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"I wanna talk to the Republican white women." Powerful message. (Original Post) demmiblue Jun 9 OP
K&R Blue Owl Jun 9 #1
Make this go viral! leftieNanner Jun 9 #2
I'd like to help it go viral, but ... RussBLib Jun 9 #30
People don't vote against their own interests. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 9 #3
I suppose it depends on how you rank your own thucythucy Jun 9 #4
. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 9 #8
As to your second point: thucythucy Jun 9 #12
or bred a bigot, thank his parents Traurigkeit Jun 9 #15
I think most people are just stupid. ZonkerHarris Jun 10 #39
Income is one issue Polybius Jun 10 #48
Well, if their vote results in their income going down, thucythucy Jun 10 #49
Just to be clear: Polybius Jun 10 #50
People who vote for people who will give tax advantages to the wealthy TNNurse Jun 9 #6
Not if the person giving those tax advantages does other things that those people like, such as demonizing WhiskeyGrinder Jun 9 #10
WhiskeyGrinder .... Upthevibe Jun 10 #42
Absolutely! Rebl2 Jun 9 #29
Excellent examples. TNNurse Jun 10 #38
There are the occasional people who are surprised that leopards are eating their faces. Iggo Jun 9 #7
Yep and trying to convince them that they actually DO care about other people is a fool's errand. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 9 #11
It all depends on how "interests" are defined in this context Martin Eden Jun 9 #13
"What is truly in their best interests?" It's not hard to figure out. People will tell you at any opportunity what WhiskeyGrinder Jun 9 #20
We most certainly disagree. I think it most definitely DEPENDS Martin Eden Jun 9 #26
Why assume that losing a family member is a bigger interest than believing something a person wants to be true? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 9 #28
That depends on how you define "interest" Martin Eden Jun 9 #34
Look at how many blamed the hospitals, but not MotownPgh Jun 9 #36
And often, an individual is unclear on their best interests as well. Torchlight Jun 9 #14
I would never second guess someone on what they say their best interests are. What's the point? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 9 #21
It's done daily. Torchlight Jun 9 #23
In my experience there are people who are stupid enough swimboy Jun 9 #24
Oh, piffle, people vote against their own interests all the time. 😉 ShazzieB Jun 9 #33
100% spot-on Polybius Jun 10 #47
Wow. That was so powerful it brought tears. Silver Gaia Jun 9 #5
This is the advantage of the private voting booth at the precinct, but ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 10 #43
That's a great point! Silver Gaia Jun 10 #45
I'm a 79-yr-old white man . . . AverageOldGuy Jun 9 #9
I'm stereotyping but like Trae Crowder, it is always jarring to hear that accent promoting progressive values and ideas. SoFlaBro Jun 9 #16
I have the accent too. paleotn Jun 9 #18
Brett Butler used to joke about it, too. Wait, what is the difference between Norcalina and Deep South? SoFlaBro Jun 9 #19
Barely perceptible to the uninitiated. paleotn Jun 9 #25
My dad was from Talladega JustAnotherGen Jun 9 #31
How can the accent vary across a state like that? Well, admittedly, northern FL sounds nothing like the south FL. SoFlaBro Jun 9 #32
Odd but it does. At least to the ears of locals. paleotn Jun 10 #46
Stop voting for people who don't care if you die.... paleotn Jun 9 #17
Reproductive slavery is real. patphil Jun 9 #22
The J_William_Ryan Jun 9 #27
I listen more than i speak JustAnotherGen Jun 9 #35
Try talking to Republican White Men, too whathehell Jun 10 #37
Powerful!!! electric_blue68 Jun 10 #40
I feel some of these people who vote against their slightlv Jun 10 #41
Maybe interests are not as heavily weighted as values or even TheKentuckian Jun 10 #44
SOME women, SOME women. ( Because somebody is always saying, "Not ALL men.") raccoon Jun 11 #51

leftieNanner

(15,284 posts)
2. Make this go viral!
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 05:22 PM
Jun 9

I have a close friend who always voted R. Until TFG showed up. Then she started paying attention. Now she's a super fan for MSNBC.

RussBLib

(9,141 posts)
30. I'd like to help it go viral, but ...
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:32 PM
Jun 9

...I'm not on TicToc or X. Not sure how to get it onto other social media. The Share button did nothing.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,763 posts)
3. People don't vote against their own interests.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 05:26 PM
Jun 9

If you believe they do, then you're just not clear on what their interests are.

thucythucy

(8,262 posts)
4. I suppose it depends on how you rank your own
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 06:01 PM
Jun 9

various self-interests.

Someone who is median or low income, and insulin dependent because of diabetes, and who votes for Trump is definitely voting against their self-interest, to the point of possibly endangering their life.

But if they see validation by the success of a national figure for their own bigotry and hatreds and neurotic insecurities, and that kind of validation is all-important to their self-esteem, then they're choosing to rank one self interest above all others.

Or they may falsely believe that their life was and will be better under Trump, despite the reality all around them. I suppose that's another way this works.

I think that's what you're getting at, but if not please let me know.

Best wishes.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,763 posts)
8. .
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 06:26 PM
Jun 9
Someone who is median or low income, and insulin dependent because of diabetes, and who votes for Trump is definitely voting against their self-interest, to the point of possibly endangering their life.

But if they see validation by the success of a national figure for their own bigotry and hatreds and neurotic insecurities, and that kind of validation is all-important to their self-esteem, then they're choosing to rank one self interest above all others.


Nope, that's it. Trump may or may not change rules about insulin costs, but he will DEFINITELY do things that your hypothetical voter wants him to do, and that voter finds the draw of those things greater than the risk of changes to insulin pricing.


Or they may falsely believe that their life was and will be better under Trump, despite the reality all around them. I suppose that's another way this works.
I would add that this hypothetical doesn't make sense. If someone believes their life was better under Trump, how can that be "false"? Taking people at their words and actions makes things a lot simpler.

thucythucy

(8,262 posts)
12. As to your second point:
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 07:00 PM
Jun 9

I've run into at least one person I know makes more money now, has done major improvements on his home and has bought all manner of toys--a new motorcycle, a new riding mower etc.-- since Biden was elected, but somehow feels he's miserable now whereas life under Trump was just one circus ride after another. He flies a Trump 2024 flag, along with a Biden Sucks flag in his front yard.

I think it comes from being engulfed by right wing media, particularly Fox News, which has him feeling that life in America sucks under Biden, and so his life has to suck as well.

Or maybe in his heart of hearts he knows he's better off now, but...bigotry and hatreds.

Polybius

(15,783 posts)
48. Income is one issue
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 08:19 PM
Jun 10

If you agree with the Republican side on every other issue besides income, would that be voting against your own interests if they vote Republican?

thucythucy

(8,262 posts)
49. Well, if their vote results in their income going down,
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 08:25 PM
Jun 10

then yes, they're voting against this one self-interest.

Like I said, it depends on how you rank your interests.

Polybius

(15,783 posts)
50. Just to be clear:
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 08:41 PM
Jun 10

Are you saying that If a person is low or middle income and agrees with Republicans on 9 out of 10 issues (except the aforementioned income), you are voting against your interests if you vote for them?

TNNurse

(6,976 posts)
6. People who vote for people who will give tax advantages to the wealthy
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 06:04 PM
Jun 9

and are not wealthy, vote against their own interests.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,763 posts)
10. Not if the person giving those tax advantages does other things that those people like, such as demonizing
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 06:28 PM
Jun 9

immigrants, mainstreaming overt racism, or making anti-trans jokes on TV. It's rare that people notice a tax break, or credit a politician with it. But everyone remembers when their favorite politician said something they liked. Plenty of people made that trade in 2016, and they'll do it again whenever they have the chance.

Upthevibe

(8,265 posts)
42. WhiskeyGrinder ....
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 02:32 PM
Jun 10

I disagree with you but I don't want to get into a back and forth so I'll just have my say here:

IMO, their ideology is causing them to vote for someone who is still not supporting their own interests (such as less expensive insulin). If they vote for someone who doesn't want to cap those prices it literally effects their financial situation....thus.....they're voting against their own interests.

Their support of this demagogue is based on a variety of reasons including their hatred of "the other", hatred of "libtards"....(wanting to "own the libs), etc. Ultimately they are placing their love for d.t. as more important than their own self-interests.

Rebl2

(13,841 posts)
29. Absolutely!
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:32 PM
Jun 9

People that plan/demand on having their social security and Medicare when they retire, yet they vote for republicans. My husband, before he retired, worked with people like this. One guy he worked with in particular who hated Medicaid, whined and cried when his grandchild couldn’t get it🙄.

Iggo

(47,742 posts)
7. There are the occasional people who are surprised that leopards are eating their faces.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 06:23 PM
Jun 9

But for the most part, people who don’t care about others are very consistent in their not caring about others. Especially in the voting booth.

Martin Eden

(12,962 posts)
13. It all depends on how "interests" are defined in this context
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 07:11 PM
Jun 9

MAGA voters may want zero gun regulations, even if that increases the risk family members will be killed.

They may be against government assistance for health insurance, even though they could die or go bankrupt because they can't afford treatment or medicine.

They may oppose environmental regulations and believe global warming is a hoax, even though they live in an area especially at risk for toxic pollutants or extreme weathe events.

They may believe Donald Trump won the 2020 election and he is the true champion for American democracy and Constitutional rule of law.

Voting for Trump may satisfy their wants and beliefs.

In reality, they are more likely to suffer economic calamity, illness, premature death, and/or loss of rights.

What is truly in their best interests?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,763 posts)
20. "What is truly in their best interests?" It's not hard to figure out. People will tell you at any opportunity what
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 07:55 PM
Jun 9

their own best interests are, and one way they do that is by voting. Interests are not needs; they are a preference. And it's clear there are people who would rather die younger than they might otherwise as long as it means that the government doesn't have a list of their health needs in exchange for cheaper insurance rates. There's no "it depends" about it.

Martin Eden

(12,962 posts)
26. We most certainly disagree. I think it most definitely DEPENDS
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:20 PM
Jun 9

If someone votes because they believe a demonstrable LIE, and they or family members they love suffer illness or premature death as a result of voting for an utterly FALSE BELIEF, then they obviously did not vote in the their own best interests.

Or do you dispute that a large number of voters are terribly misinformed and/or have been conned into believing lies?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,763 posts)
28. Why assume that losing a family member is a bigger interest than believing something a person wants to be true?
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:29 PM
Jun 9

Martin Eden

(12,962 posts)
34. That depends on how you define "interest"
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:57 PM
Jun 9

I have consistently qualified my term as "best interests".

For example, a person suffering temporary but curable mental illness may want to obtain a firearm to kill family members, then her or himself.

I believe (this goes beyond opinion to belief) it is not in that person's best interests to be provided with that firearm.

In the same vein, if a person votes on the basis of lies -- and suffers financial disaster or the death of a beloved family member as a consequence of that vote -- then they have NOT voted in their own best interests.

They do, of course, have the right to vote as they see fit.

What's the Matter with Kansas?

MotownPgh

(150 posts)
36. Look at how many blamed the hospitals, but not
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 09:10 PM
Jun 9

Trump, when their unvaxxed love ones died of covid....and stayed unvaxxed and unafraid themselves

Torchlight

(3,693 posts)
14. And often, an individual is unclear on their best interests as well.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 07:19 PM
Jun 9

And with the lessor, often just not clear on what their bests intersts are.

swimboy

(7,288 posts)
24. In my experience there are people who are stupid enough
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:15 PM
Jun 9

to make decisions that are counter to their real best interests. In fact, everyone does, if only in small measure.

ShazzieB

(17,051 posts)
33. Oh, piffle, people vote against their own interests all the time. 😉
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:56 PM
Jun 9

Not deliberately, not knowingly or intentionally. But people make decisions about who to vote for based on many factors, and for a lot of people, objective facts and infornation are close to the bottom of the list, if they're on it at all.

Some people will always vote Republican, for example, because it's what they have always done, what their parents have always done, etc. Far too many people consistently vote the same way all their lives,, out of sheer habit. They've always been told the Republicans are the "good guys," and the Democrats are dangerous radicals or some such thing, and it's never occurred to them to question that, especially if they've grown up and lived their whole lives surrounded by people who are in the same frame of mind.

People (not all, but far too many) often have little or no real information about each candidate's positions on the issues that affect them personally. Without such information, they don't even know if they're voting for someone who stands for things that would be beneficial to them personally. That makes it extremely easy to vote for someone who is going to try to take things in a way that runs counter to their needs and desires.

For a classic example, look at how many people voted for Trump even though they were benefiting from the Affordable Care Act, and Trump proclaimed that he wanted to repeal it. I had relatives who voted for Trump despite the fact that they had no health insurance and could have benefited greatly from the ACA. They never even bothered checking out the state's health care exchange website, all the kwhile telling anyone who would listen that Obamacare sucked because it was "too epensive" (I assume because that's what they were hearing on Fox Noise). They didn't just vote against their own interests; they didn't even take the time to find out where their interests lay.

Polybius

(15,783 posts)
47. 100% spot-on
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 08:17 PM
Jun 10

White women who vote Republican want a wall at the border, dislike Palestinians, don't approve of trans rights, want less spent on helping Ukraine, and many (not all) are anti-abortion. With views like that, of course they are voting for Trump.

Silver Gaia

(4,565 posts)
5. Wow. That was so powerful it brought tears.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 06:03 PM
Jun 9

My Mom did that her whole life. She gave Dad lip service to keep the peace, but she voted the way SHE wanted to once she was in the voting booth. Bless her for that. She voted for Obama and she voted for Hillary. Dad never knew that. It's sad it had to be that way, but it did, and it still does have to be that way for many women. But yeah, this woman is right on. They are gonna Gilead us if enough of us don't show up and vote blue.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,484 posts)
43. This is the advantage of the private voting booth at the precinct, but ...
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 02:37 PM
Jun 10

... perhaps the disadvantage of both mail-in ballots filled out at the kitchen table with no privacy.

I like the convenience of mail-in ballots, but don't care for the possibility of external pressures.

AverageOldGuy

(1,612 posts)
9. I'm a 79-yr-old white man . . .
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 06:27 PM
Jun 9

My daughter is marching for the rights for which her mother marched and for which her grandmother marched.

THIS SHIT HAS GOT TO STOP!!!

SoFlaBro

(2,331 posts)
16. I'm stereotyping but like Trae Crowder, it is always jarring to hear that accent promoting progressive values and ideas.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 07:25 PM
Jun 9

paleotn

(18,208 posts)
18. I have the accent too.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 07:50 PM
Jun 9

But can turn it on and off at will. Beware educated southerners.

In east Carolina, I have to interpret for my better half since she can't understand a thing some of them say. Though my accent is like Crowder's, I'm fluent in Norcalina and Deep South.

SoFlaBro

(2,331 posts)
19. Brett Butler used to joke about it, too. Wait, what is the difference between Norcalina and Deep South?
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 07:54 PM
Jun 9

paleotn

(18,208 posts)
25. Barely perceptible to the uninitiated.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:18 PM
Jun 9

You need 3 or 4 marbles in your mouth to do Norcalina properly. Southern accents are various mixes of drawl and twang. Crowder's accent has a lot of twang, upper south and Appalachians. Deep South has more drawl like Jimmy Carter's accent. North Carolina goes from twang in the west to mumble drawl in the east (Norcalina), to something incomprehensible out on Ocracoke and Harkers islands.

JustAnotherGen

(32,366 posts)
31. My dad was from Talladega
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:52 PM
Jun 9

Sounded like Foghorn Leghorn. He thought the best actor/portrayal of his state was Fred Gwynne in My Cousin Vinny.

SoFlaBro

(2,331 posts)
32. How can the accent vary across a state like that? Well, admittedly, northern FL sounds nothing like the south FL.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:56 PM
Jun 9

paleotn

(18,208 posts)
46. Odd but it does. At least to the ears of locals.
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 06:39 PM
Jun 10

Virginia is a real case in point. The west (Roanoke) sounds quite different than the eastern Tidewater (Newport News, Yorktown). Who settled where made the difference. The east is mostly of English extraction. Cavilers, thus UVA's mascot. The west was settled by Highland and Lowland Scots, Scots Irish from the Ulster Plantation and northern border English. Their old country accents were different and evolved into different southern accents I suppose. Some of my people brought their twang from the Shenandoah Valley down the great wagon road to Tennessee. Others, with the same mother accent, crossed the mountains from North Carolina. Fascinating stuff. When I hear native Scots or Irish speak, occasionally I'll pick up some of the same speech patterns as southern English. Maybe that's just me, but it makes me do a double take. "what did you just say? That sure sounded familiar"

patphil

(6,386 posts)
22. Reproductive slavery is real.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 07:57 PM
Jun 9

Women as second class citizens is real.
Women as property who are expected to serve their husbands is real.
Women dying young after birthing a dozen children is real.

This is the future the Republicans want for women. Is this the future women want?
Vote Democratic as if you and you're children and your children's children's children's freedom depends on it.
Because it does.

J_William_Ryan

(1,803 posts)
27. The
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:21 PM
Jun 9

problem is that Republican voters have been voting against their own interests for decades, not just Republican women.

JustAnotherGen

(32,366 posts)
35. I listen more than i speak
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:57 PM
Jun 9

When I'm at work and people are discussing current events - I keep my mouth shut.

I heard a bright, intelligent young mother of two state she feels abortion is something she will have to worry about for her daughters in 12 or 15 years - her grocery bill was what mattered now..

I spoke:
Don't worry. Its gone. Your daughters won't get it back until they are my age. Roe and I were *born* in the same year.

Its already happening.

Next its birth control. Mark me.


She was singing a different song the next day after researching it a bit. Facts matter.

slightlv

(3,192 posts)
41. I feel some of these people who vote against their
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 02:01 PM
Jun 10

interests, whether R's or just uninformed voters, are the stuck in their teenage years, maturity-wise. They never grew up. Teenagers feel like whatever "it" is, "it" will never happen to them. These voters who vote against their interests are the same way... whatever we way is against their common interests, "it" will never happen to them. When it DOES happen to them or someone they know or love, they'll always find someone else to blame it on. Like teenagers, they can't accept responsibility for their own actions.

And yes, I know there are a heck of a lot of mature teenagers out there -- some mature way beyond their years. But as a whole, this whole "young adult" stage is a daredevil kind of group where danger of any kind is concerned. JMO... YMMV.

TheKentuckian

(25,190 posts)
44. Maybe interests are not as heavily weighted as values or even
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 03:05 PM
Jun 10

what us valued more than is commonly thought?

At this late stage I'd say it isn't even in the benefit of the wealthy to vote Republican.

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