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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe plan to remove Biden is well underway
and about to reach critical mass. Think about what’s going on here, the MSM continues the assault then creates new content by seeking commentary from Democrats. Once they get something that can be turned into a juicy sound bite, they go to the next Democrat with “Do you join Tim Ryan (or fill in the blank with the next weak Democrat) in demanding that Biden be replaced”? They are pushing the story and the Democrats (some), of course, give them exactly what they want.
Because of one debate performance. Not his stellar 3.5 year record, one debate performance. And no, we can’t have a unicorn.
I don’t need to tell you about the years of unhinged behavior from TFC. We know about it, but no one else seems to because the media has ignored each and every nefarious, criminal, treasonous, unhinged episode from TFC. And even when there’s the tiniest mention of anything afoot, a choir of support rains down from Republicans and the media, putting those who question anything in their place. Heck, he even had prominent journalists pushing info for him!
Silly us. Biden had a bad debate performance! He has to go! /sarcasm
The MSM is almost at the finish line, picking up Dems along the way. And when the Dems install their candidate, every democrat will get in line and vote for them! Right?!?! Won’t they? You don’t think anyone will protest and sit this out because of what was done to Joe, do you?
That would be really scary that pushing Joe out would have the unintended consequences of causing voters to those their faith in the party. I guess that’s the risk some are willing to take.
Seems dangerous to me.

yardwork
(66,041 posts)DFW
(57,631 posts)“Remember the Maine!” 2.0
EYESORE 9001
(27,985 posts)but the so-called Gulf of Tonkin incident was another dubious casus belli that the media flagellated incessantly. Also premature babies being tossed from incubators when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
CBHagman
(17,231 posts)I still get the print paper so that I can see how they present things, and I've had eight days of relentless coverage of Biden's age, debate performance, etc.
What's striking is that the paper still normalizes Trump in many respects. I have been meaning to do a side-by-side comparison of how the front pages looked after the debate versus after the guilty verdict in New York.
madibella
(166 posts)The Biden pics shown are with his mouth open, looking confused, tired etc.
You don’t even have to read the article or watch the news to see what the agenda is!
LisaL
(47,160 posts)NT
jmbar2
(6,750 posts)We need resistance, not passive acceptance of MSM's role in this attempted coup. The fall of democracy can happen much faster than any fall in advertising dollars.
Runningdawg
(4,634 posts)CBHagman
(17,231 posts)Ashley Parker and Meryl Kornfield had an ageist attack article today with a close-up of the president's and Dr. Biden's hands, the emphasis being that the president needs guiding off stages and suchlike.
But for weeks on end after the felony convictions, The Post ran campaign-style photos of Trump, including the raised-fist pose. You wonder how many women he assaulted with that raised fist.
The Post really is in a disturbing state.
myohmy2
(3,572 posts)...and Joe doesn't want to be removed...
...Joe ain't going anywhere...
Susan Calvin
(2,241 posts)That was just the catalyst. They want a horse race, if I'm being charitable. They want Trump, if I'm not.
myohmy2
(3,572 posts)jmbar2
(6,750 posts)FBaggins
(28,063 posts)Someone in Congress from the president’s own party is calling on him to step aside… that’s obviously newsworthy.
Maybe push back on Craig?
jmbar2
(6,750 posts)She could just as easily platform people who support Biden, which I believe is the majority. But she is choosing, and seeking out those who want to topple him.
Biden was chosen by the people as candidate. If anyone wants to change horses mid-stream, the voters need to be onboard with it. If they succeed in a coup, it will shatter the democratic party, and open the door to tyranny.
Which is what the intent of this whole exercise is. Putin's wet dream. We have too many useful idiots falling into this trap.
Including Lisa.
FBaggins
(28,063 posts)The voters “platformed” the members of Congress.
Congressmen who support the presumed nominee of their own party are not “news”
Bobstandard
(1,854 posts)These folks who want to nullify primary votes are ridiculous, dangerous, and in it for their moment of notoriety.
The news media does not have an obligation to keep one party in line.
If this were a media personality saying on their own behalf (as so many have) that Biden should step aside - they would be worthy of criticism.
But reporting legitimate news is their job.. not asking the party which news they would like to suppress.
There is legitimate doubt over who our nominee will be. That's going to be a story at leat until out convention. Which - by the way - is then the primary ends.
Bobstandard
(1,854 posts)Primary voters earlier and now Democrats polled show overwhelming support for Biden. Breathless reporting about whether he should, will, might drop out or be forced out are all media driven stories.
Have you seen any of these stories start with “despite overwhelming support both at primary polls and in recent polling, a few Democratic politicians appear to support replacing Biden. None have publicly supported an alternative.” Legitimate reporting would then go on to quote the outliers, etc. we don’t see anything like that, do we?
Deek1935
(1,055 posts)madibella
(166 posts)And the Democrats (some) are so weak that instead of turning the tables on the media and asking them why TFC is allowed to run, they break down with little to no resistance.
The media wants numbers so they can then proclaim “12 Leading Democrats Demand That Biden Step Aside.”
And so on and so on.
They got their summer surprise and they’re running with it.
Deek1935
(1,055 posts)Thanks Deek for speaking up so forcefully! If this attempted coup succeeds, the Democratic party and its alliances will be irretrievably shattered.
We all need to push back forcefully in every possible way. I just contacted all my elected representatives via email requesting that they respect my vote, and support President Biden in the face of this attempted coup.
Also, push back against media persons that are jumping on the narrative. We need a flood of voices speaking out.
Fight! Speak up!
Lochloosa
(16,504 posts)LisaL
(47,160 posts)If nobody is watching they will stop really fast.
PortTack
(35,452 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)They need to pound sand. They need to fucking be ignored.
delisen
(6,873 posts)It is an old propaganda line of authoritarians yo are using. Please update.
delisen
(6,873 posts)madibella
(166 posts)cayugafalls
(5,789 posts)IMO
Doodley
(10,663 posts)nearly all his headlines are about his candidacy. I think he has been doomed.
LisaL
(47,160 posts)NT
Doodley
(10,663 posts)yorkster
(2,914 posts)We have to resist by canceling subscriptions, turning off the telly,
giving voice by emailing, texting, phoning our electeds, etc.
I know it's easy to feel overwhelmed - I'm disgusted and repulsed by what they are doing to the voters and to Joe himself.
Hang in there.
totodeinhere
(13,588 posts)There are about 170 million registered voters versus probably several thousand active DU members. I wish it were not so but I think it is.
madibella
(166 posts)I can honestly say I will be heartbroken. Joe Biden has always held a special place in my heart.
It’s going to be devastating.
Response to madibella (Reply #19)
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madibella
(166 posts)and more importantly, who are you to determine if it’s useful.
You are beyond rude and your response is beyond uncalled for.
Farmer-Rick
(11,708 posts)Because Biden is going to win.
Wait out the lies and media frenzy.
This too will pass. It's a distraction and reaction to Epstein info of Trump raping two 12 year old girls.
The best defense is a good offense. Trump, Putin Trolls and the filthy-rich are trying to hide that Trump and Malaria were Epstein's BFF.
madibella
(166 posts)Always has.
Doodley
(10,663 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(160,892 posts)Response to Doodley (Reply #14)
Blue Idaho This message was self-deleted by its author.
PortTack
(35,452 posts)Doodley
(10,663 posts)PortTack
(35,452 posts)Farmer-Rick
(11,708 posts)It's just a media frenzy backed up by Russian Trolls repeating lies and BS that Trump sh*ts out. One bad debate does not lose elections.you are buying into the con.
It's all propaganda and manipulation.
Step back, take a breath and realize what's really going on.
Traurigkeit
(1,290 posts)Why are you worrying about bullshit ?
Believe in the ACTIONs done and are doing by the Biden Administration.
Not words of propaganda by media.
Doodley
(10,663 posts)Traurigkeit
(1,290 posts)Emile
(33,767 posts)DemocratInPa
(743 posts)Some may think they are more useful in fighting and blocking bills with Trump in opposed to having normalcy where they aren't recognized as much.
DemocratInPa
(743 posts)Said it before, will say it again.. I swear these people can't be happy and want Trump back in so they can just bitch and be useful in a fight against him.
peacebuzzard
(5,393 posts)I don't know what fodder is out there which ignites so many posts like this.
I turn off MSM.
I don't deal with that in my life....is that what is causing this issue to not die a natural death.?
no offense, its just past its time; ....turn it off.
that is all.
Farmer-Rick
(11,708 posts)Are Democrats stupid enough to fall for this crap?
It's to hide that Trump raped Two 12 year old girls and was BFF with Epstein.
Don't fall for the con. Use your brain.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)shrike3
(5,370 posts)I turned it on only infrequently, and I have come to the point where I may be done.
oldmanlynn
(630 posts)I was wrong. Conspiracies and beliefs in them happen on both sides
Silent3
(15,909 posts)…and nutty around here, with people seeing betrayers and enemies lurking around everywhere corner.
Fla Dem
(26,418 posts)offer critical analysis/editorials or jump from the Biden Bus, the more the ordinary folks (us) stand behind him.
Runningdawg
(4,634 posts)Ear to the ground in OK, I don't personally know anyone registered Dem or Ind between 18-30 who plans to vote AT ALL for anyone or anything. Even those in my social group who slammed the Bernie Bros among us for not voting in 16, don't plan to vote. Now lets add in the Native friends and family over 65 who fall into 2 camps: Its a christian nation, vote for Trump or I don't vote for colonizers.
You can scream SCOUTS, abortion, book bans, and about civil rights until you are blue in the face. They aren't buying any of it.
HOW DO WE FIX THAT????
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,961 posts)I'm in Omaha. I've seen a few Trump flags/signs, but not many. A few Don Bacon signs mostly left over from his bruising primary with Frei. Some Tony Vargas signs. I have neighbors who attend a local megachurch that -- as you put it -- are going with "Its a Christian nation, vote for Trump." Most people aren't talking about it and from those who do, I get something along the line of "I don't like either of them." It's a long time until November, but my sense right now is that a lot of people are going to sit this one out.
RE: "You can scream SCOTUS, abortion, book bans, and about civil rights until you are blue in the face. They aren't buying any of it.
HOW DO WE FIX THAT????" My first response would be "Ask Lance Morgan." Mr. Morgan is a member of Winnebago Nation and an attorney by training, and he operates Ho Chunk and has basically worked an economic miracle for the Winnebago. From what I've read, he's a Dem but he's not super involved in politics. My second response would be to point to Secretary Deb Haaland and remind everyone that she is the highest ranking Native American in Federal Government, and point out that no one like her is going to be in a Trump administration. Remember that social issues are important, but in Presidential elections, people vote with their wallets. Unemployment is low and stable, and the economy is growing. But despite rising wages, people feel pinched both at the low level (buying milk, eggs, bread, and meat) and buying a home (because housing prices skyrocketed under low interest rates, and aren't coming down now that rates are perceived as high but are statistically normal).
Runningdawg
(4,634 posts)I'm not talking about Native lawyers (we have one in the family) reps in congress or state houses. I'm talking about the Natives living on the rez. They aren't voting. And many elders feel vindicated that the younger generation is following their example and refusing to participate in the colonizers government.
dchill
(41,804 posts)He's a FORMER US Representative. That's somewhat beyond weak, IMO. He practically ran AGAINST Biden in his last try at office.
madibella
(166 posts)Thanks for the reminder.
LetMyPeopleVote
(160,892 posts)Ballot access litigation is strange. There are traps that could be used to keep a replacement for President Biden off the ballot. The GOP will try to use any change in the party ticket to keep the Democratic candidate off the ballot. For example, the compromise with Ohio to get President Biden on the ballot may go away if the Democratic Party changes candidates.
Link to tweet
First it will be this lawsuit. In close order various Republican AG's will sue the DNC on behalf of their citizens "who voted in good faith in the Primary for Joe Biden." Then they will launch coordinated campaigns to split the Democratic coalition. "See how they are treating Kamala?" "Why didn't they think California's governor leading the 3rd largest economy in the world should be nominee." it will be relentless and targeted to get people to stay home. Millions of dark money will go to third party candidates. Suddenly RFK Jr. will miraculously have the resources to get on every ballot...on and on and on.
They don't care who is on the ballot. They want us to spend time, money, and anger on each other and on defense so Trump simply strolls into the White House with 45% of the vote.
The Biden campaign needs to stop nevel gazing and get back in the fight. We all need to stop eating each other alive and remember the real enemy to our democracy is the one's cheering this on in Florida.

Link to tweet

Removing President Biden from the ticket will give the GOP and the Heritage Foundation grounds to try to keep any replacement off the ballot. Removing President Biden from the ballot is a very stupid idea
DENVERPOPS
(11,591 posts)I am completely speechless and totally dumbfounded with all these Dem Politicians, going for their five minutes of fame, rallying around the anti-Biden crowd............
Un.Fing.Real..................I am blown away, I am totally mind-boggled by their actions................
THEY MUST BE STUPID, WITH SHORT TERM MEMORIES. DO THEY NOT REMEMBER THE "SWIFT BOATING" OF KERREY.
AN ALL OUT CHARACTER ASSASSINATION OF HIM, A PURPLE HEART WAR HERO???????????
No one even mentions, that the world is in a total uproar, and Biden is having to deal with all of that 24/7/365. No wonder he is some times tired and a little overwhelmed. Especially when facing a psychopathic Frankenstein's monster.............
Many Dem Politicians, for decades, have been playing the "I'll take the high road" BS.... WHILE FIGHTING A GROUP THAT SPECIALIZES IN GUERRILLA WARFARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If those Dems haven't noticed, ESPECIALLY since J6th, that this new group of Republicans is pulling all stops to win. Their strategy and tactics show they will stop at nothing. No matter how corrupt, no matter how despicable, no matter how devious, no matter how horrific.
These New Republicans, and their think tanks have taken over 95+% of the Media in the U.S. The U.S. Media is, and has been for some time, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party and the Corporations...........The Print Media, the RW Radio, the Broadcast TV Networks, the Cable Channels are all owned/operated by Uber Wealthy Republicans folks.
And, it has finally been figured out that if people ONLY watch Fox News, and listen to RW Radio, for years and years, it has the same effect as BRAINWASHING.......
Katie Bar The Door
LetMyPeopleVote
(160,892 posts)These attacks on President Biden are very stupid and only helping TFG. Why are supposed Democrats working to re-elect TFG?
Link to tweet
https://www.rawstory.com/biden-debate-2668695029/
"For me, and millions of Americans like me, this election is about the future of our country. It is about democracy, it is about getting away from the imperialistic, criminal presidency of Donald Trump and making sure that our children have a future that we can feel good about and be proud of," she explained.
She added, "It naive to think that at this point in the process you can switch candidates and still defeat Donald Trump. It is naive to think that the Democratic party will come out of a contested convention more united and stronger than they are today. "
"I think there is a lot more damage being done by folks other than Joe Biden when you look at how folks are reacting to this," she concluded.