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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAlright already, enough of the only one "t" sound in the word important.
I absolutely lose 90-99% of my respect for someone's message when they tell me how imporunt it is to hear what they have to say. Why is this happening? Is it to associate oneself with something cool? What is the game? Do we understand that the punch line for this perversion of the English language includes the perpetrators laughing behind our backs at how "hook, line and sinker" gullible and "grab shiny thing" groupyesque this proves us to be?
Is it really important enough to artificially and intentionally alter your speech to conform with another stupid fad? Please, somebody disabuse me of this aggravation. Explain why it shouldn't bother me when I am assailed with evidence proving that the species is ever accelerating in its relentless self-debasement and well-deserved extinction.
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RandomNumbers
(17,732 posts)I guess I'm missing some imporunt stuff by staying mostly away from social media these days?
Or is there some other important context to this that whizzed by me?
viva la
(3,471 posts)I teach college students (stu-ens, as they would say), and I have to hold myself back from correcting the ones who skip the middle consonants.
But we all have our speech idiosyncrasies, I know.
claudette
(3,724 posts)Except I think the letter "t" is pronounced twice in the word "important." If it's pronounced correctly.
Shermann
(7,708 posts)Fla Dem
(24,300 posts)Impor ant
Or
Impo rant
To be honest, I've never heard either variation used.
niyad
(115,116 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,541 posts)in its...well-deserved extinction."
That escalated rather quickly.
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)That's what I need to hear.
LudwigPastorius
(9,541 posts)what you think people who don't pronounce the first "r" in February deserve to get.
ProfessorGAC
(66,261 posts)If it's a kid at a school where I'm subbing, I correct them.
If it's an adult they deserve to be ignored!
viva la
(3,471 posts)It is interesting how most of us drop that R in FeBEWary.
I remember from linguistics class that letter combos that are hard to pronounce quickly often evolve. So "IN" before "P" becomes "IMP"== impending, impressing. And the T before CH is seldom emphasized, so "witch" sounds like "which".
For that matter, we're supposed to have an extra whoosh of breath when we speak "wh".
But... most of us don't bother.
(BTW, why do the Brits say the letter H as "Haich", but then often don't pronounce it-- "Hugh" is 'You"-?)
muriel_volestrangler
(101,630 posts)It's been a joke for decades.
The 't' of 'tch' is never emphasised, though, in British English. In what accent is it?
Well done for mentioning the "hw" pronunciation of "wh", which ought to make a difference between "whales" and "Wales", "where" and "wear", "what" and "watt", and so on.
viva la
(3,471 posts)Mary
Marry
Merry
We midwestern students all pronounced them identically. Seriously, none of us knew they're supposed to sound different!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,630 posts)A normal British accent says them all differently; but the ultra-upper-class, Royal accent says them with a short 'e' - "marry merry Mary" becomes "merry merry Merry".
Foolacious
(499 posts)They sound different in some dialects, not in others.
mahina
(17,977 posts)jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)sl8
(14,761 posts)Youtube / Dvdmitch
Hermit-The-Prog
(34,308 posts)HAB911
(9,067 posts)American English is malleable to the extreme. My pet peeve?
I mean, when did every spoken sentence begin with, "I mean......"?
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)But what about the silent t's? There's no way that's anything but somnolent cult shit. What's next, splitting the ends of the tongue for that "true lisp" experience?
dhol82
(9,370 posts)Probably even in Queens but I would-t know fa shu.
Marthe48
(17,572 posts)I don't drop into every conversation, even if so at the beginning of a sentence gives that intimation. And on written posts, when someone deliverately adds the unnecessary so, I get het up
Diamond_Dog
(32,624 posts)Im a regular Jeopardy watcher. In the contestant interview segment, host Ken Jennings will lead a contestant to tell a story about themselves, and 90% of the time, the contestant begins his or her anecdote with So
. I know in the grand scheme of things hearing SO much SO is a trivial matter, but it does annoy me. It seems to be a thing now.
viva la
(3,471 posts)"I mean" should logically come AFTER something you need to translate or explain.
I have to admit, however, that I very often start a sentence with "So..."
"So where are you going on vacation?"
"So I never did get all my grading one."
"So" is supposed to show some causal relationship--
"So that's why I never married."
But I use it almost like "Well...."
Qutzupalotl
(14,442 posts)In seriousness, I first heard the speech pattern you're referring to in the inexplicably popular phrase, Oh no, you di-un. I share your view that they both sound stupid.
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)mcar
(42,719 posts)Impor'ant, Pu'in, Cli'in.
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)GenThePerservering
(2,007 posts)which went on about politicians dropping the 'g' at the end of (generally) gerunds.
The writer drove into the ground something people have been doing for hundreds of years and assigned it some dire social meaning. I don't think they predicted the extinction of our species, though - those are big words for small things.
gulliver
(13,254 posts)I kid the Texans. I have family there.
SARose
(420 posts)Please dont tell my Mama I work in da awl bidness - she thinks Im a piano player in a whorehouse. 😉
Ms. Toad
(34,437 posts)I haven't figured out if it is a local dialect (like "needs fixed" rather than needs to be fixed."
But it certainly isn't an affectation - it is how most of the people they hear speak sound - they swallow the initial t. The pause for it is still there - it is just that the sound vanished.
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)You'll know when they've robbed you of your digni-y. Replacing it with a "help wan-ed" sign.
Ms. Toad
(34,437 posts)I hear it in every walk of life, In both Democrats and Republicans (If I had to put a prevalence, I hear it more from Democrats than Republicans). I first noticed it repeatedly from NPR personnel.
In the same way that people in Western Pennsylvania and NE Ohio omit "to be" between needs and a future perfect tense verb.
Nothing political at all about it.
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)They shared and had commonality in all things but sunrise and sunset over the stream. And that insignificant difference was the factor needed to differentiate, recognize and nominate, that difference. In the mid-summer, when the stream ran dry it took a conscious effort to remember who-was-who. Thus, the gathering of those who were already identical, the essence of politics.
obamanut2012
(26,353 posts)Important, dentist, and also some other Ts, like in Sacramento. Many Sac nattives slur the T btw.
For me, it is a learned regional thing from where I grew up. Not unusual.
Diamond_Dog
(32,624 posts)![](/emoticons/grr.gif)
John1956PA
(2,804 posts)Recently, I was surprised to find someone in North Carolina using it.
Hekate
(91,792 posts)jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)Hekate
(91,792 posts)
.lots of other examples. I just dont know enough about regional American accents East of the California border to say if this has always been part of, say, Appalachia or what, and maybe spreading through television programs.
Hawaiian has a lot of glottal stops and macrons, tho they werent being written out when I was a kid on Oahu. But my Mom always taught us standard English and insisted on the pronunciation in Websters. Clin-ton. Whhhale.
happybird
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Hekate
(91,792 posts)He said I sounded like a schoolmarm suddenly I laughed and said I come from five generations of schoolmarms! It was a great line, I guess, because people were startled. One of my great-greats taught in a sod hut in Nebraska.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,763 posts)I suppose some folks were mad when we stopped pronouncing the k in knight and know back in the 1700s.
"All right" is generally written as two words, by the way, although common practice has been trying to make "alright" happen for decades. Language is a blast.
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)But this has the ring of social media experimenting with items beyond its ability to appreciate. For lucre! Experimental consumer based analysis of influences on the credit card laden American teenager gone amok. Why the "t's"? It's just too arbitrary to be organic.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,763 posts)Do you have any evidence of this "experimentation" or "consumer based analysis," other than the fact that it really bugs you?
I do not have a clue as to why they are dropping the t. There are people I can barely understand who live in the south. Sorry southerners if I just insulted you. Know this, my mother was from Arkansas and as a youngster, I sometimes did not understand the family when we visited. My mother lost her southern drawl after she moved away.
John1956PA
(2,804 posts)Years ago, in a DU thread, a poster replied "Thanks. I must of got lost somewhere down the line." when the OP was about the improper substitution of the word "of" for the word "have."
As an aside, I am a fan of the J. Geils Band which is from New England.
obamanut2012
(26,353 posts)It isn't some experiment lol
Good grief.
obamanut2012
(26,353 posts)In any word. It is a regional dialect. I do not get the OP.
Torchlight
(3,693 posts)That conscious and willful malignancy wrought upon this nation, this people, and this land by barbarians, the uncouth, the debased, and the wicked; in short, anyone who doesn't speak as I do.
ProfessorGAC
(66,261 posts)Funny post!
Xavier Breath
(3,835 posts)as these guys. Am I close?
LeftInTX
(26,343 posts)![](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57977b87440243b7dd44cd40/1511241811600-Y3PDA98MVABM99LOWALC/Pecans-pronunciation-sm.jpeg)
Xavier Breath
(3,835 posts)I promise from now I will pronounce it as "puh-
SarahD
(1,678 posts)I pronounce it pee-KAHN but there is no way I will.say PEE-can or peh-CAN or anything else is wrong. It's a regional thing. I just bake the little buggers into pies and collect the compliments.
Torchlight
(3,693 posts)Said about four different ways in my neck of the TX woods, and I figure they're all about right 'cause we all now what it means. But we still sit around the table and laugh at the way we each say it.
betsuni
(26,346 posts)gets in a mood and has the weird affectation of pronouncing "s" as "sh" -- "similar" becomes "shimilar" and so on, and Alyssa constantly waves her arms around and points with her little fingers.
I'm annoyed and then get annoyed with myself for being annoyed.
Raven123
(5,148 posts)How many times did we hear President George W. Bush say nucular?
dpibel
(2,968 posts)and as much as the pronunciation gives me the willies, I could never get too accusatory when Bush did it, because Jimmy Carter also said "nucular." And he was trained as a nucular engineer.
Skittles
(154,097 posts)very irritating
Alpeduez21
(1,783 posts)You must think you dont have an accent. You do have one and Im sure some effete highbrow is as irritated by yours as you are of mine.
vanlassie
(5,736 posts)It started with rappers. It was cool. It spread through a 20-30 year old age group. I witnessed it with horror.
Skittles
(154,097 posts)it is a MISPRONUNCIATION
Alpeduez21
(1,783 posts)What is it then? I am gen-u-whinely confused. Does New England mispronounce park?
Skittles
(154,097 posts)yes, I live in TEXAS
I'll put it this way - if I say pe-CAN and you say PE-can, that's accent - if either one of us says pe-DAN or PE-dan, that is not pronouncing the word correctly
DONE HERE
piddyprints
(14,658 posts)Impordint as well. its like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,432 posts)niyad
(115,116 posts)joke: a guy is going to have a vasectomy, and he arrives at the clinic wearing a tuxedo. The doctor, quite puzzled, asks him why he is wearing a tuxedo to have a vasectomy. The guy replies, "If I am going to be im po tent, I am going to look im po tant."
happybird
(4,814 posts)The first time I noticed it was several years ago on a PBS commercial. It was a mother talking about how excited and surprised she was to see an autistic kid character on the cartoon Arthur, and how important it was for her autistic son to see a character like him. Near the end she reiterated, Its so impoor-ent, so impoor-ent. With strange emphasis on the -ent.
That pronunciation drove me bonkers! And that commercial played allll the time. Figured it was maybe a regional thing and they didnt hail from my area? But now Im starting to hear it everywhere. Arg!
(Shes right- Arthur is a great show!)
Edit: My bad, it was Aspergers, not autism. Trying to find the commercial on YouTube but no luck yet.
Think. Again.
(10,369 posts)What REALLY bugs me is when people add sounds when they don't exist. I physically gringe when someone says "hithe" when the word they they meant to use is "height".
Xavier Breath
(3,835 posts)Maybe it's just a grocery store thing
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LeftInTX
(26,343 posts)I'm going to Walmarts...
Diamond_Dog
(32,624 posts)Were having macaronis for dinner. I bought them at Walmarts.
Blues Heron
(5,992 posts)I looked up the history of it a few years ago when a luthier referred to the heighth of the strings.
Think. Again.
(10,369 posts)...it had something to do with people using "heighth" in conjunction with "width".
Blues Heron
(5,992 posts)Think. Again.
(10,369 posts)jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)Alpeduez21
(1,783 posts)rather than assuming the worst of them by how they say it
viva la
(3,471 posts)It's fairly common for British speakers to slide over middle consonants. But I'm hearing it a lot more here now, among young people. "Dint" instead of "Didn't" and "cou-ent" for "couldn't."
People have different accents and speech habits, but this is one that seems unhooked to region or accent or class. For some reason, I get annoyed by it more than other pronunciation issues. It's like that "vocal fry".
bigtree
(86,358 posts)...I really can't see the problem.
Language is fungible.
0rganism
(24,112 posts)My personal gripe triggers when people say "begs the question" when they really mean "raises the question", practically the opposite of what they just said. It's not just personal talk or social media, some of my favorite shows include this mistake and it pisses me off for about 5 seconds every time.
Anyway, I recommend a proportional response that avoids unnecessary catastrophizing. Language abuse is pretty common, and frankly English harbors enough resilient irregularity to get abused repeatedly while remaining quite popular.
Jim__
(14,181 posts)Aristus
(66,911 posts)Mrs. Aristus, living her entire life in the Pacific Northwest, says "impor-tint".
Alpeduez21
(1,783 posts)yorkster
(1,642 posts)says "anacid after anacid". I've been hearing this for "twenny" years.
Scrivener7
(51,244 posts)Most Americans don't pronounce it. Just like we don't pronounce it in "lightning."
SarahD
(1,678 posts)Just for fun.
Blues Heron
(5,992 posts)Puh (for put) and Mow-in (for mountain)
definitely a trend, maybe imporid from Scotland?
Pinback
(12,219 posts)mahina
(17,977 posts)She sounds like an illiterate goon, which she is.
WarGamer
(12,930 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,449 posts)Bettie
(16,270 posts)"Purple Mountain Majesties" instead of "Purple mountains' majesty" .....high school.
ETA:: Also, the (the kids in school) say important that way all the time.
Stardust Mirror
(444 posts)is how people from Georgia seem to pronounce it
Easterncedar
(2,552 posts)Gah. And the first N in environment. Everyone does it. I need to develop selective hearing. Im getting crankier all the time.
And dont get me started on the glottal stop in place of the Ts in mittens and mountains.
Happy Hoosier
(7,640 posts)
of English dialects.
Its quite common in British dialects.
Language evolves. We dont speak now the way we did 100 years ago.
obamanut2012
(26,353 posts)Most people I know do. All educated people. It is regional dialects, etc.
The OP is perplexing
claudette
(3,724 posts)when "mass" and "quantity" are not spoken of correctly. Drives me nuts!
For example, the ad for siggi yogurt on TV - they say "LESS calories"- it should be FEWER calories (quantity) not less. They say "less" sugar (mass) which is correct, but make my blood run cold with the "less calories" mistake!!! It's a GRAMMAR school English lesson.
SarahD
(1,678 posts)I.know, right? I used to correct people who blundered off the true path of less vs. fewer. But I was losing friends too quickly, so I blew it off. I get along better with people, but there is a little part of me, deep down inside, crying to be let out and go all OCD on grammar and usage offenders.
claudette
(3,724 posts)if that is Even still taught in schools!! Other languages know the difference!!😊
intrepidity
(7,518 posts)after "nuclear" was repeatedly mangled by people who should've known better, and reading Merriam Webster defend alternate pronunciations of words as a valid evolution of language. So now I just try to not care.
dobleremolque
(519 posts)Iggo
(47,738 posts)That question works way better in a live setting
lol.
And, just so you know I do have a dog in this fight, I pronounce it:
impornt
.thats three syllables with a glottal stop where the apostrophe is and no vowel sound for the 3rd syllable, just nt.
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,941 posts)Patterson
(1,543 posts)and it bugs the crap out of me.
GenThePerservering
(2,007 posts)![](/emoticons/eyes.gif)
BlueSpot
(873 posts)That was my thought. Leave out a letter here and there to make it easier. People can figure out words from fragments. I'm making this up as I go along but why couldn't a texting thing turn into a spoken language thing? Language evolves. Technology evolves even faster.
What dost thee think?
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)flamingdem
(39,381 posts)Is that a regional thing? New Yawkers dropped the extra T I believe.
I think it sounds so forced and so ... youth fad ish .. to say impor"T"ant.
My theory was that this extra emphasis was due to speakers of Spanish influencing youth.
Have I been sounding like an idiot all along.....????
Silent3
(15,643 posts)...or "stop t", as described in this video someone else poster in this thread already?
Do you prefer/expect two fully-pronounced "t" sounds, which is and has been uncommon for decades?
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)But there is a subtle pause which seems to hang over and through the "an", making way for a resounding "t" at the end. I've heard some languages make "important" into a 4 syllable word, adding an additional e at the end, pronounced "ahntay". So, no, my gripe is not with common and traditional usage.
I only speak English and as poorly as most, I'm sure, but this abomination smacks of intentional disregard, if not an all-out assault on a language based on an attempt to disrupt the societal norm. A sabotage, if you will. Entertaining in that light but when it begins to be spoken in confident tones by otherwise educated and presumably erudite people it has gone too far. Are they deaf to my disgust? At my patience's end, I must and hereby declare in the company of fellows, I am one among the host who says "TEE", we embody those who proudly say "TEE".
We are the knights who say Tee.........., of course, who wouldn' have seen that coming?
JoseBalow
(3,160 posts)![](https://media.tenor.com/images/777f47407304b517b30921d59c25d871/tenor.gif)
canetoad
(17,324 posts)Neither do grammar and spelling bloopers on DU.
John Shaft
(460 posts)You ok?
doc03
(35,619 posts)malaise
(270,989 posts)I corrected my two Florida nephews over and over
ColinC
(8,549 posts)We could be living in an era where two of the most politically influential people in the country are the hosts of The Apprentice and Fear Factor.
Thank god that hasnt happened!
MineralMan
(146,440 posts)People are lazy about speech. It's a bit difficult to get the "t" in there after the "r" in "important." It requires some movement of the tongue. So, people drop the "t" or use some other vocal stop to indicate it. There are lots of words like that. Some people make the effort, but many others do not.
I do pronounce the "t" in "often," at least most of the time. I don't hear it often, though, from others. My wife, for example, is slightly bothered by my pronunciation of that word.
In the end, it doesn't matter much. I'm far more annoyed by the non-rhotic speech of the British. Of course, it is their language, but "received pronunciation" just annoys me. I don't make a thing of it, though. It really doesn't matter.
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)to the first "t" in important.
Perhaps, as a matter of stress on the importance of the word, the first "t" might receive a full blown "tuh" sound, im-por-Tant. "It is important to steer the car away from oncoming traffic.", or, "We interrupt this program for an important message from NOAA about a tornado in your front yard." I would have a very difficult time lending credibility to any full-grown person saying imporunt when advising about imminent public danger.
*"subtle" is, clearly, a word that deserves mockery. It's, obviously, the result of a misprint which the original printer was too ashamed/narcissistic to correct. At this point, "subtle" would be over-the-moon to be pronounced "sub-ul" or even "su-ul" (the latter of which is fast on the way).
LeftInTX
(26,343 posts)jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)![](/emoticons/headbang.gif)
obamanut2012
(26,353 posts)Most of us do it. Educated, older Americans do not say those Ts.
No different rhan not saying the B in subtle.
jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)from educated and older Americans, no less. The consensus-trap of accepting/adapting deleterious things hasn't changed much since. You haven't been paying enough attention to get what I'm talking about. A, not so kindly, reminder of how others think is not likely to tune my radar. Nor should it anyone else's.
LeftInTX
(26,343 posts)I was shocked to see it spelled, "often". It was my first experience with a "silent" letter. It may have been the first word that I mispelled. I even remember asking my mom about it. I must have been in first grade.
yorkster
(1,642 posts)I call it the Anderson Cooper effect, as he does it quite often and I hear it consistently all over the airwaves, so to speak.
Along those lines, my father upon seeing someone on the telly who was jowly or had a sagging neck, would start to softly sing
"What"ll I do, when you are far away", etc.
Of course he would intentionally pronounce what"ll as wattle. Subtle but clear, and amusing.
Emrys
(7,372 posts)The English language has always changed, as they all do, and elision of consonants that makes a word easier for some to pronounce is commonplace.
What used to bother me was Bush Jr's pronunciation on atomic matters: nukular rather than nuclear.
For years, I couldn't figure out why on earth he did that. Then I realized he was seeing the word differently to me: nucle-ar rather than nu-clear.
That wasn't the worst thing he did.
obamanut2012
(26,353 posts)The middle Ts in dentist and important are slurred, no final T in Sacramento (whicj is also how many Sac natives say it, too).
Not a Zoomer thing, it is a regional dialect thing. Not a big deal, not some teen rebellion.
To me, saying DENTisT or IMPORTanT sounds odd.
Blues Heron
(5,992 posts)obamanut2012
(26,353 posts)I have never heard that in my life, and I am around Zoomers all day.
Blues Heron
(5,992 posts)I think its probably inspired by English and Scottish modes of speaking, feels like an international affectation sometimes. Watch for the Kuhl ad on youtube - thats a good example of the NT-dropping and also a plain T dropping (Mountain and Put)
Blues Heron
(5,992 posts)instead of comf-ter-bull
and the millennial-era singer`s R - which sounds slightly speech-impedimenty. Prob. inspired by Jeff Buckley? Its a hard one to emulate, sort of like a W with a little warble. (along with lengthening vowels so words like Bed sound like Bayed)
mucifer
(23,757 posts)marble falls
(59,003 posts)... want to put Linguists out of business, do you? I actually miss the regional twists in English. You'd have been even more outraged just 50 years ago. Y'all have good day, y'hear.
tom_kelly
(994 posts)are talking in a slow, valley-girl tone, and are also ending sentences with that scratchy voice. It seems to be younger women. It shouldn't bother me but I feel that someone with such an audience should be more aware of how they're speaking. It doesn't sound good to this old guy
AllaN01Bear
(20,177 posts)jaxexpat
(7,087 posts)GreenWave
(7,337 posts)There are going to get somebody killed someday!
Emrys
(7,372 posts)3catwoman3
(24,387 posts)...by every person who came into my room. It happened so often that by the second day, if someone even appeared in the doorway, I'd immediately say, "Oh four, two four, XXXX." It was quicker than "zero."
With my street address, however, I always say, "Two zero XX."