'Democrats will learn a lesson': Some Muslims work to defeat Biden in battleground states

[sarisataka]

'Democrats will learn a lesson': Some Muslims work to defeat Biden in battleground states

Human rights Prof. Hassan Abdel Salam has spent the past seven years teaching his students at the University of Minnesota about genocides around the world. On the last day of his class on global Islamophobia in April, he said he was quitting the classroom to oppose what he described as genocide in Gaza — by helping lead the "Abandon Biden" movement to defeat the president in November.

"It was very emotional," Abdel Salam said. "I just need to throw myself and put all my energy into this ... and I feel like huge change can happen."

Abdel Salam, 48, is among a group of Muslim activists, including several Minnesotans, who are organizing in nine swing states in opposition to Biden's re-election. The group's leaders say they want to politically punish the president for what they describe as enabling mass civilian casualties in Gaza.

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Trump's "words may hurt you, he's talking bad stuff all the time," Abdulahi Dodi said, "but he's better than Biden. … Trump is more peaceful than Biden."

https://m.startribune.com/democrats-will-learn-a-lesson-some-muslims-work-to-defeat-biden-in-battleground-states/600368642/

[elleng]

1. 'throw myself' sounds like a good idea.

'Human rights Prof. Hassan Abdel Salam' I don't think so. 'Trump is more peaceful than Biden."

As of May 2024, the Muslim population in the United States is estimated to be between 3–4 million people, making Islam the third-largest religion in the country. This represents just over 1% of the total U.S. population.

As of 2020, the core Jewish population in the United States was estimated to be 7.6 million people, which is 2.4% of the total US population.

[ananda]

33. Oh dear... that's some koolaid they've drunk.

Trump is more peaceful?

Wait and see what happens to them if the GOP get in power.

[B.See]

117. More peaceful? Trump wants to reinstate the Muslim ban

told Netanyahu to "finish" Gaza (so Jared can buy up the beachfront), deserted the Kurdish army on the battlefield (but made sure to protect the oilfields). But hey, good luck with Trump... Asshole.

[karynnj]

52. Not to mention, there is a link between Christians especially evangelicals and Israel

Even if they do not particularly like Jews.

Biden is in a no win situation. He is trying hard to find the balance that could lead to a better solution. I get this man's anguish, but even if Biden turned completely against Israel stopping all weapons and voting with UN resolutions, Bibi would not end the war. Oddly, it would likely make Israelis feel more isolated and persecuted, which would probably make them rally behind Netanyahu. If he did this and as seems likely the attacks continue, would these people defend or even support Biden or just continue to say he is not doing enough. Meanwhile, politically, Biden would have lost support from the other side.

[RandomNumbers]

108. "Biden is in a no win situation" - correct.

One of the most aggravating things is the reasonable conclusion that parties far outside Israel intentionally lit this fire.

It's too perfect for them.

I think Biden is doing the best he can and those threatening to not vote for him over this, were never good Democrats anyway. Seriously, they will let Trump - who will do FAR worse - win, just because Biden isn't achieving the impossible? F*ck them .

[karynnj]

112. I get their frustration, but am frustrated by their assumption that the American president has powers he doesn't

It might be the other side of the coin where Americans of both parties have claimed the US is the essential and exceptional country. While we are the most powerful, we have no power over other countries. They see genocide (where whether Gaza meets that definition or not) and given the toll thus far they want a ceasefire. From their perspective, Biden has been too slow and not strong enough in demanding that. They are absolutely incapable of trying to see the Israeli perspective - that they were hit by a vicious terrorist attack that came from the government in Gaza, Hamas.

I don't think this was planned to throw the US election. There has been a cycle of attacks by Hamas that lead to much greater Israeli retaliation. Many things made this one bigger starting with Israel moving most of the IDF from the Gaza area to the West Bank to protect the settlers, who were harassing the Palestinians.

Early on Biden called on Israel to avoid the mistake we made after we were attacked on 911. At that time, I didn't get the analogy completely. The problem now is both sides see themselves as the victim, with Bibi even saying that Israel is fighting Hamas genocide of Jews.

Biden is working to push for a diplomatic solution.

[SoFlaBro]

115. If anyone can find the goddamn silver lining in this fucked up situation in the middle east, it's Joe Biden.

[Angleae]

2. Democrats will learn a lesson? If Trump is elected, they're the ones that will learn a lesson.

And they'll learn it from some country far from here after they're deported for being muslim.

[wnylib]

53. Agree. After the Muslim ban of 2017, how can they think that Trump would be better than Biden?

Not to mention that Trump and Netanyahu are best buddies, although Netanyahu might not be in office by November.

[JustAnotherGen]

59. If he doesn't

Put these souls in concentration camps.

[ShazzieB]

86. What?

No. Just NO.

Anyone who thinks TSF is "more peaceful" than Biden is out of their dammned mind, but putting anyone into concentration camps is not the answer to ANYTHING!

[Behind the Aegis]

102. I think you misunderstood Gen's response.

She was not saying nor implying that we would be putting the asshole who said "Trump is more peaceful than Biden" in a concentration camp, she was saying it was a possible alternative BY the Orange Skidmark in response to Angelea's comment " they're the ones that will learn a lesson. And they'll learn it from some country far from here after they're deported for being muslim."

[JustAnotherGen]

128. Thank you

And it's not like America hasn't done it before.

[ShazzieB]

133. Yes, I can see that I DID misunderstand the intention of the post.

However, after rereading it in the light of this correction, I don't believe the misunderstanding was my fault. The post was very brief, and it seemed to be straightforward. l replied in good faith, assuming that it meant what it said.

I see now that it would have been a good idea to ask whether the post really meant what it appeared to mean before replying. Unfortunately, the content was very disturbing and I responded to the emotions it aroused.

I am sorry I didn't think to ask before replying, but I'm honestly at a loss as to how I could have possibly known what Gen was trying to convey..

[Behind the Aegis]

149. Now, my turn, "What?"

Fault? Seriously? I was only trying to clarify Gen's comment because, as you admitted, you misunderstood and acted out of emotion. Full stop. As for knowing what Gen meant, well, "I see now that it would have been a good idea to ask whether the post really meant what it appeared to mean before replying."

A simple, "oh, NOW I understand" would have sufficed, as no one was calling for a mea culpa or assigning blame.

[ShazzieB]

154. Sheesh.

So you really did not mean to imply that I should have known what Gen meant? If so, that's great, and I am very glad to hear it!

At the time, I honestly felt I was being taken to task for misunderstanding the post and felt the need to defend my lack of comprehension.

Sorry for misinterpreting and for replying defensively.

[Behind the Aegis]

157. I can't control what you infer.

But, I didn't imply anything of the sort.

[JustAnotherGen]

127. But he will

Deportation isn't feasible. Their Agenda 2025, a corrupt SCOTUS and people willing to believe absurdities - will lead to that atrocity.

[LymphocyteLover]

99. exactly-- morons

[Sugarcoated]

3. What a big fucking phony

...spewing bullshit

[no_hypocrisy]

4. In NJ-9 (northern NJ), veteran Democrat Bill Pascrell, Jr. is being challenged

in the June primary by the Muslim mayor of Prospect Park, solely on the war in Gaza. The latter has made vague and ambiguous promises such as Economic, Social and Climate Justice for all. No details.
 Healthcare Accessibility and Affordability
 Economic Development and Job Creation
 Education and Workforce Development
 Infrastructure and Transportation

And the mayor has not been specific in his criticism of Gaza and what he would do in Congress to address the situation.

He's been careful not to directly and personally attack Pascrell.

There is a concentrated population of Muslim voters in Paterson and the surrounding towns. They will choose the mayor solely because of Gaza.

I'm certain that Pascrell will win the primary. What concerns me is that the same voters for the mayor will stay home in November and allow a republican to make inroads, perhaps get elected.

[JustAnotherGen]

60. I think Pascrell

Can get them to the polls.

He's very good at getting people to understand binary choices.

[betsuni]

5. "'I hate you, mommy!' he exclaimed as he slammed the bedroom door. He vowed never to eat again, to

teach mommy a lesson. It was very emotional."

[Cha]

6. Yeah Fuck their "lesson".. here's what TSF has

on the agenda for them.. etc etc..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Except it will "hurt" Pres Biden, too.. because he actually gives a shit about our People & Country.

Abdulahi Dodi IS SO FULL OF SHIT!!

Trump's "words may hurt you, he's talking bad stuff all the time," Abdulahi Dodi said, "but he's better than Biden. … Trump is more peaceful than Biden."

I Fucking HATE these TSF voters.

[betsuni]

7. "Trump is more peaceful than Biden" -- same propaganda since 2016.

Republicans are the peace makers, only ones helping economic anxiety of The People, have great messaging.

Nuts.

[Cha]

9. Only ones giving TAX Breaks to Billionaires &

starving the Poor.

Fucking Magas/TSF are Hell on the Environment.. But who gives a shit.. it's only our Planet.

Magas are Cruel on LGBTQ Rights but what do they care?

TSF "got rid of a Woman's Right to Choose".. Don't imagine ol " Abdulahi Dodi gives a crap about that, either.

[betsuni]

19. Oh, I just got called a MAGAT!: "Wow, I've never even heard a full-on magat try to pretend

money doesn't affect elections let alone a poster on a Democratic discussion board. We're entering a whole new realm of surrealism now."

Because I asked how having more money (like Mitt Romney, Nina Turner, etc) force voters to vote for the person with the most money. Still no answer! How does the magic bad money work on voters? How does money change depending on where it comes from? How are Democrats corrupt? Where is the evidence of corruption? How does putting "grassroots" in front of campaign contributions change the money and make it pure? Why does anyone say Democrats "take" money while someone else just receive nice harmless grassroots donations?

[Think. Again.]

45. That isn't what you asked....

And I never called you a magat.

I asked you if you seriously thought money doesn't affect elections, You answered..

"How? Ads? Lawn signs? How does that force voters to vote for the candidate with the most money?"

Then I posted...

"Wow, I've never even heard a full-on magat...
...try to pretend money doesn't affect elections let alone a poster on a Democratic discussion board.

We're entering a whole new realm of surrealism now."

But I was mistaken, NOW we have entered a whole new realm of realism.

[orange jar]

48. That's actually worse...

because it means that you think Betsuni's view is more extreme than a Trump supporter's. Surely you don't believe that?

[Think. Again.]

49. I DO believe that the view that money doesn't affect elections is extreme, yes, I do.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

85. You're telling that poster what

s/he means?

How about asking instead?

[Torchlight]

73. Sounds pretty serious

Best of luck.

[Think. Again.]

80. Yeah, it's a pretty crazy point of view.

[ShazzieB]

98. I'm having trouble folliwing this discussion.

You replied to betsuni, but I don't see where they said any of the things you quoted. The post you replied to doesn't say anything about money affecting elections or not affecting them.

I like to follow a conversation step by step, so I have the full context, but some steps seem to be missing here.

[Think. Again.]

105. Yes, throwing confusing wordplay into a discussion...

...with the intent of making it difficult to follow the true topic of discussion, or to misrepresent another poster's statements, can be exasperating at times, it's a basic gaslighting technique.

If you're willing to try to avoid being diverted from the true discussion despite those attempts, you can read the entire subthread here...

https://democraticunderground.com/100218976713

[ShazzieB]

131. Thank you for clearing up the confusion.

I suspected something like this, but I didn't want to make an unfounded accusation.

Personally, I'm not a fan of replying in one thread to a conversation in another op, because it does lead to confusion as it did here. Imo, it's better to stick to the original thread or start a completely new one rather than derail an unrelated conversation and possibly pull in people who weren't part of the previous conversation. Just my opinion, of course.

[Think. Again.]

132. I agree, attempting to call out posters from other OPs in unrelated different OPs.....

...in the hope that that the call out will go undefended, is a nasty trick. Glad I caught it.

[Cha]

114. They're Gaslighting.. "More Money" didn't help

ol fucking Mitt.. did it? And that person who said "voting for Biden was like earing a bowl of shit".

They had their own fucking problems and more money didn't[ help.

Dr Dexter is the Best Candidate.. Thankfully the Voters knew that.

[Behind the Aegis]

118. For some, it always comes down to, as one prominent politican said,

((( "It's all about the Benjamins!" )))

They never miss an opportunity to...well, y'know, you all powerful so-and-so!

[Cha]

122. Benjamins Do Help immensely, of course, But

It's Not Always what Propels a Candidate to Victory.

Undoubtedly Dr Maxine Dexter is the Best Candidate By Far!

Editorial endorsement May 2024: Elect Maxine Dexter in Democratic primary for 3rd Congressional District

snip***

Among her closest competitors is Jayapal, 60, who until recently served as the Multnomah County commissioner representing North and Northeast Portland. In our interview and others, Jayapal has identified herself as the most progressive in the race. An attorney, she rarely bobbles questions and responds with poise. Those qualities are helpful if voters in this Portland district are looking for someone who will be focused on fighting rhetoric wars with Republicans – or even fellow Democrats – in pushing for a more progressive direction. But Jayapal’s five years on the Multnomah County Commission were remarkably unaccomplished. Even as the homelessness crisis intensified, she did not challenge the aimless direction set by former Multnomah County Chair Deborah Kafoury, nor did she distinguish herself as someone who fosters compromise among competing views.

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2024/04/editorial-endorsement-may-2024-elect-maxine-dexter-in-democratic-primary-for-3rd-congressional-district.html

In a previous post upthread they write about Dr Maxine Dexter.. it was Excellent.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18977763

Whew!

[orange jar]

24. Right?

"The true progressives are the regressives." It's delusional.

[emulatorloo]

61. Yeah, echoes of that "Donald The Dove" nonsense from 2016. So exhausting.

[LuvLoogie]

23. Dodi is for religious patriarchy, ultimately.

He has no concern for others than his own vertical market patriarchy.

[vercetti2021]

8. These people are fucking stupid

Like literally throwing yourselves to the wolves.

[Cha]

10. Boom! TY

[RandomNumbers]

40. But possibly not just themselves.

That is what's infuriating.

Is it truly idiocy, or is someone getting paid?

[dflprincess]

95. They're throwing all of us to the wolves nt

[Misery Business]

11. These people think they're way more important than they really are.

[DFW]

12. This sounds like a scenario where...............

Jon Ossoff would say that his wife made him a pork dish for dinner, and so he is divorcing her in favor of marrying MTG instead.

It's not illegal, just incredibly stupid. The difference is that Jon's wife did not make him a pork dish, and he has no intention of ditching her for MTG. Apparently, some headline-hungry Arab Americans have a different set of values (if, indeed, these are their own).

I think Trump's attitudes toward Muslims was made clear enough while he was in office. To conveniently ignore that, and pretend things are different now, reeks of someone having been paid off, but maybe my sense of smell is not quite accurate............

[yardwork]

25. Another salient point is that many Muslim Americans are quite wealthy.

Considering their wealth and social/religious beliefs, they track closely with the current Republican Party.

Recently I attended a private high school graduation. Parking lot full of Mercedes, BMWs, Ferraris, a Lamborghini. The school is expensive and selective. There was a middle eastern family sitting near us. Their little kids were waving Palestinian flags (and running wild during the ceremony). Father wearing a keffiyeh over his well-tailored suit. Adult women completely covered up, wearing long baggy dresses. Clearly wealthy, privileged, and adhering to all their restrictive beliefs about women. One of the student speakers mentioned Gaza at the end of his speech, decrying the deaths of innocents. The father roared approval, waving his little flag. The students all cheered. Most of the rest of the audience was silent, notably the many Indian American families. I thought that was interesting.

My point is that many of these American voters whose families came from the middle east are already probably Republican-leaning, for reasons of class, income, and social beliefs.

[LeftInTX]

70. "Teaching politicians a lesson" is a common tactic in the ME

That's one reason why the ME is so f___ upped.

As to whether this tactic will carryover here, who knows?

[SalamanderSleeps]

13. 2 words

Muslim
Ban

Phd's can be dipshits too.

[Behind the Aegis]

14. And....

[NavyDem]

15. 6-3 Supreme Court and another trump presidency...

Will certainly mean another Muslim ban, fully blessed by the trump 6. Enjoy the one way tickets to Gaza!

[Raven123]

16. Someone needs to look into their financial backers

[RandomNumbers]

41. THIS (nt)

[multigraincracker]

17. Seems like Orthodox

Muslims, Jews and Christians all suck.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. "If I Hit My Thumb With This Hammer...."

"...that'll show Biden!"
There, I translated it for everyone.

[Vinca]

20. Trump is more peaceful than Biden???? You can only imagine what Trump would tell Netanyahu to do.

[dembotoz]

21. biden support of bibi makes this all possible

[Tribetime]

65. Ding Ding Ding

[mahina]

75. Oh come on.

Please define the term ‘supportʻ. This admin has withdrawn support and it is clear there is no aloha there.

[dembotoz]

82. oh please don't make excuses

[MorbidButterflyTat]

87. You realize this is

DEMOCRATIC Underground?

[TexasDem69]

90. Biden should support our ally Israel

But in any event voting for Trump, or refusing to vote for Biden (same thing), is shortsighted and stupid. I feel no sympathy for these individuals and they’ll just have to live with the consequences of a Trump presidency with no complaints.

[sarisataka]

92. So.... Trump?

Do you agree we need to learn a lesson?

[SunSeeker]

101. No, Abdel Salam's STUPIDITY makes all this possible. Biden does not support Bibi.

Biden supports the existence of Israel. He does not support Bibi. TRUMP supports Bibi. And the feeling is mutual. But for Biden's criticism and pressure on Bibi, and withholding key military shipments, Bibi would have "gone nuclear" as some Republicans have advised he should (including Trump, who told him go "get it over with" ) and just carpet bombed Gaza. Deaths would have been in the hundreds of thousands instead of under 20,000 civilians. Instead, there is more targeted bombing and door to door combat, which has cost IDF lives.

But you choose to defend Abdel Salam's stupidity. And thus you enable their propaganda for Trump.

[shrike3]

124. You do know Trump loves Bibi as much if not more so, right?

He's been telling Bibi to "finish it up," to hurry.

OTOH, I'm at a point where if people want to shoot themselves in the foot, proceed.

[Scrivener7]

22. If they succeed in getting the vile thing elected, THEY're going to be the ones learning a lesson.

I'm not happy with our footing the bill for Bibi's wholesale slaughter. But Bibi would be unleashed under the defendant.

[aeromanKC]

26. Those said Muslims hate America

Likewise any other group voting against Democracy hates America.

[CrispyQ]

27. "... and I feel like huge change can happen."

Vote Trump & a huge change WILL happen you frickin' moron.

[shrike3]

125. I actually laughed out loud. Sure, big changes will happen, but not the kind he'll like.

[getagrip_already]

28. Democrats know those lessons.. it comes from being inclusive

You learn that to be inclusive, you can't always solve everybody's problems to the exclusion of someone else.

It invariably leads to a member of your group getting upset and disaffected.

The best you can do is listen and keep open lines of communication, as well as make whatever accommodations are possible.

You will never solve every problem. Someone in some group will at some point work against you.

And that is ok.

But in this case, if they think they will be treated any better under tsf, they are sadly mistaken. They will get knifed from the front, as they so aptly put it. Not figuratively either. Being a Muslim citizen under the Reich will be path to deportation.

Expect it.

[orange jar]

29. Look,

I get that they're angry. I do. But fucking over your fellow family members, friends, and people who live in your own country because you don't like what's happening in another is selfish and, frankly, idiotic.

If Trump wins, they'll likely be the first ones to be victimized by him like what happened in 2017 with the Muslim country ban. They will be worse off with Trump than however they perceive to be under Biden right now.

Literally saw a Twitter thread talking about funny moments from Trump's term and someone replied to it with, "yeah, all the covid deaths he caused were especially funny" (paraphrased and sarcastic, obviously). Some moron responded with, "and Biden is killing more people while not even being funny." Of course, looking at their profile, they're one of the "Genocide Joe" leftist propagandists. These people who call themselves "progressives" and/or "leftists" genuinely believe they'll be better off under Trump, who will unequivocally do everything he can to undermine the progressive causes they supposedly care about.

[CousinIT]

30. Ignorant. Yes. A huge change will happen. Trump will ban and deport every one of them. AND...

...they will never be able to vote again—NO ONE WILL. We'll have genocide HERE. There will be NOTHING "peaceful" about it.

This attitude is selfish, ignorant, and very destructive not only to the Muslim community but to our Democratic Republic.

I can't fathom the depth of DUMB here.

[wryter2000]

32. And....

He’ll give Netanyahu every weapon he wants and encourage him to use them. Jared develops Gaza for rich Americans.

[wryter2000]

31. He can't be that stupid

So I have to believe he’s lying.

[LeftInTX]

71. Perpetual angry, underdog protester is a real thing.

[AnrothElf]

121. HOOO BOY! Is it ever!!

The Internet gave gadflies the ability to organize LOL

[walkingman]

34. And this guy is a college professor - no wonder we are not even in the top 20 any more.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

35. Trump vows to deport pro-Palestinian college campus protesters

I hope these idiots are looking forward to TFG being POTUS

Link to tweet

[LetMyPeopleVote]

36. Not Voting for President Biden is a dumb move

Link to tweet

[FalloutShelter]

54. Exactly...Please don't cut off your nose to spite MY face.

[SunSeeker]

119. It's tempting to say sure, vote for Trump who will deport your ass. But I don't want the US destroyed.

Encouraging anyone to not vote for Biden means encouraging the destruction of US democracy. It really is as simple as that.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

37. The activists will not like what happens if TFG is elected

Donald Trump has a message for voters who disapprove of President Joe Biden’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left: The Republican intends to be vastly worse.

Link to tweet

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391

In theory, Donald Trump might recognize the electoral opportunity and try to appeal to those who disapprove on the incumbent president’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left. In practice, the former president has an unsubtle message for Biden’s critics: If given the chance, the Republican intends to be vastly worse.

The Biden White House, for example, acknowledged this week that it is, as the Associated Press reported, “weighing measures to help Palestinians living in the United States who want to bring family from the war-torn region.”

Soon after, as Reuters reported, the presumptive GOP nominee shared his thoughts on the subject at a campaign rally.

“Your towns and villages will now be accepting people from Gaza and various other places,” Trump said, eliciting boos from the crowd. “Under no circumstances shall we bring thousands of refugees.” Last week, Trump described the pro-Palestinian protests as driven by “tremendous hate” while asserting that the violence at a 2017 white nationalist rally with some Trump supporters in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he was president was small by comparison.

Note, at one of his campaign events yesterday, Trump appeared to goad his followers in Wisconsin into booing Palestinian refugees.

Link to tweet

At the same event, the former president also vowed to restore and expand the Muslim ban he imposed during his first term......

The former president also endorsed ongoing Israeli military operations, saying, “We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”

Let’s also not forget a New York Times report from March that said top members of Trump’s team want to expel Palestinians from Gaza.

It’s as if the Republican is going out of his way to alienate voters who, given their frustrations with Biden’s policy, might be inclined to give Trump a second look.

TFG will bring back the Muslim ban, give Bibi free reign to bomb and destroy Gaza and expel Palestinians from Gaza so that Jared can build his resorts.


If TFG is re-elected, Bibi Netanyahu will be free to destroy Gaza and finish the job he started. Bibi Netanyahu has not been able to destroy Gaza in the way he wants due to President Biden.

Link to tweet

[dalton99a]

38. Hamas supporters should go back to Palestine

[lindysalsagal]

39. Because tsf likes muslims?

We're screwed.

[wryter2000]

42. Netanyahu thanks you. n/t

[Think. Again.]

43. You probably shouldn't be amplifying anti-Democratic messaging on DU.

[sarisataka]

84. I'd rather know about problems now

than first find out on election day.

Wouldn't you agree?

[meow2u3]

44. That prof has been a Republican all along

I don't buy his ex-Biden voter schtick. He's been a MAGAt from Day One. We're not fooled by his concern trolling.

[-misanthroptimist]

46. What a remarkably stupid person!

[Efilroft Sul]

47. Hijack the election. Crash the country. Take us all down with you. Yeah, no.

Salam is still going to be riding in that boxcar if Trump's elected. But at least it will be a peaceful ride to the camp.

[Mz Pip]

50. Be careful what you wish for.

Trump is no friend of Muslims.

[LonePirate]

51. Someone is about to learn a lesson here but it's not Democrats.

[elocs]

55. "Democrats will learn a lesson" is something the BoBs threatened in 2016

when Democrats voted to nominate Hillary instead of Bernie and instead, according to NPR, 10-12% of them actually voted for Trump.

[Baitball Blogger]

56. So, instead, they're going to vote for the guy who has openly sided with Netanyahu?

And his genocide policy?

[peggysue2]

57. And Muslims will learn that lesson first

This truly is a cut off your nose moment. Agent Orange has his list of loyalists and enablers and 'real' Americans.

Muslims are not on it.

[JustAnotherGen]

58. Muslims will learn a lesson

If Trump is elected.

This man might have all the education in the world - but if Trump wins I will not lift a finger to help Muslims in America.

I'm a black woman - my husband and mother are white. I have nieces and nephews (including grands) that are half latino (Honduran, Puerto Rican, Colombian).

I'm going to be too busy getting my black ass, two race traitors, and Latinos in my family to safety.

They are on their own. Two Words: Muslim Ban.

Also the sick ass wipe gets his people to believe absurdities ' after January 6 - we know they are capable of committing atrocities.

[DoBW]

62. It's a new party Humps for Trump

Smell it? ...the arrogance

[gulliver]

63. New Dem ad: "Hi, I'm an Islamophobia class professor, and I'm for Trump!"

Political gold. It writes itself. I wonder if the guy is interested in starring. Maybe we can get a photo of Trump hugging him and thanking him for the support.

[LeftInTX]

72. Why haven't MAGATS shown up at their protests? Seriously?

A few have, but not enough to paint them as MAGATS. The counter protesters end up getting painted as "Jewish" or "Pro-Zionist" instead of MAGATS because they aren't wearing red hats.

[Ritabert]

64. I assume they're prepared for deportation

....starting on Day One of a Trump administration. Latinos and Muslims are first on the list.

[mcar]

66. When TFG deports him,

do you think he'll learn a lesson?

[sakabatou]

67. Because Republicans are oh, so going to be nice and friendly

[republianmushroom]

68. Talk about dumb and dumber, do these people believe they

will not be among the first to be deported.
Deporting 15 Million People

“According to the Center for Migration Studies, under Trump’s plan about 5.7 million U.S.-born, U.S. citizen children would lose one or both parents.”

This time, we sure as hell better take Trump LITERALLY. When he says he intends to do something crazy as president, we need to let every voter out there know what his plans are and what they would mean in real life -- to make sure he never gets the opportunity.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218978149
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/5/25/2242703/-What-Deporting-15-Million-People-Would-Actually-Look-Like

[haele]

89. He will be working on deporting those US born citizens

Of migrant parents. Pretty sure he can get the current conservatives on the Supreme Court to agree that the birthright citizenship only really counted for the first two/three generations in this country as the United States was being formed, as most of the population from the original 13 colonies were born English (or English Scots), Dutch, French, or Spanish. Once the Monroe Docterine kicked in, no need for birthright citizenship...
So basically, this current crop of "justices" would consider the entire family as immigrants, whether or not the kids or at least one parent or grandparent was born here or was a naturalized citizen - along with foreign adoptions. No anchor babies allowed; they would have to apply for a visa or to be naturalized along with their parent or guardian. That's going to catch a lot of the "Visa" births, where a wealthy foreign couple will fly to the US and live here for a year or so on a work or tourist visa so their child/children can be born here and have dual citizenship.
And this current Supreme Court also probably allow for the incarceration or deportation of any naturalized citizen or adopted child that "breaks the laws" or doesn't fit in with the accepted body politic, along with the incarceration of natural born US citizen.

Haele

[LeftInTX]

69. "Tantrums R Us"...F___TS

Bibi got in power because Arab Israelis wanted to teach Shimon Peres a lesson.

They've a had "fun ride" with Bibi. It has spurned even more tantrums. More tantrums to follow...

[Behind the Aegis]

78. So few people know this.

It is a perfect example of what "teaching a lesson" to one that is more supportive, but apparently not pure enough, leads to.

[OneGrassRoot]

74. FOLLOW THE MONEY

I've found multiple references, including congressional hearings, to Qatar's "funding" of largely Ivy League colleges in the US via the Qatar Education Foundation. Qatar is essentially the home base to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Here's a link to the 2018 Congressional hearing.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-115hhrg31367/html/CHRG-115hhrg31367.htm

According to the Program on Extremism, some affiliated groups, chapters, and radical offshoots inspired by the Brotherhood's Islamic ideology are marked by their adaptability to the local politics in a given country, their pursuit of individual organizational goals and their complete operational independence.

A Republican-led house hearing back in December 2023 that focused on antisemitism at US colleges delved into similar info. The focus has been antisemitism yet it also should be the desire to crumble democracy from the inside. Hence the Abandon Biden movement which a bunch of nihilistic and/or naive leftists are way too happy to support any way they can.

I also agree that the continued strong support shown to Bibi, himself, by the Biden Admin nurtures the above. The hatred of Bibi is being cultivated into hatred of Biden by these activists. Republicans must be loving that.

[SunSeeker]

106. Yes, and Putin has been juicing this too.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/russia-trying-exploit-americas-divisions-war-gaza-rcna149759

[OneGrassRoot]

109. Always.... n/t

[BComplex]

76. Pure ignorance.

'nuff said.

[SamKnause]

77. Stupid fuck !!!

[keithbvadu2]

79. You must be some of the billionaire Muslims... the Muslims Trump loves.

[Beartracks]

81. Uh... Trump may be a blowhard buffoon, but he mobilizes bad people. Non-peaceful people.

Anti-democratic people.

People who would let not only Trump but Putin and others like him -- even Netanyahu -- do "whatever they want."

Some think Biden's not pushing back hard enough? At least he's pushing.

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[Nixie]

83. "Barack HUSSEIN Obama". Who can forget tfg's malevolent

emphasis on HUSSEIN to highlight that Arabs are different and suspect. They will get fingered the same way, but that's ok because everything about that suggests "peace." It's just so ridiculous.

[brush]

88. I feel Abdel Salam is making a big mistake. Such an astute obsever of the political scene...

should be aware of trump's 2025 Plan and its intent to deport millions of Arabs, Muslims, Mexicans and most likely thousands of other POCs. And that just might include him and many of his friends and associates.

What does he think will result if trump wins and Biden loses?

Nothing? He can't be that naive.

Wonder if he's thought of how many candidates that he's voted for agree with him on every issue? My guess is none. That's the issue here. It's a big one but the Biden/Blinken team are working overtime to stop the war and the horror the Netanyahu/Likud admin continue to do.

[LeftInTX]

96. He's from Canada, so if he gets deported, he gets to go somewhere nice.

He's been calling from Biden's ouster since October.

Most of the loudmouths are natural-born US citizens with only citizenship in the US.

You cannot deport someone who is also not a citizen of another country. That's a fact. No country will accept them.

I don't care how many times Trump gets elected. It's physically impossible. Deportees would be sent right back to the US.

[brush]

104. Good point on what country will accept deportees. I don't think...

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the trump cabal has thought far ahead of the deportation camps they're planning on. People might stay in them for months, years if trump gets elected, and believe me, American citizenship won't matter that much as he's already talked about suspending the Constitution, which includes birthright citizenship.

I doubt that cabal gives a fuck about citizenship if you don't fit their model of who is an American. trump has often said he wants immigrants from the Nordic countrys, not the "shithole" ones. And that's just pure, obvious racism.

[LeftInTX]

107. All I know is: Send a US citizen to Syria. "Person is not a Syrian citizen. We're sending back"

You can deport dual citizens. But it takes alot of work on the US end. The receiving country will need to accept their citizens.

[lindysalsagal]

93. Divide and conquer. The first step to fascism. We're letting putin tsf and hamas

Divide America. We're allowing it. This also makes tv richer.

[DinahMoeHum]

94. Abdulahi Dodi can go eat a bag of doody.

Hope he enjoys putting his own neck in a noose if G*d forbid TSF is elected.

[SKKY]

97. I sometimes feel like America is a company that was purchased by a private equity firm...

...and now we're being sold off for parts. Like Red Lobster. And everyone is trying to make sure they get their money.

[NNguyenMD]

100. This constituency is gone, and impractically difficult to please

It’s not worth trying to please the majority of them who now are willing to accept a Trump presidency. The argument over when someone says that they are ok with another Trump term.

I want Biden to take a harder line with Bibi as much as the next person like Schumer, but I would never cross over into MAGA land.

If people want to vote in anger or a tantrum like this, let them. There are enough disaffected republicans and independents worth swinging in the battleground states.

[TexasDem69]

120. It's not worth trying to please anyone

Who is going to vote for Trump because President Biden supports our longtime ally Israel instead of Hamas’ rapists and murderers. This shouldn’t even be a discussion.

[brewens]

103. I dunno Hassan. Making me think you're no better that any Jesus MAGAt might not be the best move. n/t

[Bristlecone]

110. I'll show you! I'm cutting off my own nose.

That will teach you!

[oasis]

111. A kick and a WTF

[GreenWave]

113. Reminds me of when Iran thought it was a great idea to hand over the hostages to Ray Gun.

[dflprincess]

116. I think the Minnesota members of this group of idiots

Don't understand how insulated we are from the damage Trump has already done. With the DFL in control of the state government our rights have been protected, They don't get how quickly that could change.

[shrike3]

123. Snort. Some people are just stupid. n/t

[Demsrule86]

126. Well Trump wants to kill everyone in GAZA and turn it into a resort for his worthless family then he will deport all of

Muslims he can and the rest will likely end up in concentration camps...stop blaming Democrats for what is happening. There is nothing we can do.

[TxGuitar]

129. I haven't read the whole thread

But if these people want to "punish" Biden and vote for Trump and he wins, when they're marched off to camps or killing fields, I'll be there holding up a sign saying "We told you" or "too late to grow a brain now isn't it?".

[Cha]

130. Kick to first page TY

[iemanja]

134. While I disagree with Hassan on this

he is a good man.

[tritsofme]

137. He is a Trump supporter, sounds like a terrible man.

[iemanja]

138. You don't know him

[tritsofme]

139. I know he is scheming to put Trump back in power. Not sure I need to know much more.

[LeftInTX]

144. He left the university to campaign against Biden full time.

Since you know him, maybe tell him what will happen to Gaza if Trump gets back in.

[shrike3]

148. Maybe also tell him what'll happen to protestors if Trump gets back in.

[TheKentuckian]

159. GLAD ABOUT IT!

There is nothing good about wilfully attemptimg scuttle the nation.

[Cha]

135. I hope anyone who said

His was “.. just for the primary “ is paying attention.

[Rizen]

136. Single issue voters are like spoiled children.

I don't like Biden on one issue so lets screw over women, the Ukraine, the environment and American democracy by letting Trump get in.

[Initech]

140. Fucking morons! The guy who wants to declare himself a dictator and deport 15 million people "on day one"...

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Is not peaceful. You've been brainwashed! And do they not understand they'll be the first to be deported under a second term of Orange Turd? What the actual fuck!

[betsuni]

143. It's like reality and entertainment have switched places. Things that aren't real like staged reality shows

and professional wrestling are the reality and Trump the benign fun entertainment.

[Initech]

147. I think it's social media brainwashing.

I know way too many people who've succumbed to Murdoch's horseshit. That crap is a drug and it's rotted as many minds as crack and heroin ever would or could.

[SouthBayDem]

141. Non mobile link (auto redirects on phones):

https://www.startribune.com/democrats-will-learn-a-lesson-some-muslims-work-to-defeat-biden-in-battleground-states/600368642/

[DemocraticPatriot]

142. Some "Muslims will learn a lesson" if they manage to elect Trump...

"Huge change can happen", all right.....

[GoodRaisin]

145. Sounds like Muslims have stupid people too.

[DFW]

146. If a group of American Muslims think they are going to singlehandedly "teach Democrats a lesson"

If their lesson is successful, the first to suffer will be American Muslims.

But, of course, "we never foresaw THAT!!!" Maybe not, but the ones who financed you definitely did, and will be laughing all the way to the boarding gate of your flight to Cairo, Jeddah, Qatar, or wherever it is that your one way ticket says you're headed to.

Then they can try to teach the royal family of Saudi Arabia a thing or two--whereupon the Saudis will give them a refresher course in Sharia law and the local regulations concerning those who try to "teach a lesson" to the House of Saud.

[lpbk2713]

150. Suit yourself.

[RandySF]

151. Anyone who aids Trump is dead to me.

[relayerbob]

152. We'll see how "peaceful" they think he is when they are locked up in a concentration camp

[bucolic_frolic]

153. Haven't they figured out Trump will deport them from Trump camps?

What kind of evidence do they need?

[Mike Nelson]

155. It's good that...

... Human Rights Professor Hassan Abdel Salam is "quitting the classroom," after a relatively short seven-year career. I hope the ex-professor learns more about Biden and Trump in promoting world peace.

[lees1975]

156. A foot shooting contest here.

This is stupidity to the 100th power. There goes everything you've ever worked to achieve politically in this country.

[Demsrule86]

158. Many will end up being deported according to Trump.

[TheKentuckian]

160. The political version of the suicide vest.

Palestine is a haven for terrorism waiting to happen.

Veto that shit.

[Cha]

161. Nikki Haley: "Finish Them".. Exactly What TSF would Do..

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Link to tweet

Those saying they're going to Teach Pres Biden a Lesson have no GD Clue what would happen if TSF got back in.

[betsuni]

162. But never any "Genocide Nikki" or "Genocide Trump" when they come right out and do and say these things.

That's "peaceful." Must obey the "But Democrats are the REAL warmongers" propaganda!

[Cha]

163. Excellent Point, betsui.. Genocide TSF Genocide Nikki

What would they do IF the Real Genocide Maga AsshatsTake Over.

Would they be Out in the Streets and Universities Protesting The Real Genocides..The Rapist TSF and his Ass Kissers!!

[betsuni]

164. 100% guarantee: zero showy protests if Genocide Trump wins.

The original groups urging universities to disinvest in things will go on out of the spotlight as they have for years -- recent show business protests are used to demonize Biden as immoral and suppress voting for Democrats.

It will be just like President Obama and drones. I remember trying to debunk disinformation that Obama was unilaterally doing Western imperialism, wanting WWIII and getting replies that I must be fine with Obama murdering innocent children at weddings. Just like now, really. Same kinds of personal insults. But did we hear one word about drones after Trump was elected, after he approved of more drone attacks and Special Forces missions in a few years than Obama did in his entire eight years? Nope. It disappeared overnight, wasn't a concern anymore.

[Cha]

165. Yes Because they DO Know What Will Happen.. "Trump vows to deport pro-Palestinian college campus protesters"

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

I remember All of that as you say.

[betsuni]

166. I'll never understand why Democrats never get the benefit of the doubt and Republicans always do.