**IF** the big donors are able to force Biden out, they will be sending a message to the NEXT

[TasminCat]

nominee, telling him or her that they better play by their rules or else they will also be kneecapped.

It will be sending a message to the world that OUR PRESIDENT doesn't run our party, Pelosi doesn't, Schiff doesn't - they are all merely servants to the billionaires.

The UNELECTED billionaires.

This is what Thomas Paine wrote about in Common Sense. It is common sense that the people should rule themselves - they should not be ruled by a wealthy, unelected aristocracy class.

No more progressive legislation. Do what the billionaires want or the politician or the party goes down.

It's a back door coup and it is happening right now.

A Citizens United coup. Money runs us. Money decides.

[flamingdem]

1. I hope that Biden resists and that we

can win without their lucre.

[shrike3]

2. They don't care. We care, but we don't matter.

[onecaliberal]

3. Exactly!

[58Sunliner]

4. God damn right. It's just the start folks.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

5. In Russia, Putin rules the Oligarchs. The Oligarchs pay him in order to exist.

Damn the US Supreme Court for Citizen's United.

[TasminCat]

6. these billionaires are determined to fuck us

[DENVERPOPS]

39. Dems or Repubs, all oligarchs

from both political parties got a big bonus out of Trump's tax cuts, and will get an even bigger reduction in taxes if Trump is Re-elected. No matter, it is never enough for all these uber rich assholes and the corporations who will get bigger tax cuts.

I often reflect on what a frenchman? said when we were forming our nation's government hundreds of years ago:

"A Democracy will last until some group of people realize that they can vote themselves money" And here we are........

[Progressive dog]

7. They expect to choose Biden's replacement

or to have a veto, which is a distinction without a difference.

[TasminCat]

9. exactly. they are pumped up on their own power and they won't stop at Biden.

[Johnny2X2X]

8. Pure speculation

These rumors are media driven and probably come from GOP donors and/or Trump and Russia.

[RockRaven]

10. They will also be sending a message to the public that "this new person is our

puppet, WE control them" and that is a pretty fucking bad message to send when you are asking for votes.

[Doodley]

11. They want to beat Trump. This isn't a conspiracy. They saw the debate. They've seen the polls in which two-thirds of

Democrats want Joe to step down. If true, it is because as events have unfolded, they do not have confidence Joe would be the best candidate.

[orangecrush]

14. I don't believe these people are stupid

And there are two reasons to call for Biden to step down at this late stage.

One is being too stupid to realize that guarantees defeat. We know that ain't it

Can't imagine what the other one is.

[GiqueCee]

19. Are you serious?!!?

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You'd best believe it's a fucking conspiracy! And fuck that goddamn debate story. It was a pointless dog-and-pony show from the git-go. This ain't the Lincoln-Douglas era, when there was no such thing as radio, TV, or the Internet. Televised debates are an anachronism that only exist to bump network ratings. And, as sick and exhausted as he was, Biden told the truth. Trump lied. And lied. And lied. Ad infinitum. But his clown show has always been misdirection, while the oligarchs treated our democracy like a piñata.

The Big-Money donors have discarded any pretense of democracy, and are rubbing our noses in the fact that they've ALWAYS been calling the shots, especially since Citizens United. And now, with the advent of Project 2025, they've shifted into overdrive. They know that Biden will splatter Trump all over the landscape, metaphorically speaking, and they want P 2025, so Biden has to go, one way or another.

The Big-Money donors have always played both side of the street, and now they're dangling the threat of disappearing campaign contributions to force the Democratic leaders to oust Biden so the don't have to bloody their own hands.
Biden should – no, he fucking HAS to – call their bluff and tell Schumer and the rest to go fuck themselves. He HAS the delegates, so he HAS the nomination.
God damn those treacherous backstabbers! They can kiss their political futures goodbye.

[TasminCat]

33. the billionaires don't want to just win, they want to SADISTICALLY RUB OUR NOSES IN IT

[GiqueCee]

35. I said exactly that...

... in another reply! We're definitely of like minds, TasminCat!

[edisdead]

34. hahahahaha sure.

[edisdead]

36. Let me explain something to you.

The billionaires want a candidate that be efits them most. That isn’t President Joe Biden: So they want a candidate that can’t beat trump. Because they want to keep their Trump tax cuts and reduce regulation. So they threaten to withhold donations to other Dems to get them to press Biden to step down.

that is EXACTLY what is going on here?.

[C_U_L8R]

12. If billionaires upend our party and candidate

Trump will guarantee they aren't billionaires for much longer.

[Probatim]

13. Our billionaires are more like their billionaires than anything else.

They may not like Biden or FFF45 but they like their tax cuts and lower regulation and passing legislation that helps their bottom lines.

When the right talks about a global liberal elite - they're talking about a global elite that plans on running the country.

(And JFC I'm talking like a lunatic today - like my tinfoil hat took over the keyboard.)

[edisdead]

37. This is it exactly.

[GiqueCee]

15. That's what I've been saying...

... for quite a while. No one wanted to believe it... until now, when it's staring them right in the face, because they're not even pretending to care about democracy anymore. They want Feudalism 2.0.

So do we roll into the fetal position and suck our thumbs and whine woe is me? Or do we take it to these sonsabitches? I'm for the latter. They do not want their names to see the light of day; they scheme in darkness. So...

To be continued...

[onecaliberal]

16. If they do that, I will have a message of my own.

[oldmanlynn]

17. Only if you vote for trump or stay home.

[FoxNewsSucks]

18. That's depressingly true.

[SCantiGOP]

21. I have not heard anybody talking about 'forcing' Harris off the ticket

And I haven't heard anybody talking about forcing Biden off, although a growing number are talking about urging Biden to withdraw.

[NoMoreRepugs]

22. Maybe I'm just an old (75) fool but I'd like to believe there are

enough of us who care about our kids and grandkids future to each kick in a $1000 to save our damn Democracy. If we number a Million that’s a BILLION dollars to fight the American Oligarchs.

[jaxexpat]

23. I think we've given this issue enough oxygen already.

At this point going over it again only plays into the hands of MAGA, disruption junkies and Russian-Bots Inc.

Most of the re-dredging of this dead issue seems to be coming from DU "newbies". Has anybody else noticed that?

Just asking.

[Bluethroughu]

24. King Biden can save the Democracy, remove the 6 traitor justices.

Appoint 6 new, to overturn quickly the Immunity, Citizens United, Chevron, Dobbs, and all the other paid for rulings, the PEOPLE DO NOT SUPPORT, anti-gay, discrimination, voting, anti-union, religion and gun regulation. BRIBERY AKA GRATUTITY.

We need him to go down in history, saving the Democratic Constitutional Republic.

[Zeitghost]

28. He doesn't have the power to do that

And if he tried, he would be rightfully impeached and removed.

[Bluethroughu]

29. By whom, he's King according to the court.

A former President is running for re-election as an adjudicated insurrectionist. The Supreme Court said a President gets full immunity for all acts while in office.

Even a Yale Constitutional scholar said the SCOTUs has made the Constitution unconstitutional.

We are working in Law of the Kingdom now.

[Zeitghost]

30. You don't seem to understand what immunity entails.

It doesn't make your actions binding, it makes them possibly immune from criminal prosecution.

[Bluethroughu]

32. Well the last time I checked lawlessness rules the land.

We have justices taking millions and ruling on the those cases. They gave the worst President in U.S. History a pass. They declared bribery legal. We have a Republican party supporting a candidate that says he will be a dictator on day 1. The same person the court gave full immunity too.

I don't know what laws, you think would be upheld, when they reversed Chevron. We are in the wild west wet dream of fascists. There is no more playing defense, it's offensive time...if we want to hold onto this Democracy.

[DallasNE]

25. Thanks To Citizens United, Musk Is Giving Trump $180 Million

So you can't play the fat cats game because you will lose every time. Trump will get his $1 billion easily - he's 1/5 there with just 1 donor. Corruption drives everything - A US Senator was just found guilty, Thomas and Alito are deeply involved in corrupt practices and Trump was just found guilty of a form of corruption and fined nearly a half billion dollars. It somehow drives them closer to victory. To the rest of us it shows up as inflation.

[iemanja]

26. It's not the big donors

This is a drastic simplification of what is happening. We see many such myopic simplifications.
1) They hate black people: ignoring the fact Kamala would be the likely successor and that Jefferies and Obama are among those concerned that Biden may not be able to win.
2) They just want Trump to win: Yeah, Nancy Pelosi's lifelong mission has been to put Trump in the White House
3) Now it's the Big Donors: ignoring all the Democratic elected officials who are not in fact big donors. They are concerned that Dems might not only lose the White House but the House as well. The consequences of that would be disastrous.
4) If you do want to know what some of the big donors think, read this article about the Hollywood fundraiser that Biden himself solicited from Clooney and other Hollywood big wigs. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/inside-the-glitzy-fundraiser-where-biden-lost-george-clooney/ar-BB1pRpFW?ocid=BingNewsSerp

All of these people have legitimate concerns. That doesn't mean they are right in wanting Biden to step down. His doing so would create a host of problems in their own right by throwing the nomination process into chaos and creating ballot problems. But oversimplifying the concerns doesn't help anything.

[edisdead]

38. It is 100% about regulations and tax cuts.

The racism and everything else is just gravy for them.

[iemanja]

42. Ignore the facts

It makes things easier for you.

[iemanja]

45. Then why aren't they donating to the GOP in the first place?

and why would they want Kamala as the nominee? I don't see a lot of thought behind this theory.

[hume]

27. Agree completely.

We are watching a coup within the party. Very dangerous.

[The Magistrate]

31. That's How It Works, Sir

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

[Initech]

40. The billionaires are drunk with power and completely out of control.

It fucking sucks - they are destroying this country for the betterment of their fucking wallets.

[Blue Full Moon]

41. Money trumps civil rights

If they were worried about 30% of 8% of the population? I know several people who will not vote. And tRump destroying our democracy is falling flat with the democrats doing it to their own consituents.

[StarryNite]

43. President Biden is our best hope.

He is doing great and speaks for the middle class. With enough support he can win. Without him we will lose and who knows if there will be a next real election. Or will it be like in Russia where it's not really an election. You know the kind where people vote but their votes don't really count...oh wait...

[AwakeAtLast]

44. According to my MAGA Dad

This is all to install Michelle (he wouldn't say her last name).