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[Recursion]

1. They treat their workers well, as far as that goes

And make a good product. I'm an In-N-Out fan. Not all Christians are conservatives, or assholes.

[flamingdem]

15. There is a great Huell Houser PBS program on this

The employees seem to love it

[DainBramaged]

19. Why then cater to Christrians and no one else?

Chick-Fil-a of the West coast.

[Recursion]

21. Sorry, we're talking about "In-N-Out Burgers". You seem to be bringing up a chain...

... that caters only to Christians. Which restaurant are you talking about, and why are you bringing it up in a thread about In-N-Out burgers?

[DainBramaged]

28. nd discreet biblical citations on its cups and food wrappers,

I guess that's referring to the chemical makeup of tar?

[FrodosPet]

57. Are they a government agency?

Since the answer is no, they have the right to put them there. And anyone offended by them is under no legal obligation to purchase or eat their food.

[MineralMan]

22. I don't think they do. I've never been asked my

religion before buying a burger there. They sell burgers to all comers.

[Dreamer Tatum]

48. Dumb post of the day nt

[DainBramaged]

53. Right, dumb poster of the day

they cater to Christians, why the fuck do you think they put bible verses on their paper?


Holy shit, I guess I tweaked a nerve...

[lunasun]

2. I never noticed the biblical citations on its cups and food wrappers must be very discreet or

I was not looking .......I do not eat greasy crap but have kids who hunger for it when out west .
Mostly for the old drive in logos
I know you get a different package whether eating in or out or to go, that is about it
I did not know that.........Thanks ....maybe somewhere else next trip.. so I do not ..

[Hekate]

50. They are a great employer, actually

see my post #43

[A HERETIC I AM]

52. They amount to tiny little " J 3:16" type notations....

On either the bottom or the inside lip of the bottom of their drink cups.

They are VERY discreet.

In-n-Out, unlike Chik-Fil-A, is open on Subdy

[Journeyman]

3. Why do you refer to her as a "hypocrite of God's little corporations"?. . .

There's nothing in the article to justify such defamation.

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. Don't you know that a person's virtue is inversely proportional to their economic status?

[DainBramaged]

17. Married thrice, nice little Christian sayings on the paper products to cater to the Christians

One, I am once married, two, why not verses from the Koran or the Old Testament? Why no Buddha? Heck, why no reference to the devil?


Of course I'm just a bad guy for pointing out the hypocrisy...

[RandiFan1290]

18. Oh the irony!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022301036

[RandiFan1290]

29. lol u mad?

[MineralMan]

40. Stalker? Really?

[zappaman]

32. Maybe because they choose not to use a Buddha or a verse from the Koran?

And I still couldn't care less if they did.
I think it's a great success story and, although I am a atheist, I don't hate anyone or there success based upon their religion.
Great burgers and they treat their employees well.
That's all that matters to me!

[Journeyman]

34. And yet, she may have no say today in that aspect of the business. . .

She does, after all, only control 50%, and it was a policy implemented by her predecessor.

And surely you're not one of those who believes a woman should "stay hitched" to an abusive husband, or remain in a loveless marriage simply for the formality of it all. Surely you're not one of those judgmental individuals whose personal code of conduct ("married only once!&quot provides you the rationale to dictate the behavior of others.

[DainBramaged]

37. Whatever, I for one will never patronize them

you and I BOTH know who they cater to. And it sucks that they can.

[Recursion]

44. Have you ever *been* to one? It's the most popular burger chain on the west coast

Seriously, you're attacking a good business, and it's kind of embarrassing.

[DainBramaged]

45. I find it odd how strongly you defend them.......

But that's your choice. 'ave a nice day.

[Sheldon Cooper]

46. It sucks that they can cater to.... who?

If they want to cater to only christians or whatever, why does that suck? Let them cater to whomever they want, you're free to go there or not go there. What the fuck, I'm not christian, never been to In and Out in my life, and I don't care who they sell their damn burgers to.

[leftyohiolib]

4. i didnt know she was lost

[Recursion]

6. "The company's business practices have been noted for employee-centered personnel policies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-N-Out_Burger

Funny the assumptions we make

[Lucinda]

7. I grew up with In-N-Out. Awesome burgers.

We didn't have them often, but they rocked. Most of those I know who have left California remember them fondly.

[Warren DeMontague]

8. It's been about 15 years since I had a beef burger. That said, if I was going to get one tomorrow

I'd be hard pressed to find a tastier burger than In-n-Out.

They're good, as far as burgers go. And I'm about as far from a religious fundy as one can get.

[Hekate]

43. They are excellent burgers, though I seldom go there

As long as they continue doing what they have always done, whatever that is, the product will be miles above the big chains.

My ex-husband introduced me to In-N-Out in college in the 1960s -- he remained a big fan until health problems unrelated to beef stopped him, but back then he positively lusted for those burgers so much that a mutual friend called him Wimpy, after the Popeye character. When our kids were very young he would take them way out of town to find the nearest In-N-Out on his weekends with them.

As to some of the other comments here, they've always been a good employer and the born-again son who put the Bible verses on the wrappers expanded on it:
Rich also established an expansive set of benefits, including 401(k) plans, paid vacation for part-timers, and health, dental, and vision plans for full-time workers. ....To this day, the corporate culture inspired by Harry and Esther and carved in stone by Rich stands in stark contrast to rivals' systems of low-paid burger flippers and cashiers who don their disposable hats for what society has deemed McJobs. And it never drove up prices or pushed down quality.
http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2009-04-08/in-n-out-burger-professionalizing-fast-food

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. One of the few things I miss about L.A. is In-N-Out burgers.

[Johonny]

11. It's odd the most overrated thing about LA is in-Nout burgers

When I came I was told I had, I mean HAD to go there and try their burgers. So I went. They were OK. Given their hype though it was a massive so what. I don't get why people like them so much but it is an OK place. Just not cow patty Mecca.

[Mosby]

13. so true

They are totally over-rated.

Five guys and culvers are WAY better.

[sinkingfeeling]

10. I have never heard of In-N-Out.

[FrodosPet]

12. That's a big part of why I come to DU

To learn new stuff. To find new information and opinions other than my own.

[Recursion]

16. Learn their secret menu. I prefer a 3 by 3 animal style.

But it's all good.

[cthulu2016]

14. And your problem with this is?

Nothing in my conception of society requires business owners to not put bible quotes on their hamburger wrappers. They are not the government.

Also, I don't have a categorical objection to owning a bunch of restaurants.

It is good for people to make money. The question is what tax rates they pay on that money.

[MineralMan]

20. I'm a big In-N-Out fan, and I'm an atheist.

They treat their workers well, and most are wearing smiles while they work. Bible verses? Who cares? I've read the entire Bible cover-to-cover half a dozen times and in three translations. I already know those Bible verses.

They make a pretty darned good burger, using fresh ingredients, and toast their buns nicely. Why would I care if the owners are Christians. I'm not eating Christians. I'm eating burgers.

Sadly, there are no In-N-Out burger stores here in Minnesota. More's the pity. I had one when I was recently in California, though, at the In-N-Out Burger near LAX. I even left early so I'd have time for it. Yum!

[Recursion]

24. Has Five Guys made it to MN yet?

They're good too. No shakes, though, because no freezers in the restaurants.

[MineralMan]

35. Not that I know of, but Culver's is here.

Smashburger, too, although I think the only one is in Minneapolis, where I rarely go. I did have a Smashburger basic burger at the Salt Lake City airport, though. It was excellent, but very, very messy to eat. Many napkins and a hand-washing trip to the men's room was required. Still, it was quite good. Whenever I'm in CA or Las Vegas, though, a trip to an In-N-Out burger is a must.

Is it the best burger on the planet? Nah. I make that myself, but it's a damned good burger for fast food purposes. Their fries are good, too. My In-N-Out order is always a double-double with grilled onions and an order of fries. It works for me and fills the hole nicely.

I'm not sure what the religious crap from the OP is about. There is never any indication in the store that they favor Christians, and you have to look to find the Bible verses. I look because I'm curious to see which one's on my container.

[zappaman]

25. I agree with all of this

and I have better things to worry about than a tiny bible inscription that I never see anyway.

Double double animal style no tomato!

[MineralMan]

36. Yah. The OP is much ado about not much at all.

It makes no sense, based on the article, which I read completely. Nothing in there about Christianity, really, except for the Bible verse thing. I've noticed that most of the Bible verses have something to do with food. That's interesting. The last one I visited had a couple of clearly Muslim employees, too.

[bemildred]

26. Best fast burgers around.

Their religion is none of my business as long as they don't make it my business.

[blueclown]

27. Another "job creator".

She inherited her parents' wealth. And has gone on to create thousands of low-paying, low benefit jobs.

[Recursion]

33. In-N-Out is well known for paying significantly higher than most fast food places

They also give paid sick leave and vacation time.

Furthermore, they resist franchising because they don't want quality or labor standards to fall.

Stop assuming things.

[blueclown]

38. Where is your proof that they pay "significantly higher than most fast food place"?

Beyond an In-n-out press release, of course.

[Recursion]

39. You're right. The entire west coast is making this up

They currently hire at $12 / hour in most places in California, and all corporate stores (there are very few franchises) offer sick leave and vacation. Like Five Guys, they consider low turn over and staff loyalty worth paying for.

[blueclown]

42. $12 an hour in California?

You consider that anything other than low-paying?

Wow. Do you work for the In-n-out PR department by chance?

[Recursion]

49. No, I just don't like seeing businesses that *improve* working conditions and pay shat on

by people who get pissy about the simple presence of a bible verse on a wrapper.

[blueclown]

56. My objection to this particular "job creator" is not Bible verses.

In-n-out can do whatever the heck they want with bible verses on a wrapper. What is astonishing to me is that you consider $12 an hour in California anything other than low-paying. Do they offer health-insurance to all their workers? They offer a few sick days a year. Wow. That's an incredible benefit.

This particular employer isn't doing a good deed to their employers. They are simply a smart business, realizing it costs more and is time consuming to re-train workers amid high turnover. But these hourly rates are still extremely low. $12 an hour, for a total of $24000 a year, can buy you what in California?

How many of In-n-out's employees are on Medicaid? How many get governmental assistance?

In-n-out is just another example of a business that is transferring the costs of their employee's welfare to the U.S. taxpayer. And I'm shocked to see some on DU defend this type of indentured servitude.

[Recursion]

60. See post #43. You're wrong. (nt)

[DainBramaged]

41. I thought the same thing....

Here in NJ, the fast food places that were once the domain of teenagers learning their first job have been overrun by people from other lands. And our minimum wage is one of the best in the Nation. We pay better than Kansas because our minimum is higher, so I guess you could assume the same for Burger King, Mickey D's, Taco Bell here...

[RandiFan1290]

55. "overrun by people from other lands"

[patrice]

30. God for sale. nt

[apocalypsehow]

31. I thought this was some kind of vibrator story.

[Egalitarian Thug]

47. In-N-Out is the exception, IMO. While I disagree with their religiosity, they do follow

the rules. They take excellent care of their employees with the highest pay in the industry and benefits. They are very concerned with quality and value and so maintain ownership and control of the entire process and no In-N-Out is more than a days drive away to ensure quality. The beef is never frozen, they use their own potatoes for the fries, they own all of their own equipment and everybody that works in the organization is an employee. They don't outsource or contract and promote from within. On top of all this, the burgers are better and cost less than the competition.

So even though I'm an enthusiastic atheist, when I want a fast food burger, I buy In-N-Out (Animal style, extra onions, no spread).

[MineralMan]

51. Lowest Pay at In-N-Out is $10/hr.

Advancement is from within and exclusively from within.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/In-N-Out-Burger-Hourly-Pay-E14276.htm

Decent benefits, too.

[NCTraveler]

54. Its seems as though your slam on this successful young lady...

has turned into an advertisement for her company. Some things just don't go the way we planned them.

[blueclown]

59. She inherited her daddy's wealth.

I'd describe her more as "lucky" than "successful".

[AtomicKitten]

58. Still struggling to become a vegetarian.

And it's all In-and-Out's fault.