22 Mar 2013 #49
Exactly!!! n/t Sophiegirl Mar 2013 #58
Al Franken never served in office prior to winning his election waddirum Mar 2013 #92
Anyone who compares her to Warren needs to have their head examined BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #98
agree upi402 Mar 2013 #32
A lot of it will depend on John2 Mar 2013 #34
love the post and love the spirit, however grantcart Mar 2013 #37
Don't forget Senator Franken :) (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2013 #38
Yes, indeed. See my post #118. Thank you for the reminder. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #120
I'm glad you posted this. Firebrand Gary Mar 2013 #40
Ventura, Schwarzenegger, St Ronald of Reagan, Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #46
McConnell has tons of cash too. And more will come in for him. Bake Mar 2013 #61
We have your back, Bake Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #64
Ever notice it's guys that make this claim? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #51
Did you read the whole post? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #75
Sure. It's about how the doomsayers have a track record of being wrong.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #79
Ashley Judd will have to run....... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #56
"channel her inner Huey Long". David Zephyr Mar 2013 #121
Thanks, but remember..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #126
I agree with everything you said until your last sentence. Bake Mar 2013 #62
She will have to explain some of her past comments LittleBlue Mar 2013 #63
K&R ReRe Mar 2013 #66
Hell, Kentucky elected The Wizard Mar 2013 #72
Ashley Judd or My Name's Mudd! NBachers Mar 2013 #73
Who said that about... brooklynite Mar 2013 #76
How many movie stars have failed to win? aquart Mar 2013 #77
How many Hollywood starts have ran in the bible belt? pstokely Mar 2013 #95
Fred Thompson. LanternWaste Mar 2013 #101
Ben Jones (Cooter from "Dukes of Hazard") won congressional seat in Georgia... cascadiance Mar 2013 #115
Davey Crockett. toby jo Mar 2013 #124
Come back when you can answer the question you were asked. aquart Mar 2013 #129
I've given her support Mosaic Mar 2013 #80
HUGE K&R (nt) demosocialist Mar 2013 #83
This is the whole point of Dean's 50 State Strategy. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #85
Yes. Howard Dean took back the Congress in a mid-term when Bush was riding high. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #119
Sounds good to me. BootinUp Mar 2013 #86
I don't care if she can win. The people of Kentucky deserve a decent candidate FreeBC Mar 2013 #87
Amen!! 7wo7rees Mar 2013 #89
I'll volunteer for her campaign lexington filly Mar 2013 #94
Or Donnelly of Indiana could never beat Senator Lugar. LiberalFighter Mar 2013 #106
And one wonders still if John Cougar Mellencamp might have won in previous Indiana election... cascadiance Mar 2013 #116
I think her main liability will be madville Mar 2013 #109
Don't really agree with your examples at all RZM Mar 2013 #110
I have to admit I don't recall ANYONE saying Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren hughee99 Mar 2013 #117
 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
1. "If Ashely Jud runs, she will be elected." Well, this may not be true.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:10 PM
Mar 2013

But if she does not run, she will certainly not be elected.

Delmette

(522 posts)
15. Mine, too!
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:03 PM
Mar 2013

Montana has two Democrat Senators, but i really wish we had a woman in one of those positions.

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
18. Democratic
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:10 PM
Mar 2013

Not trying to be the grammar police, but don't want to just accept the right wing version (which is meant as an insult), either. (I'm not saying you meant it in an insulting way...)

leftieNanner

(15,056 posts)
21. Thank you for making this correction,
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:13 PM
Mar 2013

I don't like it when left leaning folks pick up the Rightie Lingo either. We are Democrats and are part of the Democratic Party.

Delmette

(522 posts)
26. My bad.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:21 PM
Mar 2013

Thank you, I know I can't spell correctly. I can even stump spell check. It gets really bad when a word is spelled correct but still wrong.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
107. Why did you use "correctly" correctly in your first sentence and incorrectly in
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:46 AM
Mar 2013

your last? PAY ATTENTION. It has nothing to do with your spelling. Your first instinct was right.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
39. Honestly, I have trouble
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:06 PM
Mar 2013

maintaining interest in what is being said once I run into this particular wing talk. I know I should not react this way, and I really try to accept and move on. It just troubles me so much. Thanks for speaking up.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
42. Oh God, I know how you feel....
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:14 PM
Mar 2013

.... I lived down there back when Richard Shelby called himself a Democrat. He voted to confirm Clarence Thomas, even though I called and wrote him not to. He didn't listen to me. Well, I was a Yankee lost in the deep south and I didn't know that Shelby really wasn't a Democrat until that moment. You learn fast down there, huh? Well, I live in a horribly gawdy deep red state just like you, so I'm in the same boat. I don't feel like I have any representation at all. Doesn't keep me from marching to the polls every two years, though. You go right on and claim Ashley Judd and Elizabeth Warren and heck, Alan Grayson! It's what I do. Welcome to DU!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
114. My sympathies of course
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:22 PM
Mar 2013

...like Jim Hightower down in Texas says,

"The middle of the road is for yellow lines or dead armadillos."

tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
125. She can be my 3rd after Sanders & Warren. In NC I have a blue dog Dem & Burr....
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:12 PM
Mar 2013

a POS ReTHUG. While I'm thrilled to have Kay Hagan (who ousted Elizabeth Dole), in my fantasy world she has a progressive counterpart in the other NC Senate seat.....I've loved Sanders for a long time and Warren is outstanding....I suspect Ashley Judd would be an awesome progressive based on her history.

TheKentuckian

(25,018 posts)
4. The Can't folks, I think would rather deal with a TeaPubliKlan if they can't get a
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:23 PM
Mar 2013

corporate enabling centrist.

The real idea is NO LIBERALS!

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
6. what was so sad
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:25 PM
Mar 2013

I wouldn't have been able to vote for her as I lived in Louisville but you can bet I will try to donate some money to her when she runs.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
16. Ashley Judd is running for Senator. If you live anywhere in Kentucky you CAN vote for her.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:04 PM
Mar 2013

Only congressional seats are voted for specifically by residents of that district.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
31. That's odd
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:52 PM
Mar 2013

because the entire fourteen years I lived in Kentucky I don't remember being able to vote against Mr. Windbag. I always had Jim Bunning on my ballot.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
50. Maybe you only voted in the Bunning years......The elections for Senator are staggered
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:30 PM
Mar 2013

so that both of each state's senate seats aren't contested in the same election.

I'm going to double-check, but I'm sure I was able to vote against that POS Sen Blount (I'm in Missouri.).

I checked and I know that I voted for Missouri SOS Robin Carnahan for Missouri Senator over Roy Blunt. I also know that I voted for Sen Claire McCaskill twice - even tho I think she's on Morning Joe TOO damn much. I think they should pay her as a pundit on that show.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
57. I remember in every election since 1998
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:49 PM
Mar 2013

that I never saw Yertil the Turtle on my ballot. If memory serves, they go by District. I lived in Louisville so Jim Bunning was my idiot Senator for many years and then in 2010, that knuckle head Rand Paul ran and we tried so hard to beat him but not many of us came out and that's how Rand got in.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
68. Then you didn't look hard enough
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 10:15 PM
Mar 2013

If you have been involved in politics since 1998 and still don't know that all US Senate races are statewide with two Senators in each state, then something is clearly wrong.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
69. I got some crow to eat
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 10:26 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:33 AM - Edit history (1)

Looks like McConnel was our Senator after all. Paul got in because Northern Kentucky is very conservative. My bad.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
99. You're putting someone on ignore for being correct?
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:41 AM
Mar 2013

I live in Tennessee... not that much different of a state... and I have luxury of voting against Alexander AND Corker once every six years, staggered.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
102. Are you sure you've been voting every two years, not only in Presidential elections?
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:14 AM
Mar 2013

BTW, the poster you put on ignore is correct.

waddirum

(979 posts)
90. "If memory serves, they go by District."
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:59 AM
Mar 2013

The U.S. Senate is a statewide position. Senator McConnell would have had to run every 6 years on every ballot in the state.

Only the U.S. House of Representatives is broken down by Congressional District.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
96. I just asked my old roommate
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:53 AM
Mar 2013

I knew I was right. In Louisville you only vote for the other Senator, you don't vote for both of them. Kentucky is weird like that don't sit there and tell me I voted for someone that I don't. If we did, I would vote against him. Getting tired of know it smart mouths who think they know how things work over someone who actually lived in that state.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
103. You and your old roommate may be thinking of state senator.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:17 AM
Mar 2013

Voting for state senator goes by district in Kentucky.

I urge you to call your Secretary of State's office or even city hall and get the correct information.

Tanuki

(14,913 posts)
111. Bunning was a U.S. congressman from 1987-99, before he was a U.S. senator.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:06 AM
Mar 2013

Only people in his district,and not elsewhere in Kentucky, would have been able to vote for him in his congressional elections. This is different from his U.S. senatorial race, which was statewide. This is not specific to Kentucky. It is the same in every state. If you don't believe me (or the rest of the posters who have given you truthful and accurate information, and whom you have dismissed as smart mouths who don't know what they are talking about,), look it up in the U.S. constitution.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
112. Yep
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:36 AM
Mar 2013

I guess I hated McConnel so much I didn't want to admit that he was my Senator. But the local Democratic Office of Kentucky confirmed that. But I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
7. Guilty as charged...
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:27 PM
Mar 2013

I was an Edwards supporter...doh! and remember a conversation with a good friend in early 07' about (now) President Obama. We both agreed we liked his agenda and his political skills, but I was adamant that America would not elect a black man at this point in history. When Edwards (thankfully) bailed I called the local Obama office to volunteer. I arrived for my first phone banking shift and the guy in charge asked me why I was there, I talked about my two young children and their future, and that I was old enough remember a time when corporations didn't control every aspect of our lives, when A man could get a decent job and pay the bills and raise a family on one income. He tore up the phone script right there and told me to just speak from the heart to the voters I would be calling..... I was FLOORED that this guy I'd never met was gonna "put the campaign in my hands". I knew right then and there they were playing a different game than others I'd worked on, and within a few weeks I had no doubt we could win. I'm not exaggerating when I say that campaign restored my faith in the possibilities and potential for making this once great nation a place for everybody, not just the wealthy. YES WE CAN!

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
9. And I thought it was poll numbers...
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:27 PM
Mar 2013

She's down 3 to 9 percent... and anti-coal, pro-abortion and pro-Obamacare just may sink her in a decidedly red state (whoich voted for, of all fucktards, Rand Paul) against an entrenched incumbent.

Still, she might surprise us.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
48. The last I heard...
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:25 PM
Mar 2013

...she was up to 44% and that was a couple months ago when she was still denying that she was running, or not admitting to it yet... When was the last time you ever heard Mitch mention Kentucky in the Senate? The Democratic Party has been asleep in Kentucky, but I think Ashley is going to wake them up. Don't count her out yet...

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
67. reality check
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 10:08 PM
Mar 2013

She is not anti-coal. No one that understands the number of jobs coal provides in Kentucky and who is feeling towards others is anti-coal for Kentucky. She is for the people and the environment which will make her position one of common sense relating to the coal industry, probably opposition to various types of extremely destructive types of mining.
She is not pro-abortion. She like the vast majority of pro-choice people regret any abortions and support policies that make them less necessary.
She may be pro Obama Care. As this program will continue to grow in this poor state, and affect more people in a positive manner this may be seen as a good thing by voters.
In addition Mitch McConnell is not pro choice, not pro Social Security , Not pro medicare, not pro-medicaid, not pro-education, not pro-veteran, not pro-union. In fact almost everything that Kentucky's citizens come to benefit from, Mitch McConnell is against.
However if we continue to use the negative used in your email and highly favored by the GOP, we give them a head start in gaining and keeping the support of the voters. It is being against the most destructive mining practices such as mountain top removal, which by the way requires the fewest people. It is being pro choice and pro family supporting an increase in the minimum wage for example so that mothers and fathers can raise their children in a healthy manner. It is being for affordable health care for all so badly needed in Kentucky. It is being for the earned benefits social security and medicare provide. It is being for medicaid a vital need for so many poor in Kentucky.
Yep she might win. As long as we do not cede the battle before it begins, by letting them dumb down the discourse.

I sincerely apologize for criticizing your word choice but the words we choose affect understanding and acceptance. I also want to say I think the opinion you expessed is correct and thank you for expressing it.

TheKentuckian

(25,018 posts)
78. Jack was and is the AG. Paul took Dumbings seat and beat out establishment SoS to do so.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:32 PM
Mar 2013

Dumbing retired and sucked so bad that Randroid is probably an upgrade at least as a constituent, not politically and certainly not ethically but basic professional interaction even if it is crap, lies, or even pushing snark.

Paul's office at least responds, probably just putting the best foot forward for re-election but it is better than the nothing I'm accustomed to. McTurtle's office hasn't bothered with a response to me in 20 years or more. Sometimes you get to talk to some dismissive asshole that conjures the image of some foul mix of the Wicked Witch of the West and Lilith from Cheers and Frazier with too much time spent in a tanning booth rushing you off the phone.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
10. The Establishment Party Bosses
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:30 PM
Mar 2013

are already sending out communications that not only will the party will NOT support her, neither will the Obama Administration. They're already starting the "unelectable" meme. All that comes down to is that she is not the party's Anointed One. 'Course the party hasn't been able to come up with an puppet, er, Anointed One yet for Kentucky but they're working hard on it.

Let's posit an idea. Let's say that there's a primary of several candidates within the Democratic Party. And let's say the voters got to decide who the candidate will be WITHOUT the party's interference. Wouldn't that be a nice way to determine the nominee? We should try that sometime.

By the way, the last time the party shoved off on us an "electable" candidate he managed to lose to the worst. president. ever.

paleotn

(17,876 posts)
17. She's as electable....
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:06 PM
Mar 2013

as any Democrat in Kenyucky. Why can't we just give her the resources necessary to win and see what happens. Beats the heck out some bland, republican-lite, blue dog.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
33. Ask the Democratic party.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:54 PM
Mar 2013

They seem to be the "experts" on who's electable. They're already saying they'll starve her of resources and yes, they WILL be trying to find some bland, Republican-lite blue dog because, well, they're "electable."

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
52. I always have trouble with "theys"...
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:32 PM
Mar 2013

.... who are these "expert" Democrats who are saying these things. Does the GD DLC reach all the way down to Senatorial races? You're surely not talking about KKKarl are you? or one of his blue dog henchmen? Respectfully, of course...

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
55. The Party Bosses.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:36 PM
Mar 2013

The ones who make the decisions as to who is an acceptable, or, "electable" candidate and who isn't. Whose candidacy they will starve and whose they will support. The same geniuses who, every 4 years, engage in their usual 6-state strategy and ignore the rest of the country. I've been out of the Democratic Party for 9 years now so I don't know who holds those positions anymore.

Telly Savalas

(9,841 posts)
70. The folks who show up and vote at the Democratic primaries are the ones who make these decisions
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 10:28 PM
Mar 2013

of which the Party Bosses comprise a very tiny minority.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
84. With all due respect
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:10 AM
Mar 2013

that's a naive opinion and completely ignorant of how the power structure works. The primaries are Kabuki theater. There are 2-3 party-approved candidates and the power brokers really don't care which one wins. In 2008 it was Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. They were essentially the same candidate. The others were allowed in to give the appearance of choice but they were given no support. The only question in 2008 was which corporate-friendly lackey would "win." The vast majority of the country never had a choice because virtually everyone else was out by South Carolina -- many months before the rest of the country got to "show up and vote." As George Carlin said, "We don't have choice, we have the illusion of choice. That's the reality.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
82. Exactly. People said the same thing when Al Franken ran
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:57 PM
Mar 2013

Americans will stand up for a person who demonstrates principles, even if they aren't all the same principles the voter aligns with. It is EASIER for a real progressive to get elected than some spineless, stand-for-nothing Blue Dog.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
47. 1) It's being leaked all over the media,
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:25 PM
Mar 2013

2) I've had first-hand experience with the approval/disapproval list of the Democratic Party Bosses and know EXACTLY how this all works (Ref: see Howard Dean),
3) I've been around politics since 1968 and have danced this dance before.

Time will prove me out.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
54. yeah...there's a lot..
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:35 PM
Mar 2013

'Leaking' all over the media, and has been for some time. Dance away. I'll wait to see how the 'facts' shake out. I've been doing that since 1968.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. Does anyone know how the DSCC distributes campaign funding?
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:35 PM
Mar 2013

Will they recognize that she may need significant funding help to be an incumbent? I would be surprised if they give progressive candidates more funding help than Blue Damn Dogs.

I recommend that those that want to see a new Senator from Kentucky, donate directly to her campaign or via the Progressive Change Campaign Committee.

http://boldprogressives.org/

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. Ashley will FIRST have to win the Democratic Primary,
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:16 PM
Mar 2013

and it is THERE that the DSCC, DNC, Party leadership, and entrenched party Power Brokers will pull out all the stops to prevent a "Liberal" from representing the Democratic Party.

Expect to hear this myth a lot:
[font size=3]"Every pragmatic, sensible Democrat knows that You HAVE to run a Conservative Democrat to win in a Red State."[/font]
The perpetuation of the above LIE has done MORE to corrupt the Democratic Party over the last 30 years than any other.

A good Populist Democrat (a la Huey Long) running on the Traditional Economic Values of FDR/JBJ , with Party Support can WIN in any state.

We tried to replace Blue Dog Anti-Labor Blanche Lincoln in the Arkansas Primary 2010.
Guess WHO was our WORST enemy.

"So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln. Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure. Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests. The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln — a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just don’t have the votes for.

<snip>

What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse we’ve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesn’t have 60 votes to pass good legislation, it’s not Obama’s fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face. Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you don’t support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but we’ll support a primary challenger against you. Obama’s support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"

<much more>

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/


We can be hopeful that she might survive the Democratic Primary,
and the entrenched conservative Power Structure that runs the Party there.
She WILL be an outsider, but with HUGE Name Recognition. If the early polls are overwhelming, the Big Business Friendly, Conservative Party Establishment will likely Let-this-one-Through,
and focus their efforts in other more rewarding areas.

I will be supporting her.
Good Looks, Popularity, Hollywood Idol Worship, and Name Recognition DOES WIN ELECTIONS,
a sad fact of life, but a fact none the less.
We SHOULD take advantage of this at every opportunity.

George Clooney or Tim Robbins for PRESIDENT!!!
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
27. I agree. And who was our worst enemy when we tried to kick Lieberman's ass out of Conn?
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:22 PM
Mar 2013

Joe by the way just took a job with the American Enterprise Institute. Asshole.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
36. "They" NEEDED Joe Lieberman.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:57 PM
Mar 2013

Somebody had to play Judas in the Kabuki Theater.
Joe had nothing to lose at that point,
so he Took One for Team DLC in exchange for Party support and no real consequences for his treason.
He played his roll well, and was richly rewarded.

"It was ALL Joe Lieberman's fault.
He was a BIG Super Man Bully who wrecked Health Care for all of us.
It was HORRIBLE.
There was NOTHING The Democrats could Dooooooo."

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
104. Judd might benefit from a revenge factor.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:24 AM
Mar 2013

For a long time there was an unspoken agreement between the parties that they wouldn't go after each other's Senate leader. Then the Republicans saw a chance to oust Tom Daschle. They broke with precedent and put major resources into the campaign, and succeeded in defeating him.

Ideology aside, I'll bet there are some DSCC people who are still bitter about that race. If polls show that McConnell's challenger has a decent chance of winning, there could be a feeling of "It's payback time."

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
108. I hope so. But two things. Democrats havent shown me that they "payback".
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:54 AM
Mar 2013

And as far as I am concerned, Daschle cut his own throat with his bowing and groveling at Bush, the DimSon's, feet in the Iraq War buildup.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
123. I can't speak for the DSCC
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:16 PM
Mar 2013

But I did a training with the DCCC last year and there's certain benchmarks that the candidates have to meet for their race to be considered by them. There's fundraising, competitiveness of the district (ie how close was the last election, is it winnable or a gerrymandered GOP district), etc.

And the DSCC did put money into Kentucky in 2010. They actually sent me there to work on that senate race. I've got mixed feelings on whether Judd is the right candidate for that seat or not.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
128. I agree
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:15 PM
Mar 2013

However, having worked in Kentucky, I have very mixed feelings. I think that Conway could have taken out McConnell in 2008 but 2010 was just not the year (also he was running against the tea party godfather's son).

Whatever whoever ends up running for the seat does, do not EVER EVER EVER EVER release another ad that remotely seems like you are attacking your opponent's religion. No more Aqua Buddha ads.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
14. That's quite a mixed bag you've chosen there.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:57 PM
Mar 2013

If you remember only ten years back or so, Clinton was basically ordained Senator as soon as she even indicated an interest in running.

rivegauche

(601 posts)
19. Qualified fistbump from me.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:10 PM
Mar 2013

I'm 100% for progressives in office, and the dying of the republicant party, but is Judd even remotely qualified? A US Senator isn't a lightweight gig. I would want someone whip-mart, well educated and experienced in that job. Hillary won in NY because she had all those qualities.

Telly Savalas

(9,841 posts)
71. The US Senate is a fucking joke
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 10:33 PM
Mar 2013

Most of the people in it are total idiots, so it's not really fair to hold Judd to a higher standard.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
53. Are you kidding?
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:33 PM
Mar 2013

Ashley, on stage all over small town Kentucky,
singing Kentucky BlueGrass/Country with Wynonna and Naomi Judd,
asking those who don't vote to Come Out and Make a Change for small towns and families in Kentucky?
Can't WIN?

YOU don't know America,
OR American Idol.

blueknight

(2,831 posts)
60. no he isnt kidding
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 09:26 PM
Mar 2013

I live here, have all my life. i will vote and donate to her cause,but sadly, she cant win here

waddirum

(979 posts)
91. the entire country LOVES Hollywood
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:09 AM
Mar 2013

They consume movies, music, concerts, and TV programming by the bucketful. Most of us gorge every day of our lives on the entertainment product coming from Hollywood.

The "liberal hollywood feminist" shtick only works with a subset of cranky old farts. Everyone else (meaning women and young folk) will wait in line for hours to get a piece of that Hollywood action. Imagine if George Clooney and other friends also pay a visit to the campaign trail throughout KY.

Carnage251

(562 posts)
105. The south/republicans don't care too much about Hollywood
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:27 AM
Mar 2013

They have their own stars like Eastwood, Selleck, Norris, and Nugent. They watch crap like religious movies, listen to right-wing country, and watch shitty mind numbing tv (Duck Dynasty, Pawn Stars, Fox News, etc.)

The "liberal hollywood feminist" shtick will work with the Kentucky rank and file.

Please excuse me for living in the real world.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
100. Lived in KY since 1977
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:49 AM
Mar 2013

Carnage has it right, sure, there can be an upset, but if she was a derby horse she would be about 50-1 odds.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
118. I did forget, but thankfully you didn't, RoccoRyg.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:30 PM
Mar 2013

Senator Franken is one of our best. Thanks for the reminder. Yes, he's another one they said could never get elected. I will always treasure how he destroyed Bill O'Reilly here at the LA Book Festival on PBS live. What a moment.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
25. In a situation like this it is really, really simple for me.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:17 PM
Mar 2013

Could this celebrity, or anybody for that matter possibly do worse or raise less money that whatever loyalist meat bag might otherwise be enlisted to sit on the ticket?

eggplant

(3,907 posts)
29. When the time comes, I'll be happy to hurl some money at her from up here in NY. n/t
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:46 PM
Mar 2013

Whether she can or she can't, she's got my support. It's that simple.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
35. Yeah, and all those
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:57 PM
Mar 2013

people with more political experience in their pinky than she does have done SUCH a bang-up job, haven't they? (What day of the sequester are we on, anyway?)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
49. Unfortunately, the price for "Political Experience" is Political Indebtedness.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:27 PM
Mar 2013

Somebody who can WIN on their own without the "deals" so many have to make to garner Party Support in the Primaries is PRICELESS.

waddirum

(979 posts)
92. Al Franken never served in office prior to winning his election
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:16 AM
Mar 2013

This past election was Elizabeth Warrens first election (although she did serve an appointed position under President Obama).

BeyondGeography

(39,339 posts)
98. Anyone who compares her to Warren needs to have their head examined
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:39 AM
Mar 2013

Warren was a first-rate academic with government experience who was giving public lectures on economics that millions of people were watching on the Internet.

Franken was less accomplished but he too was in the public arena, jousting with the Right on air, giving speeches around the country and publishing books.

I don't rule out Judd completely, but the comparisons in the OP are akin to clapping for Tinkerbelle.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
34. A lot of it will depend on
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:54 PM
Mar 2013

turnout and the Democratic campaign helping her to register new voters. Kentucky had a sixty percent turnout, so you got 40 percent to get excited about going out to vote. Getting rid of McConnell just might motivate them.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
37. love the post and love the spirit, however
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:03 PM
Mar 2013

Jerry Brown's father was a two term Governor, Jerry Brown served as a Governor and to build a credible come back he served as mayor of Oakland and Attorney General.

Then there is the whole 'blue' state thing.

I would have used other examples like


Frank Church of Idaho

or

Fullbright from Arkansas

and so on.

In any case we should continue to fight every race for two reasons:

It spreads their resources thinner

and

You never know when there will be a 'Macacca' statement by one of these idiots that will take them out of the race.


So I salute your post.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
40. I'm glad you posted this.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:09 PM
Mar 2013

This morning I read an article on New Republic that was offering the contrary statement. Initially I walked away from my desk in irritation and thought "here we go with that garbage".

Like Governor Patrick at the 2012 convention, democrats need to grow a backbone and fight back!

Great post, I'm in!

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
46. Ventura, Schwarzenegger, St Ronald of Reagan,
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:24 PM
Mar 2013

Give the people of Kentucky a shot. Lord knows cash will be pouring in from all corners to unseat Chinless McTurtle.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
61. McConnell has tons of cash too. And more will come in for him.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 09:31 PM
Mar 2013

He'll call in every favor he's ever been owed and then some before he'll lose to Judd. He won't go down easily.

And yes, I'm FROM KENTUCKY.

Bake

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
79. Sure. It's about how the doomsayers have a track record of being wrong....
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:36 PM
Mar 2013

Still doesn't change that most of the time they're guys.

Women aren't the ones out there saying someone is "too liberal".

Maybe because they don't have this macho problem of thinking "liberal" = "weak".

Look at the popularity of Oprah in the Heartland. The GUYS can't stand her but their wives are tuned in.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
56. Ashley Judd will have to run.......
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:43 PM
Mar 2013

in the primary AND in the general as a left populist. She'll have a chance then because she might be able to peel away a few percent of the working class white vote. Otherwise, NO Democrat will win in Kentucky. If you run a Blue Dog, aka Republican Lite, they'll get creamed by McConnell. In these deep red states, you need to offer something different. As a poster above said, she'll have to channel her inner Huey Long. Otherwise, God, gunz, and gays will be what the election will be about and she'll lose on those issues.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
62. I agree with everything you said until your last sentence.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 09:32 PM
Mar 2013

I'm a Democrat who lives in Kentucky. I don't know if Kentucky is "ready." We will see. McConnell won't go down easily.

And I live here. In the liberal bastion of the state, Louisville.

Bake

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
63. She will have to explain some of her past comments
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 09:35 PM
Mar 2013

After reading some of them, I think the turtle will smash her if she can't explain them away. It's a shame she wasn't more cautious with her views, I think she'd be a terrific pickup for us in such a red state.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
66. K&R
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 09:54 PM
Mar 2013

..There you go... That's what I like to hear! Spirit of the People of Kentucky, determination. Never say never. Eff the Bluedog party bosses, the coal companies, the fundamentalists, and Mitch McConnell. Mitch doesn't give a shit about the 99% in Kentucky. When was the last time you ever heard him mention Kentucky in the well of the Senate? Can't think of a time? I can't either. You don't know the "Big Blue Nation" in Kentucky, hell, all over the country and the world for that matter! It's time for a choice in Kentucky. Not the same old milk-toast Mitch McConnell standing in front of a crowd boasting about himself, and demonizing anyone who doesn't agree with him. I have heard it all, over and over again. I hope Ashley does come home to Kentucky and runs like the dickens to defeat Mitch McConnell in 2014. She has much more of a following there than Mitch ever had!

The Wizard

(12,532 posts)
72. Hell, Kentucky elected
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 10:38 PM
Mar 2013

Jim Bunning who was mentally challenged, a self loathing mean spirited vile man who wants to be a woman, and Kim Jong Paul. It's hard for normal people to get elected in Kentucky.

NBachers

(17,080 posts)
73. Ashley Judd or My Name's Mudd!
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:05 PM
Mar 2013

Think that'll fly?

I just donated to Robin Kelly, who's running in the special election for Jesse Jackson Jr.'s seat:

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/entity/33266?refcode=directory

Elizabeth Warren was my biggest target in 2012. I was in Massachusetts in September of '12, and people were saying, "I support her, but I'm afraid she's not going to make it."

Well, we made it happen.

And we can do the same thing for Ashley Judd.

brooklynite

(94,299 posts)
76. Who said that about...
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:24 PM
Mar 2013

...any of the people you mention?

And, has it occurred to you that, with the exception of Texas (which has changed in the past 20 years) none of those States were deep red.

Not saying that she can't win or shouldn't run; just that she needs to show me how before asking me for support.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
77. How many movie stars have failed to win?
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:25 PM
Mar 2013

Anyone who discounts the razzle dazzle of international fame is foolish. Instant name recognition means VOTES.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
101. Fred Thompson.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:52 AM
Mar 2013

Fred Thompson... for one glaringly obvious example. Not merely ran, but also won.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
115. Ben Jones (Cooter from "Dukes of Hazard") won congressional seat in Georgia...
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:33 PM
Mar 2013

... as a Democrat!

So... It has been done before and by a Democrat too.

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
80. I've given her support
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 11:38 PM
Mar 2013

Live this morning, on Huff Post Live. Howard Fineman was on supporting her in his insider way. I think she'll beat the pants off the corrupt old fart in there right now. Love her, she's gorgeous too. A free spirit like me.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
85. This is the whole point of Dean's 50 State Strategy.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:17 AM
Mar 2013

You're not just using resources on "winnable races". You're also spending on the "unwinnable races" to expand the Democratic Party, build in areas that have not yet been sold on the Democratic platform. Your campaign spending this year on a "losing" race can pay off bigtime in two or four years or more as more people learn about what Democrats and progressivism is all about.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
119. Yes. Howard Dean took back the Congress in a mid-term when Bush was riding high.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:31 PM
Mar 2013

Thank you for remembering my beloved Howard Dean.

 

FreeBC

(403 posts)
87. I don't care if she can win. The people of Kentucky deserve a decent candidate
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:24 AM
Mar 2013

Let the people of Kentucky hear a real debate with real progressive ideals rather than a DINO running away from the democratic platform to meet a tea party lunatic halfway somewhere on the right.

The last thing we need is another blue dog anyway.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
89. Amen!!
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:16 AM
Mar 2013

Ashley will smoke it, should she decide to run. So hope she does. She can win it, hands down!
Intelligent, beautiful, compassionate and passionate about all that matters to us all.
Go Ms. Ashley!!

lexington filly

(239 posts)
94. I'll volunteer for her campaign
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:32 AM
Mar 2013

here in Lexington because we need a female in general and her in particular.
Senate races are state-wide representation so you can vote for any Senate candidate in a general November election. There are restrictions depending on whether you're registered as a Dem or Repub in a primary though. Hope this clarifies.

LiberalFighter

(50,765 posts)
106. Or Donnelly of Indiana could never beat Senator Lugar.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:46 AM
Mar 2013

Or at least they thought Lugar would be the one that Donnelly would have to beat.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
116. And one wonders still if John Cougar Mellencamp might have won in previous Indiana election...
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:38 PM
Mar 2013

... for the Senate when he was rumored to try to get a last minute placement on the ballot, but was not allowed a chance to be in a Democratic primary when DLCer Evan Bayh timed his retirement so that the party (who were also DLCers at the time) had to select a replacement for him on the ballot instead of opening it up to the Indiana voter who might have picked Mellencamp then. The party wisdom in who they picked to run was surely forgettable now wasn't it? Maybe this time around, they'll let a more popular choice be a candidate.

madville

(7,403 posts)
109. I think her main liability will be
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:59 AM
Mar 2013

Her vocal support of President Obama at campaign events and fundraisers. He is not very popular in that state (lost to Romney by about 20 points) so I would think this will be the first line of attack in the general election and primary.

There is really no distancing from it so they might have to just ignore those attacks, I'm not sure how they could counter in an effective way.

Of course McConnell's unpopularity is the wild card, they must exploit that.

In the end it will all be about turn out of course, midterms will get the left and right bases out, I wonder if the governor is also up in 2014?



 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
110. Don't really agree with your examples at all
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:02 AM
Mar 2013

A lot of these people were actually heavy favorites. Who really thought that Rick Lazio was going to beat Hillary Clinton? And Elizabeth Warren wasn't the aberration . . . Scott Brown was. His victory was a lot more surprising than hers.

And Obama? The man was presented as presidential material on day one. The Dems don't just give prime time convention slots to anybody. They give them to people they think can win in the future.

As was already mentioned, none of these people were new to politics either. It's a stretch to compare any of them the Ashley Judd.

I don't think it's impossible for her to win, but a Democratic celebrity unseating a powerful incumbent in Kentucky? That's going to be an uphill battle.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
117. I have to admit I don't recall ANYONE saying Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:42 PM
Mar 2013

couldn't be elected Senator.

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