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Looks like China is about to invade Taiwan.. (Original Post) DemocratInPa May 2024 OP
Also looks like they are starting to Armada civilian vessels and ships.. DemocratInPa May 2024 #1
Trump's "buddies" are starting wars to help IQ 45 get elected. GreenWave May 2024 #2
more distractions during election periods . AllaN01Bear May 2024 #3
And hoping to decrease our aid for Ukraine by adding another conflict Raven123 May 2024 #5
Keep in mind our defense posture has always been... getagrip_already May 2024 #15
Our 2 war posture has been gone for over a decade DetroitLegalBeagle May 2024 #23
Troop levels can quickly inflate, that is not an issue getagrip_already May 2024 #25
Yes, a rapid draft can swell ranks. yagotme May 2024 #67
Yes to put Biden in difficult situations, three wars. Irish_Dem May 2024 #13
All 3 countries run by people who hate Biden and Democrats/Democracy. BComplex May 2024 #14
Ukraine and Taiwan don't hate Biden and the US. Irish_Dem May 2024 #16
China and Russia and Netanyahu (Israel) DO. BComplex May 2024 #20
BS - Ukraine does not hate democracy or Biden! Neither does Taiwan getagrip_already May 2024 #19
Ukraine is being attacked by Russia: Putin hates Biden and Democracy in the US. BComplex May 2024 #21
You are seriously mistaken about Ukraine and Taiwan VMA131Marine May 2024 #24
See post #21 BComplex May 2024 #30
Damn. a kennedy May 2024 #4
Taiwan isnt completely helpless... revmclaren May 2024 #6
Taiwan.. DemocratInPa May 2024 #9
If we cede without allowing any return fire MutantAndProud May 2024 #10
Unfortunately, we will quickly become involved revmclaren May 2024 #11
Your sensationalizing China. pwb May 2024 #31
China worries me.. DemocratInPa May 2024 #33
Very patriotic of you on Memorial Day weekend. pwb May 2024 #35
That is what people said Woodwizard May 2024 #45
Are you confusing putting something together with technology? pwb May 2024 #46
Whatever Woodwizard May 2024 #56
Almost every reply pwb May 2024 #61
Fine my opinon like yours, Woodwizard May 2024 #62
LOL sarisataka May 2024 #42
No way. Elessar Zappa May 2024 #44
Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about. BannonsLiver May 2024 #51
"China actually might have more and better technical weaponry than us" Polybius May 2024 #65
Yeah, but it's a big neighborhood. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2024 #36
NATO has nothing to do with the Pacific sarisataka May 2024 #41
NATO is not in East Asia RazorbackExpat May 2024 #49
When was the last successful Communist China amphibious JCMach1 May 2024 #58
Someone should remind China that amphibious operations VMA131Marine May 2024 #26
I wonder how Taiwan is on drones? It seems like that's the name of the game now. Imagine what a huge swarm of drones brewens May 2024 #29
Taiwan actually gave Ukraine some drones a while back RazorbackExpat May 2024 #50
I din't have time to read the article but, Disaffected May 2024 #37
Yes. If Taiwan were to retaliate by taking out the revmclaren May 2024 #38
Thanks, I wonder if Disaffected May 2024 #43
No info in the article that supports your statement Kaleva May 2024 #7
You can research.. I am not DemocratInPa May 2024 #8
Belief and actionable intelligence / MutantAndProud May 2024 #12
You make the claim, it's up to you to support it. Kaleva May 2024 #39
I don't think they will do it if Biden is in office CanonRay May 2024 #17
Yes Trump would just hand Taiwan to China. Irish_Dem May 2024 #22
No price. LuvLoogie May 2024 #53
Trump will still try to shake down China and Putin. Irish_Dem May 2024 #57
Slightly hyperbolic headline sarisataka May 2024 #18
Post removed Post removed May 2024 #27
It was a demonstration via military exercises Voltaire2 May 2024 #28
Xi Jinping didn't reach the top of Chinese politics by gambling. Torchlight May 2024 #32
Seems like misinformation to me. AnrothElf May 2024 #34
I sure could use a market crash on Tuesday... WarGamer May 2024 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author RazorbackExpat May 2024 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author RazorbackExpat May 2024 #48
This thread is a laugh riot BannonsLiver May 2024 #52
I see nothing in that article edhopper May 2024 #54
here DemocratInPa May 2024 #59
That is an unreliable source edhopper May 2024 #60
Because it goes against what you think.. DemocratInPa May 2024 #63
It's from Belarus edhopper May 2024 #64
Much as you are ignoring sources and reposnses in this thread running counter your own Torchlight May 2024 #66
Looks like Grand Fenwick is about to invade the USA, too. DFW May 2024 #55

Raven123

(5,828 posts)
5. And hoping to decrease our aid for Ukraine by adding another conflict
Sun May 26, 2024, 04:52 PM
May 2024

Give us one more area conflict that requires our assistance. So that’s what the Putin-Xi meeting was about.

getagrip_already

(16,942 posts)
15. Keep in mind our defense posture has always been...
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:41 PM
May 2024

A two major war preparedness plan. We have planned, and prepared for, a situation where we fight two near peer adversaries at the same time.

Do we want to do that? He'll no, but it's what we have prepared for.

It's what our force structure is built for.

China is facing a severe economic crisis at home. This may be real, or it may be a distraction.

I don't think they want a war with us, which is where this will go.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,085 posts)
23. Our 2 war posture has been gone for over a decade
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:55 PM
May 2024

Obama Era defense posture reviews started downgrading the 2 major war posture to defeating 1 enemy while having the ability to inflict unacceptable losses to another. Trump era language further downgraded it to defeating 1 enemy while deterring another. Then Bidens reviews have largely kept the trump era language. The US military has been shrinking for years now, with most branches repeatedly missing their enlistment goals year over year.

getagrip_already

(16,942 posts)
25. Troop levels can quickly inflate, that is not an issue
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:08 PM
May 2024

Between national guard and reserves, we can still field a sizeable forcee. And if needed, a rapid draft would swell ranks substantially.

Not an issue.

Equipment reserves also not an.issue.

Don't underestimate the pain we can create if we need to.

yagotme

(3,810 posts)
67. Yes, a rapid draft can swell ranks.
Tue May 28, 2024, 04:53 PM
May 2024

Substantially. But not quickly. Or prepared. Do you want good, or fast? You can only pick one. And that's who goes into harm's way.

BComplex

(8,919 posts)
14. All 3 countries run by people who hate Biden and Democrats/Democracy.
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:35 PM
May 2024

All 3 countries ruled by assholes who want trump to win and destroy America.

BComplex

(8,919 posts)
20. China and Russia and Netanyahu (Israel) DO.
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:50 PM
May 2024

The aggressors willing to start the mentioned wars DO hate Biden and Democrats/Democracy in the US.

getagrip_already

(16,942 posts)
19. BS - Ukraine does not hate democracy or Biden! Neither does Taiwan
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:45 PM
May 2024

Where fid you get that?

Attacking Taiwan would be a different.line. it would directly draw us into war. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Taiwan is a full ally and has never criticized us. Neither has ukrsine, except to complain it isn't getting aid fast enough, which it wasnt.

BComplex

(8,919 posts)
21. Ukraine is being attacked by Russia: Putin hates Biden and Democracy in the US.
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:53 PM
May 2024

Taiwan is being threatened by China: Xi & his government hate Biden and Democrats/Democracy in the US. Israel is ruled by Netanyahu and his right wing extremist government: Netanyahu hates Biden and Democrats in the US.

VMA131Marine

(4,466 posts)
24. You are seriously mistaken about Ukraine and Taiwan
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:00 PM
May 2024

And certainly the U.S. has friends in Israel just not Netanyahu (or is it Netanyahu-yahoo).

But, hey, you do you.

revmclaren

(2,613 posts)
6. Taiwan isnt completely helpless...
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:02 PM
May 2024

'Kills tens of millions’: Taiwan’s chilling message for China


Beijing has claimed Taiwan is “dreaming” if it thinks it can defend itself, but the island of 23 million may not be as helpless as they think.






https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/kills-tens-of-millions-taiwans-chilling-message-for-china/news-story/820c97614a7452299f068fac99d71eb6

Taiwan's own form of M.A.D.

 

DemocratInPa

(743 posts)
9. Taiwan..
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:12 PM
May 2024

Def can defend themselves, but they are going to be greatly outnumbered in man power, weapons, and technology.. This sadly isn't going to be like Ukraine. China has the capabilities to take Taiwan back pretty fast.

I am not sure what the US, or anyone will do, if anything. US I am sure will support Taiwan with hardware, but this might be one they chose to use more diplomatic then anything.

 

MutantAndProud

(855 posts)
10. If we cede without allowing any return fire
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:22 PM
May 2024

Russia and China will both be emboldened to move forward into new regions repeatedly.

I wonder if providing Taiwan with preemptive strike capability (if they don’t possess it already) to deploy upon confirmation of incoming attacks would blunt any attempted invasion and make it hurt sufficiently to stop them. China has internal maintenance requirements that can only extend to so many fronts. US military intelligence will likely be relied on for more accurate assessments and strategizing, assuming they haven’t already set something in motion. Luckily they have a terrain advantage, just not numbers.

revmclaren

(2,613 posts)
11. Unfortunately, we will quickly become involved
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:26 PM
May 2024

especially if Guam and other bases are threatened.

Biden has already stated that the U.S. will come to Taiwan’s defense and because of this, China may strike our bases first.

And if North Korea enters the frey...all bets are off.

pwb

(12,082 posts)
31. Your sensationalizing China.
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:55 PM
May 2024

You have heard of NATO right? China is only a bully in the neighborhood.

 

DemocratInPa

(743 posts)
33. China worries me..
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:05 PM
May 2024

Russia has weaponary from the Stone Age.. China doesn't.. and I 100% believe China has weapons hidden nobody knows about. They are very secretive.

China actually might have more and better technical weaponry than us.

pwb

(12,082 posts)
35. Very patriotic of you on Memorial Day weekend.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:12 PM
May 2024

Have you ever bought anything made in china? Their weapons are just as shitty.

Woodwizard

(955 posts)
45. That is what people said
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:57 PM
May 2024

About stuff made in japan especially their cars in the 70's. China has a huge manufacturing base and can make high quality. Where do you think most American branded tools come from?

And look around your house I bet over 80 percent of appliances especially electronics are made in China.

pwb

(12,082 posts)
46. Are you confusing putting something together with technology?
Mon May 27, 2024, 07:55 AM
May 2024

They steal technology and copy it, especially military equipment. Neither China or Russia are a pimple on our ass when it comes to anything. IMO. It is sad to think Americans believe like you do.

Woodwizard

(955 posts)
56. Whatever
Mon May 27, 2024, 11:33 AM
May 2024

It is sad you underestimate what China is capable of.
Our companies outsourced manufacturing to China starting in the mid 90's. If you want to bounce around and say we are the best fine.

I was in manufacturing and watched it happen.
To think the Chinese can't improve on tech or innovate is interesting do you think they are stupid?

It is not belief it is fact.

As for stealing tech where do you think we got our rocket technology? Germany after WW2.

pwb

(12,082 posts)
61. Almost every reply
Mon May 27, 2024, 02:14 PM
May 2024

calls bullshit on your post. So there's that. 2 recs. This will be the last time I kick this crap up again. Pushing fear is pukey.

Woodwizard

(955 posts)
62. Fine my opinon like yours,
Mon May 27, 2024, 02:47 PM
May 2024

Is irrelevant I am not here to figh or argue.

I served my country but it is people and policies that make it and it is going in the wrong direction for decades.

sarisataka

(20,448 posts)
42. LOL
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:03 PM
May 2024
China actually might have more and better technical weaponry than us.


More, definitely. Better- only in fiction novels.

BannonsLiver

(17,474 posts)
51. Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:36 AM
May 2024

Polybius

(16,910 posts)
65. "China actually might have more and better technical weaponry than us"
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:18 PM
May 2024

If only you knew what the US has hidden. Stuff that they would only use if we were losing a World War. Straight-up Star Wars tech.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,685 posts)
36. Yeah, but it's a big neighborhood.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:32 PM
May 2024

South China Sea, Arctic Ocean, Philippines, Indonesia, South America, Africa, lots of targets.

sarisataka

(20,448 posts)
41. NATO has nothing to do with the Pacific
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:00 PM
May 2024

And is a non-issue for China or Taiwan.

Taiwan however would not stand alone. The US and Japan will support them, probably Australia as well.

RazorbackExpat

(137 posts)
49. NATO is not in East Asia
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:28 AM
May 2024

There was talk about opening a NATO office in Tokyo, but so far it's been just that-- talk.

JCMach1

(27,873 posts)
58. When was the last successful Communist China amphibious
Mon May 27, 2024, 11:36 AM
May 2024

Operation?

Not going to happen unless Taiwan gets subverted from within

VMA131Marine

(4,466 posts)
26. Someone should remind China that amphibious operations
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:14 PM
May 2024

can be extremely difficult even after extensive training and having the right equipment. China doesn’t have that. Nor does its army have any real experience in combined operations.

And Taiwan has submarines that can sink Chinese ships.

brewens

(15,123 posts)
29. I wonder how Taiwan is on drones? It seems like that's the name of the game now. Imagine what a huge swarm of drones
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:40 PM
May 2024

could do to an amphibious assault?

RazorbackExpat

(137 posts)
50. Taiwan actually gave Ukraine some drones a while back
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:32 AM
May 2024

I haven't heard anything about their use in the field, though.

Disaffected

(4,903 posts)
37. I din't have time to read the article but,
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:36 PM
May 2024

is the Three Gorges dam mentioned? Breaching that dam would have devastating consequences for millions of Chinese.

revmclaren

(2,613 posts)
38. Yes. If Taiwan were to retaliate by taking out the
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:43 PM
May 2024

dam, 10s of millions could perish and a third of China could be decimated.

This is might be Taiwans Mutually Asured Destruction threat.

Disaffected

(4,903 posts)
43. Thanks, I wonder if
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:27 PM
May 2024

such action is militarily feasible (I imagine the structure would be v heavily defended).

Not that I would ever want to see such an event - it would be a calamity of major proportions, akin to a large scale nuclear strike.

 

DemocratInPa

(743 posts)
8. You can research.. I am not
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:09 PM
May 2024

Posting every site that had shown what is happening..A few days ago China military totally surrounded Taiwan.

Sadly, it's only a matter of time, alot of experts believe China will start their mission in Taiwan in june.

 

MutantAndProud

(855 posts)
12. Belief and actionable intelligence /
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:27 PM
May 2024

Are not the same.

They have held drills and flyovers for years and are never shy about declaring their intent. That doesn’t mean they can, or can without significant consequences.

This is also why the chip fabrication plants have been announced to have technology to destroy their equipment in case capture appears imminent, and we have been moving manufacturing away as tolerable for a while.

Software support would likely be supplied by US gov if their update servers (for various electronic brands) were unable to operate.

Kaleva

(37,674 posts)
39. You make the claim, it's up to you to support it.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:57 PM
May 2024

Instead of an article that doesn't support your statement, why didn't you post some from credible sources that do?


Otherwise, this would be similar to Magahats saying the 2020 election was stolen but they aren't going to post all the evidence that proves it.

Response to DemocratInPa (Original post)

Torchlight

(4,124 posts)
32. Xi Jinping didn't reach the top of Chinese politics by gambling.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:00 PM
May 2024

Ferrying troops through a gauntlet of Taiwanese, US and Japanese ships, missiles, submarines, mines and drones could potnentialy be the biggesst risk he'd ever take. There was a reason Operation Sealion never happened, and it wasn't because of sea lions thinking again.

Beijing’s attempts to intimidate the US government into abandoning support for Taiwan have failed. Helping Taiwan to defend itself remains bipartisan US policy, even supported by Republican politicians who want to stop arming Ukraine. Despite the longstanding US policy of “strategic ambiguity”, President Biden has publicly stated four times that US forces would intervene in Taiwan’s defence.

Xi needs merely to avoid Taiwan declaring formal independence. If Taiwan did do so, Xi would probably opt for war. But even Taiwanese governments controlled by the Democratic Progressive Party, which rejects the idea of Taiwan being part of China, have shown that they will not cross this line.

Xi reached the pinnacle of the Party hierarchy through a career of careful positioning and quiet ruthlessness, not by taking grand gambles. Since then, he has shown a preference for grey-zone tactics. I see no convincing reason to expect him to rush to a military showdown over Taiwan.

WarGamer

(14,377 posts)
40. I sure could use a market crash on Tuesday...
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:59 PM
May 2024

Drop 5k in some 0DTE put options and have a new truck by the end of the day...

Markets go up, they go down... just give me volatility and I can make money.

Response to DemocratInPa (Original post)

Response to DemocratInPa (Original post)

edhopper

(34,441 posts)
60. That is an unreliable source
Mon May 27, 2024, 01:01 PM
May 2024

from Belarus.

I asked for you to support your sensationalidtic statement with the article you posted.

edhopper

(34,441 posts)
64. It's from Belarus
Mon May 27, 2024, 07:02 PM
May 2024

It is not a reliable source.
You posted an article that did not say what you said it did.
And to prove you weren't wrong, you posted a twitter feed from Belarus.
Do you have any News from Russia State TV to also back you up?

Torchlight

(4,124 posts)
66. Much as you are ignoring sources and reposnses in this thread running counter your own
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:54 PM
May 2024

Once those counters are spoken to and for, credibility may possibly resume; lacking as much however, reflects a series of simple assertions as more an editorial than analysis.

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