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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums59% of Americans think that Biden controls inflation and prices
Just saw on Joy Reid. No wonder Joe's poll numbers on the economy are so bad. We are dealing with extreme ignorance and the corporate media's propaganda is not helping.
Joy and Stephanie R. are telling the truth about corporate greed and how that is what is causing inflation, NOT President Biden.
msongs
(69,837 posts)ZZenith
(4,296 posts)msongs
(69,837 posts)ZZenith
(4,296 posts)FBaggins
(27,424 posts)ZZenith
(4,296 posts)FBaggins
(27,424 posts)ZZenith
(4,296 posts)Sort of.
I asked, Is that justified?
And did they answer my question?
FBaggins
(27,424 posts)You were (correctly) told that's how things are. It doesn't matter whether or not people are justified in believing it... it is the norm, so nobody is "normalizing" it by recognizing the simple truth.
What is more - there is no spinning away from it. When inflation rates were falling, the administration was quick and consistent in claiming that it was because of their actions and the IRA. Every administration wants to take credit for anything good in the economy and blame the last guy for anything bad (both whether they're justified or not). But there are enough "transitory" quotes from the first year of the administration to burn any idea of diverting blame.
The only viable strategy (which happens to have the advantage of being true) is to point out that we're still the better party to manage the economy for the next four years.
ZZenith
(4,296 posts)is the very definition of normalizing it.
Bob0264
(12 posts)WAY too many people don't know diddly squat about economics and politics. Pathetic!
MichMan
(12,962 posts)Just how it is
RandomNumbers
(18,104 posts)such as raising tariffs and harassing immigrants who harvest a lot of our food. (to name just a couple off the top of my head)
keep_left
(2,276 posts)...and President Biden has a big red button on his desk that says "Make Economy Gooder". And for some reason, Biden simply refuses to push that button.
This is yet another example why we need a serious overhaul of the way that civics is taught in the schools.
Tickle
(2,927 posts)Bob0264
(12 posts)Even if taught, they don't learn it, forget it, or whatever. Then they rely on garbage internet sites, tik tok etc. for their information. Sad.
betsuni
(27,251 posts)The belief there are simple solutions and the only reason they aren't done are bad motives.
triron
(22,240 posts)DBoon
(22,969 posts)There is no such button, just like kissing a frog will not cause it to turn into a handsome prince
keep_left
(2,276 posts)...to be true.
DBoon
(22,969 posts)oasis
(51,483 posts)surfered
(2,462 posts)Although FOX News leads in the ratings, a 2023 survey found that only 12% of Americans regularly watch it. Why 59% of Americans believe something is true when it is not, is a mystery to me.
triron
(22,240 posts)B.See
(3,199 posts)the woefully misinformed and those who, for whatever reasons, WANT to believe Biden controls these things.
It's far easier to find a convenient scapegoat than to understand all of the complex factors and players involved (like corporate price gouging for example)..
Especially when one chooses to ignore the positive indicators of a strong economy under Biden.
Granted it may not translate as such when some are looking at their bottom line and may be struggling. But at least place the blame where it properly lies.
Republicans undermined and opposed consumer protections from predatory banking and lending practices, they opposed a higher federal minimum wage, student debt relief, collective bargaining, the stimulus package, the infrastructure bill, and other assistance programs and initiatives for the middle class and working poor,
while they, in turn, cut a big fat tax break for the rich and corporations who pay ZILCH in taxes.
And their corporate mega donors are gouging the fuck out of consumers so their tax cheater pal, Trump, can give them more goodies
like Trump's bribe to oil tycoons to TRASH environmental regulations for oil companies.
As usual GOP MAGAts fuck the consumer while Democrats get the blame.
Go figure.
10 OF THE LAST ELEVEN RECESSIONS OCCURRED UNDER A GOOP ADMINISTRATION.
senseandsensibility
(20,141 posts)Great rant!
B.See
(3,199 posts)To say I'm greatly disappointed in MANY of our citizenry would be a VAST understatement.
Tree Lady
(12,098 posts)On food they did in the early 80's with milk, eggs, sugar but Republican congress would never allow it.
Democrats need to find messaging about this.
FBaggins
(27,424 posts)It's an incredibly stupid idea... but they can.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)Just for fun I went to Joe's FB page. Full of trolls, but one in particular seemed to be real. (Most of them aren't, frankly.) I started questioning his assumptions about Biden and inflation. In between telling me how stupid I was (FB specialty) he was expounding on: "If a president can make prices go up, he can make them go down." I responded, "How does a president make prices go up? Tell me." He never responded.
Then there was the guy who stated, "Biden has plenty of inflation-fighting tools at hand. He isn't using them." I asked, "What are they?" I expected him to google and come up with propaganda. He just kept deflecting. I pushed, "What are they? Why can't you tell me?" Then I said, "You can't tell me because you don't know." He never responded.
RobinA
(10,107 posts)I avoid battles over politics. Start drilling down on what Trumpers say. No argument, questions. Two questions in on a subject and they usually hit a brick wall. It works every time. You can even do it on subjects you know nothing about, because all you have to do is ask questions and they don't usually know anything about what they are talking about either.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)They're so easy. I'm trying to be better behaved and not engage with these people.
wishstar
(5,477 posts)so why would a President seeking re-election keep prices and inflation high if they had the power to bring costs down.
But logic is not a strong point for many.
triron
(22,240 posts)Attilatheblond
(4,063 posts)I am beginning to think the reason so many are fine supporting the man who says he will get rid of the Constitution and be a dictator is because so many don't want to think, or can't. They don't want to take on the responsibilities of being informed citizens that goes along with enjoying citizenship in a democracy. Too friggen lazy to even try to think and learn anything. They want to be fed nonsense so they have more time to engage in hating people and watching reality TV that has absolutely no resemblance to reality. They want to have their petty grievances and major bigotries given a seal of approval by some father figure.
Their willful ignorance will loose our democracy. I swear, sometimes I can feel Dr Franklin shudder and shake his head.
Demsrule86
(70,800 posts)Celerity
(46,154 posts)elocs
(23,030 posts)including ones who voted for Biden in 2020. Just as long as they are smart enough to vote for him again.
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)So it is entirely plausible that the majority of citizens fall prey to disinformation.
Jilly_in_VA
(10,771 posts)Old farts with landlines, still? Nobody EVER asked me.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Shermann
(8,499 posts)In addition to moving the markets, in this environment these meetings can move elections.
David__77
(23,863 posts)People hold politicians responsible for overall conditions. Thats not new. Polls arent about semantics.
bdamomma
(65,693 posts)greed not President Biden. President Biden is on the corporate's back side. He is out to get them.
GoodRaisin
(9,513 posts)or their two senators. They are too busy watching Netflix or playing video games.
DFW
(56,281 posts)"'No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."
Or, apparently, their intelligence.
betsuni
(27,251 posts)Again, making everything personal, conspiracies, bad motives only for Democrats. Murc's law.