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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs it mutually exclusive to be both pro-gun rights and a Democrat?
Because it sure seems so on DU.
I know MANY fine Democrats who happen to also be gun owners, and pro-gun rights. That doesn't mean they aren't in favor of some increased control, they just do not agree with the ALL GUNS ARE EVIL refrain.
So, can you be both an otherwise very liberal Democrat, and also be pro-gun rights?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)If someone had a room full of hammers or belt sanders, and talked endlessly of the merits and failings of every little feature of them, I'd think he was crazy. If he fell into an apoplectic, hate-filled raving rage if a variety of belt sander was deemed dangerous and taken off the market, I'd regard him as dangerous and crazy. If he maintained that his mass hammer ownership made him a more patriotic person, of stronger ethical fiber, who was protecting other peoples' rights, then I'd think he might need an extra helping of lithium.
But trade hammers and belt sanders for firearms, and suddenly he's supposed to be a normal and accepted member of society who we should respect and cherish and regard as having a more valid opinion than others.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)That anyone who owns a belt sander is a homophobic sexist accessory to murder, and that all belt sanders should be removed from public hands ASAP, regardless of how responsibly the vast majority of belt sander owners use them. that's just a tad crazy too, and far more common here than your strawman that gun owners are accepted as higher-level citizens.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)dmallind
(10,437 posts)As consistent polls of approval for Obama here and among Democrats in general show.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)be specific.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)Question 1. Do you agree that anyone who owns something is by defintion for the right to own it?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Why no, I don't.
frylock
(34,825 posts)sure, there are a handful. but the more common argument seems to be if you want to regulate some belt sanders, than that means you want to ban all belt sanders. that kind of black/white thinking seems to be predominant among the pro-belt sander movement.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)*runs away, dodging thrown objects*
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)To continue the analogy:
Here, we do have a large group that wants to take away all his woodworking tools. So under those conditions it is entirely understandable that he would oppose such laws and would join organizations dedicated to the preservation of his right to have woodworking tools.
Because there are so many who really are trying to completely outlaw guns, it is natural that we would push back.
Coyote_Tan
(194 posts)I support all of the Constitution...
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)oh wait...
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)We've learned to regard the term as a sort of dog whistle. If you want to break us of that habit, show us where we've gone astray.
frylock
(34,825 posts)fucking nonsense.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Paladin
(28,283 posts)No, I don't think so.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I guess you haven't been paying much attention, or you would know that.
Did you perhaps just post this to stir up shit?
dmallind
(10,437 posts)Did you post saying THAT was stirring up shit? Why not?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I'm good and fast at reading, but I'm nowhere nearly that good.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,227 posts)I know you just love to do that. Probably out of a sense of inadequacy. Or maybe a mother issue?
I love to make strawman arguments? What are you talking about?
get the red out
(13,468 posts)If we can't allow debate we have no right to talk about tolerance IMO.
Samjm
(320 posts)Yes! That's my point. When any pro-gun post gets shot down it does not lead to rational discussion.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Blue4Texas
(437 posts)And not like guns personally
yellowcanine
(35,704 posts)kind of talk. It is provocative and a red herring.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:59 PM - Edit history (1)
If your political focus and obsession is the 2A, you most likely have a rightwing perspective on many issues.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Samjm
(320 posts)Because I couldn't handle reading the gun hating vitriol.
I'm not trying to stir up shit, it was an honest question. It seems like anytime anyone posts anything even slightly pro-gun they're shot down in flames, branded a schill for the NRA and not a "true" liberal. If we're going to accept that many liberals are gun owners too, then we need to be actively engaging these people in the discussion. Not shouting them down. They are the very people who should be leading the discussion. We can not be seen as the anti-gun party if we want to retain the gains we've made politically.
frylock
(34,825 posts)do believe that you need an AR-15 with a 30 rd mag for home protection? that's not pro-gun, that's fucking stupid.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)i am a gun owner (though I haven't shot one in years since I stopped skeet shooting when my father died). i believe in universal background checks and bans on high capacity magazines and other sensible gun control measures. I also believe in a 2nd Amend. right to keep guns for self-defense, hunting, etc.
Am I "pro-gun'?
frylock
(34,825 posts)i'm a gun owner and I too believe in common-sense gun laws such as those you've outlined. to some people, any restrictions on mag capacity or wanting universal background checks makes you a gun grabber.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)this place is extremely polarized on that issue.
Ohio Joe
(21,776 posts)Do you want to gun down anyone that scares you?
Just like the vast majority of people.
Ohio Joe
(21,776 posts)Please explain.
derby378
(30,252 posts)I also chair a state Democratic gun owners caucus and used to run a small pro-RKBA Democratic website.
I'm not quite as active on the RKBA front as I used to be, but if you ask many DUers who support gun control, they'll probably tell you that I'm still waaaaaay too pro-RKBA for their tastes.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Since most Democrats are pro 2A, I think the answer is "obviously no."
Paladin
(28,283 posts)There are plenty of Democratic gun owners, such as myself. To be a full-fledged gun activist involves drinking a lot more of the LaPierre/Nugent/Palin/Stockman/Coulter/Cheney kool-aid. Daily proof of this is available in the DU Gun Control/RKBA group, or, for that matter, on this thread.....
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Because guns have gotten completely out of control in this country.
And because repukes LOVE guns.
frylock
(34,825 posts)and yes, I think you can be a liberal gun owner and be for common-sense gun laws.
petronius
(26,611 posts)Not every 'reasonable pro-RKBA DUer' is a 'frothing gun nut', and not every 'reasonable pro-more-gun-control' DUer is in the "guns are evil grab them all!" camp...
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Go to the gun forum and attack Republicans. You'll get some backlash.
Trust me.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)But it sure is fun!
Invariably you'll get some death threats too!
guardian
(2,282 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)Who cares?
They cannot explain how transition power from the many to the few is liberal or why so many on the other side of this are so cool with free speech zones, warrant-less wiretaps, shitting on habeas corpus, trial by hellfire missile, and any other violation of our individual rights. I'm surprised they aren't trying to cut corners on military housing and make the troops bunk with us.
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)Don't be surprised to find someone in the tent who thinks you're wrong.
madinmaryland
(64,934 posts)banning.
Cha
(297,981 posts)not going to be taken away from you.
This is about sensible gun laws including background checks.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)Those of us who loathe and abhor guns do so powerlessly as long as the NRA sucks Congress' willing dick.