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Elon Musk has backed out of his Pledge (Original Post) angrychair Jul 23 OP
Uh oh. underpants Jul 23 #1
No shit! 2naSalit Jul 23 #6
If you read the entire article linked to this post surfered Jul 23 #60
Exactly - you can tell when Musk and Trump are lying drmeow Jul 23 #65
No convincing needed. CentralMass Jul 23 #67
Loser that he is, Musk knows trump when he sees one...now that VP Harris is in the race. brush Jul 23 #2
I suspect Musk isn't the only bloated billionaire agingdem Jul 23 #34
Nailed it. brush Jul 23 #36
A big K&R... llmart Jul 23 #38
Probably catching on in 'diners' around the country. rubbersole Jul 23 #77
"Cannon is gulping back tears" Dave Bowman Jul 23 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Wednesdays Jul 23 #63
The thought of Canon in tears gives me great schaudenfreude joy. wnylib Jul 23 #80
I'm afraid I can't say the same... soldierant Jul 23 #87
I was thinking of her bitter sadness after debasing herself wnylib Jul 23 #90
I get that - I just want her to be sad without tixic tears which might affect the rest of us. soldierant Jul 24 #94
Love it. They will eat their own before this is over flying_wahini Jul 23 #3
My fondest hope is to see Lindsey Graham's prediction come to pass Pinback Jul 23 #54
Elon. AZ8theist Jul 23 #4
The only cult of personality he's interested in is his own. Ocelot II Jul 23 #5
That is a true story. N/T angrychair Jul 23 #11
Bullseye! (Nt) LostOne4Ever Jul 23 #26
I was just thinking that LearnedHand Jul 23 #29
Ya beat me to it UTUSN Jul 23 #43
Haha I predicted something like this yesterday newdeal2 Jul 23 #7
Ketamine is a hell of a drug. vrguy Jul 23 #8
This is tscf's deathknell! lindysalsagal Jul 23 #9
Well, the oil lobby might come through with that billion he demanded! dchill Jul 23 #37
And transfer the cost to the drivers. Justice matters. Jul 23 #45
Don't count on it. The oil lobby won't invest in a losing candidate who can't give them anything in return. Martin68 Jul 23 #74
I'm DEFINITELY not counting on it. dchill Jul 23 #75
Rich. /nt bucolic_frolic Jul 23 #10
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Let the ketchup hit the wall! Sky Jewels Jul 23 #12
He sees the writing on the wall Tribetime Jul 23 #13
Saw an article early this morning that essentially said, "trump better cash the check quickly, if he even gets one." Silent Type Jul 23 #14
Nonsense. He is his own cult of personality. Solly Mack Jul 23 #15
Wow Johnny2X2X Jul 23 #16
From the Fortune article irisblue Jul 23 #17
+1. Musk is a multi-billionaire because of the government dalton99a Jul 23 #20
Yep. llmart Jul 23 #44
Actually Musk has really good ideas and follows through on them. Hundreds of satellites in orbit, the first successful Martin68 Jul 23 #76
trump repeated that claim at his rally the other day as well. ecstatic Jul 23 #48
If this denial is true Diraven Jul 23 #85
Could Musk just be parsing words here? karynnj Jul 23 #56
That's the way I read it. Renew Deal Jul 23 #70
Using a PAC as a front was the only way he ever COULD give Trump 45 million per month. Iggo Jul 23 #86
Exactly, the question is is Musk saying the PAC won't spend that much money ? karynnj Jul 23 #88
Someone on a news show suggested that musk may have conned ecstatic Jul 24 #91
If true and given what we know of Trump, what does that do to his relaationship karynnj Jul 24 #93
can they get a divorce? MAGAs don't believe in divorce do they? rurallib Jul 23 #18
What a liar. mucholderthandirt Jul 23 #19
Wow. I wonder what happened recently senseandsensibility Jul 23 #21
Too rich! Literally! Damn but moonscape Jul 23 #22
It is entirely likely that Elon knows Kamala from CA stuff Starry Messenger Jul 23 #23
LOL XRubicon Jul 23 #24
Cost of living getting to you Elon? LeftInTX Jul 23 #25
How weird is that Alice Kramden Jul 23 #47
I think there are many reasons for this Kazzy Jul 23 #27
Go fuck a flaming cybertruck you piece of shit Blue Owl Jul 23 #28
Scumbag lying coward hypocrite Bundbuster Jul 23 #30
Trump's loss is our gain..LOL! LeftInTX Jul 23 #33
He is not an honorable man. badhair77 Jul 23 #31
Did the check bounce Elon? LeftInTX Jul 23 #32
Could be to things Thrill Jul 23 #35
I'm shocked. SHOCKED I tell you! GoCubsGo Jul 23 #39
What a clown. nattyice Jul 23 #40
That's not all he doesn't subscribe to DFW Jul 23 #41
WTF larwdem Jul 23 #42
ELMO samaben Jul 23 #46
Et tu, Brute? SomedayKindaLove Jul 23 #49
That government-subsidies fat cat just realized his horse Justice matters. Jul 23 #50
HAHA FalloutShelter Jul 23 #51
Like aTesla on FSD CentralMass Jul 23 #69
Another one bites the dust Playingmantis Jul 23 #52
LOL SunSeeker Jul 23 #55
Omg if this is true lolololololo.....nt intrepidity Jul 23 #57
Telsa is paying a price for Musk's stupidity and so he had to back down LetMyPeopleVote Jul 23 #58
believe it when it actually gets there. words are words. drawing money down by ACH is something else - Wed Jul 17, 2024 Traurigkeit Jul 23 #59
I doubt it toad-eye Jul 23 #61
He just now realized it'd be a waste of money! Wednesdays Jul 23 #62
It feels like we are checking off the plot points from "Animal House," one, by one. diva77 Jul 23 #64
Lol, who DIDN'T see that coming? One stable genius backing out on the other. Maru Kitteh Jul 23 #66
Backer downer pledger? I think SOOO. dchill Jul 23 #68
Elmo is looking for love in all the wrong places. I doubt it but he might have CentralMass Jul 23 #71
Uh, oh. Elon doesn't want to throw good money after bad and back a loser. Martin68 Jul 23 #72
Nailed it! Metaphorical Jul 23 #73
He also added that one of the principles the PAC aligned with was "freedom," particularly freedom from "as much governme Demovictory9 Jul 23 #78
LOL Elon found a better start up company to try to hitch onto. nt Quixote1818 Jul 23 #79
He's gonna tank tesla. dsp3000 Jul 23 #81
hem AllaN01Bear Jul 23 #82
Ha! Trump already picked Vance so no need for Musk to keep paying Orangepeel Jul 23 #83
cult of personalizleeze WhatTheFlux Jul 23 #84
Elon starts a big PAC with empty big talk of big dollars.... for other people to donate to. keithbvadu2 Jul 23 #89
Must, still a weasel RANDYWILDMAN Jul 24 #92

surfered

(1,909 posts)
60. If you read the entire article linked to this post
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:18 PM
Jul 23

You will see that Musk started a PAC, along with other tech billionaires, to support Republican candidates which include Trump.

Musk opposes Democratic policies, saying we are for censorship, etc.

You can’t trust what he says, including his denials.

brush

(56,266 posts)
2. Loser that he is, Musk knows trump when he sees one...now that VP Harris is in the race.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:40 PM
Jul 23

Last edited Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:28 PM - Edit history (1)

agingdem

(8,412 posts)
34. I suspect Musk isn't the only bloated billionaire
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:13 PM
Jul 23

Last edited Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:43 PM - Edit history (1)

backing away from geezer Trump..and I also suspect Judge "Bend Over For Trump" Cannon is gulping back tears as her chance of a Supreme Court seat has gone from a sure thing to a never gonna happen...thoughts and prayers...

rubbersole

(7,976 posts)
77. Probably catching on in 'diners' around the country.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:59 PM
Jul 23

And beauty salons. And PTA bake sales. And golf courses. And....

Response to Dave Bowman (Reply #53)

soldierant

(7,637 posts)
87. I'm afraid I can't say the same...
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:46 PM
Jul 23

Every time I look at her official picture, I feel like calling an exorcist. And it''s mostly those eyes. I'm afraid tears coming out ofthem could pollute the entire Caribbean., an that scares me.

wnylib

(23,606 posts)
90. I was thinking of her bitter sadness after debasing herself
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 11:14 PM
Jul 23

so blatantly only to realize that it was all in vain. She will not get the SC appointment that she so desperately wanted.

newdeal2

(544 posts)
7. Haha I predicted something like this yesterday
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:41 PM
Jul 23

This was a marriage of convenience between big tech and Trump and it’s going to blow up at some point.

Martin68

(24,008 posts)
74. Don't count on it. The oil lobby won't invest in a losing candidate who can't give them anything in return.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:54 PM
Jul 23

Silent Type

(5,463 posts)
14. Saw an article early this morning that essentially said, "trump better cash the check quickly, if he even gets one."
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:44 PM
Jul 23

Johnny2X2X

(20,972 posts)
16. Wow
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:44 PM
Jul 23

I wonder if someone talked some sense into him. That other billionaire he was trying to get to join him had a pretty good public comeback calling Trump “depraved.”

irisblue

(33,714 posts)
17. From the Fortune article
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:44 PM
Jul 23
https://fortune.com/2024/07/23/elon-musk-backs-down-from-45-million-a-month-pledge-to-trump-says-he-doesnt-subscribe-to-cult-of-personality/

[ his cult of personality is the only cult that matters to that guy]

snip-"What’s been reported in the media is simply not true,” Musk said. “I am not donating $45 million a month to Trump.”


snip-"The Wall Street Journal first reported on the claim, citing sources “familiar with the matter.” The outlet has not yet issued a retraction or follow-up article altering its reporting.

Musk did note that he created a super PAC, called the America PAC, to help support Trump. A super PAC is a group that can raise unlimited amounts of money for a campaign’s independent expenditures—such as for ads, or for day-to-day operations— but doesn’t donate directly to the campaign. They have become prominent among both Democrats and Republicans since a 2010 D.C. appeals court decision that authorized the existence of the super PACS. For a normal PAC, donors are limited to gifts of only $5,000 a year."

snip-"He also added that one of the principles the PAC aligned with was “freedom,” particularly freedom from “as much government intervention as possible.” The hand of government gets heavier every year, and if we don’t roll back some restrictions and regulations, eventually, “everything will be illegal,” Musk said."

more there.

That guy is a gaping asshole

llmart

(16,132 posts)
44. Yep.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:46 PM
Jul 23

Space X uses NASA's Kennedy Space Center for launches and they have received more than a billion dollar in government contracts. The next ones to be bid on are in the near future, so Musk knows which side his bread is buttered on and it's not going to be Trump after January.

Martin68

(24,008 posts)
76. Actually Musk has really good ideas and follows through on them. Hundreds of satellites in orbit, the first successful
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:58 PM
Jul 23

EV, and a successful launch vehicle. He also is very good at picking useful people (engineers, businessmen, etc) to carry out his ideas. He is also a grand manipulator. The problem is he's a sociopath who takes sole credit for all of his success and doesn't give a shit about anybody else. That will be his downfall.

ecstatic

(33,951 posts)
48. trump repeated that claim at his rally the other day as well.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:49 PM
Jul 23

Funny how eloon waited so long to shut it down. They're both liars so who knows what's true.


Diraven

(860 posts)
85. If this denial is true
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:31 PM
Jul 23

Expect Trump to call Musk a traitor in his next rally. If he says nothing about it then the deal is probably still happening on the DL.

karynnj

(59,801 posts)
56. Could Musk just be parsing words here?
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:13 PM
Jul 23

He says he is not giving 45 million a month to Trump. He then speaks of his PAC, WHICH SUPPORTS TRUMP. He does not say how much he gave that PAC or how much he is spending a month from it.

He MAY be spending 45 million from it.

Iggo

(48,059 posts)
86. Using a PAC as a front was the only way he ever COULD give Trump 45 million per month.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:34 PM
Jul 23

Straight up giving it to Trump's campaign is all kinds of illegal.

ecstatic

(33,951 posts)
91. Someone on a news show suggested that musk may have conned
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:26 AM
Jul 24

trump by promising 45M per month in exchange for putting jd vance on the ticket. Now that jd's on the ticket, musk doesn't need to pay him shit.

karynnj

(59,801 posts)
93. If true and given what we know of Trump, what does that do to his relaationship
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 07:10 AM
Jul 24

With Vance. Although Trump does not seem to have many genuine relationships, could this lead to hostility.

mucholderthandirt

(760 posts)
19. What a liar.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:46 PM
Jul 23

He's just realized that Kamala Harris is going to wipe the floor with Trump, and all that money would just be wasted. He could buy out another idea and run it into the ground, by God.

Starry Messenger

(32,374 posts)
23. It is entirely likely that Elon knows Kamala from CA stuff
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:52 PM
Jul 23

And knows the terrain has shifted to the point where he’d just be lighting his money on fire

XRubicon

(2,231 posts)
24. LOL
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:53 PM
Jul 23

ETA a Threads link


Post by @michelle_holly
View on Threads


/?xmt=AQGzncbbB5vTfPyI5Wk77jLNrdIR1kvG-ImqLcrxN8kJ9Q

Hey- I previewed this and it looks as good as twitter so why don't we stop posting twitter links and feeding the fascists?

ETA I guess it was a threads link... super happy to see that.

LeftInTX

(28,939 posts)
25. Cost of living getting to you Elon?
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:57 PM
Jul 23







EXCLUSIVE: Musk's modest abode: Elon's $50,000 Texas ranch is laid bare for first time - complete with rocket-shaped kids' playhouse and Tesla solar panels - just a block from SpaceX Starbase and two miles from Mexican border
Elon Musk's Boca Chica, Texas home has been revealed for the first time in exclusive DailyMail.com photos

Musk, 50, has claimed his 'primary' abode is a $50,000 rental property near the SpaceX Starbase after downsizing and pledging to 'own no home' last year

Neighbors confirmed the billionaire does indeed reside in Boca Chica – at least some of the time – in a three-bed, ranch-style home a block away from his space firm's production facility

Musk - who last month agreed to pay around $44billion for Twitter - has whitewashed the walls, planted new trees and covered the entire roof in high-tech Tesla-made solar roof tiles

His security entourage lives next door and the 1970s property is guarded with a dozen or so cameras, several nestling high above the street in the tops of palm trees

The tech founder, who recently had his seventh and eighth children with on-off partner Grimes, has also built a custom-made playhouse and swing in the back yard that closely resembles a SpaceX rocket

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10775779/Elon-Musks-50k-Texas-home-near-SpaceX-Starbase-revealed.html

Note: The ranch house is worth about $200,000. But he did pay around $50,000 for the house located in the middle of nowhere. He also owns a $50,000 tiny house. Which is on the same property.

He did spend some $$ to remodel the house.

Kazzy

(27 posts)
27. I think there are many reasons for this
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:59 PM
Jul 23

Here is one: I also read on DU that many people are no longer buying Teslas because he is a Trump supporter now…

Elon could just be looking after his companies with this move.. I doubt Maga are the target audience for Teslas 😂

Thrill

(19,238 posts)
35. Could be to things
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:13 PM
Jul 23

He’s reacting to TSLA’s awful earnings. Or he just hated Biden he was willing to back Trump

GoCubsGo

(32,761 posts)
39. I'm shocked. SHOCKED I tell you!
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:35 PM
Jul 23

I knew from the start that he wasn't going to pay up. He's full of shit.

DFW

(55,894 posts)
41. That's not all he doesn't subscribe to
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:41 PM
Jul 23

He doesn‘t subscribe to tossing $45 million a month into some nebulous fund that Donald Trump can raid at will and put the cash into his own pocket. I can sympathize!

That is, I would, if I only had $45 million a month in spare cash.

Justice matters.

(7,321 posts)
50. That government-subsidies fat cat just realized his horse
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:00 PM
Jul 23

is a loser?

Or was it the abysmal drop in Tesla's car sales due to his daily propaganda for the right-wing fascists?

Or was it the convicted felon he supports trashing electric-cars in his crazy ramblings at his lying rallies?

Maybe a combination of all the above.

 

Traurigkeit

(1,290 posts)
59. believe it when it actually gets there. words are words. drawing money down by ACH is something else - Wed Jul 17, 2024
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:18 PM
Jul 23

toad-eye

(36 posts)
61. I doubt it
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:23 PM
Jul 23

I highly doubt Musk-rat is being truthful.
More likely the report about all the business Tesla is losing hit the fan and this is his attempt at damage control.
I believe the money is still flowing.
Even if he wasn't giving to either candidate, I don't like him or his pudgy entitled face and would never buy one of his stupid cars.

CentralMass

(15,436 posts)
71. Elmo is looking for love in all the wrong places. I doubt it but he might have
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:47 PM
Jul 23

realized that being an asshole has driven his customer base.away

Martin68

(24,008 posts)
72. Uh, oh. Elon doesn't want to throw good money after bad and back a loser.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:52 PM
Jul 23

That's very telling. I think Trump is in the Dumpster.

Metaphorical

(2,017 posts)
73. Nailed it!
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:53 PM
Jul 23

On Sunday, when Biden stepped down as candidate and endorsed Harris, one of my first thoughts was that Musk was going to close his checkbook, and that when he did, it'd be the start of a stampede away from the GOP by the billionaire donors.

If Trump is holding outside rallies, it means he can't afford indoor venues. The GOP convention was embarrassing in part because of how bare bones it looked. Yet the RNC had been claiming something on the order of $250 million in their war chest in the last couple of months. A little bit of reflection shed some light on the issue.

There are quite a few paper billionaires out there, but it's worth understanding that many of them are fairly heavily invested, and in general they are far more likely to borrow against their investments as collateral rather than actually liquidating the principle. Musk's big payday was to have been his compensation package from Tesla, but that's still not (as far as I'm aware) materialized, and the value of his holdings are way down from where they were at his peak. This means that while Musk is not hurting, $45 million a month (almost $250 million dollars in total) is a not insignificant amount of money even to a billionaire.

Musk was making an investment, and under Biden, that bet looked safe. Sunday - and Kamala Harris's adroit handling of it - changed the equation dramatically. Understand that Musk "acquired" Twitter primarily to influence both public opinion and the election, but he didn't actually pay all that much of his own money to do it. Instead, he bought up junk bonds and similar questions financial instruments to finance it, probably with stock as collateral, and if he doesn't get Twitter (excuse me, X) off the ground, he's significantly underwater. If Trump loses, that's only going to add to Musk's loss (especially since getting a loan for a somewhat dubious campaign contribution of that magnitude is likely VERY difficult, not to mention probably illegal if Trump DID lose.

This means that Musk's "contributions" were counted in total when they had simply been pledged. Musk walking away from a promise (which he has been known to do in the past) is moreover likely to cause others in that circle to follow suit, for much the same reason. Even if the RNC funds aren't being "repurposed" for Trump's legal fees (and I would be surprised if they weren't), the pledges are being vacated just as the campaign season really begins, leaving the RNC (also known as Trump, Inc.) broke for all intents and purposes.

I see a few things coming out of this. Campaign ads all up and down the chain on the RNC side are going to disappear by September. The MAGA devout are going to find that their signage and t-shirts have been mysteriously lost in the mail. The barrage of polls that have obvious biases are going to slow down to the more legitimate ones, and the cycle's going to accelerate.

Everyone wants to back a winner. No one wants to back a loser.


Demovictory9

(33,159 posts)
78. He also added that one of the principles the PAC aligned with was "freedom," particularly freedom from "as much governme
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:00 PM
Jul 23


He also added that one of the principles the PAC aligned with was “freedom,” particularly freedom from “as much government intervention as possible.” The hand of government gets heavier every year, and if we don’t roll back some restrictions and regulations, eventually, “everything will be illegal,” Musk said.

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