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senseandsensibility

(18,315 posts)
Thu May 23, 2024, 08:23 PM May 23

59% of Americans think that Biden controls inflation and prices

Just saw on Joy Reid. No wonder Joe's poll numbers on the economy are so bad. We are dealing with extreme ignorance and the corporate media's propaganda is not helping.

Joy and Stephanie R. are telling the truth about corporate greed and how that is what is causing inflation, NOT President Biden.

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59% of Americans think that Biden controls inflation and prices (Original Post) senseandsensibility May 23 OP
in office presidents are typically held responsible for this sort of thing nt msongs May 23 #1
And is that justified? ZZenith May 23 #2
its the way it is justified or not nt msongs May 23 #3
Why are you trying to normalize it further? ZZenith May 24 #14
Recognizing reality is "justifying" it now? nt FBaggins May 26 #27
Where did I use the word "justifying?" ZZenith May 26 #30
In post #2? FBaggins May 27 #35
Correct. ZZenith May 27 #38
It was your question that was the attempt at spin FBaggins May 27 #39
Sighing and shrugging and saying, "That's just the way it is," ZZenith May 27 #43
Not the point. The point is that we have WAY too many people who are under-educated on economics and politics. Bob0264 May 23 #6
If Trump was president, I have little doubt that he would be blamed for it by people here MichMan May 24 #13
True, but most of us would point to specific actions that Trump DID control RandomNumbers May 27 #37
Yep, they believe that we live in a USSR-style command economy... keep_left May 23 #4
"gooder"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. NT Tickle May 23 #5
Some schools teach it well. Others not so much. Even if taught, many don't learn it, or forget it, or whatever. Bob0264 May 23 #7
Refuses to push the "Make Economy Gooder" button and the Blame Democrats chorus begins. betsuni May 24 #15
And 'gooder' is the word they would use too. triron May 24 #18
except things didn't work like that even in the old Soviet Union DBoon May 26 #32
Correct--but unfortunately, many of them nonetheless believe that... keep_left May 26 #33
to the annoyance of many unsuspecting frogs DBoon May 26 #34
Right on! oasis May 27 #44
Democracy cannot survive a stupid electorate. surfered May 23 #8
Unfortunately true. triron May 24 #19
No doubt that 59% includes B.See May 23 #9
This should be an OP! senseandsensibility May 23 #10
Thanks. There's been plenty to rant about of late B.See May 23 #12
The government can set prices Tree Lady May 26 #25
They can... FBaggins May 26 #29
Doesn't surprise me. shrike3 May 23 #11
This Is How RobinA May 24 #17
It's one of my guilty pleasures. shrike3 May 26 #21
Makes no sense since the Pres. wants to be popular and get re-elected wishstar May 24 #16
Oh, come on. It's just plain old horse sense. 🫣 triron May 24 #20
Logic not being their strong suit is an understatement. Attilatheblond May 27 #41
You can't .ix stupid. Demsrule86 May 26 #22
TBH, I am surpised it is not higher. Celerity May 26 #23
It's scary that 59% of Americans can be so stupid and misinformed, elocs May 26 #24
50% are already below average Generic Brad May 27 #40
What idiots are they polling? Jilly_in_VA May 26 #26
"Controls" or "responsible for"? TexasDem69 May 26 #28
The next Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) meeting will be held on June 11-12 Shermann May 26 #31
I don't see a big issue with this. The government has macroeconomic controls. David__77 May 27 #36
It's Corporate bdamomma May 27 #42
59% of people probably can't tell you the name of their congressional representatives GoodRaisin May 28 #45
As Mencken said, DFW May 28 #46
What's hard to understand is why anyone thinks Biden is deliberately hiking prices. betsuni May 28 #47

FBaggins

(27,256 posts)
39. It was your question that was the attempt at spin
Mon May 27, 2024, 05:56 PM
May 27

You were (correctly) told that's how things are. It doesn't matter whether or not people are justified in believing it... it is the norm, so nobody is "normalizing" it by recognizing the simple truth.

What is more - there is no spinning away from it. When inflation rates were falling, the administration was quick and consistent in claiming that it was because of their actions and the IRA. Every administration wants to take credit for anything good in the economy and blame the last guy for anything bad (both whether they're justified or not). But there are enough "transitory" quotes from the first year of the administration to burn any idea of diverting blame.

The only viable strategy (which happens to have the advantage of being true) is to point out that we're still the better party to manage the economy for the next four years.

ZZenith

(4,195 posts)
43. Sighing and shrugging and saying, "That's just the way it is,"
Mon May 27, 2024, 11:46 PM
May 27

is the very definition of normalizing it.

 

Bob0264

(12 posts)
6. Not the point. The point is that we have WAY too many people who are under-educated on economics and politics.
Thu May 23, 2024, 09:21 PM
May 23

WAY too many people don't know diddly squat about economics and politics. Pathetic!

MichMan

(12,273 posts)
13. If Trump was president, I have little doubt that he would be blamed for it by people here
Fri May 24, 2024, 12:27 AM
May 24

Just how it is

RandomNumbers

(17,885 posts)
37. True, but most of us would point to specific actions that Trump DID control
Mon May 27, 2024, 12:19 PM
May 27

such as raising tariffs and harassing immigrants who harvest a lot of our food. (to name just a couple off the top of my head)

keep_left

(1,926 posts)
4. Yep, they believe that we live in a USSR-style command economy...
Thu May 23, 2024, 08:41 PM
May 23

...and President Biden has a big red button on his desk that says "Make Economy Gooder". And for some reason, Biden simply refuses to push that button.

This is yet another example why we need a serious overhaul of the way that civics is taught in the schools.


 

Bob0264

(12 posts)
7. Some schools teach it well. Others not so much. Even if taught, many don't learn it, or forget it, or whatever.
Thu May 23, 2024, 09:23 PM
May 23

Even if taught, they don't learn it, forget it, or whatever. Then they rely on garbage internet sites, tik tok etc. for their information. Sad.

betsuni

(26,559 posts)
15. Refuses to push the "Make Economy Gooder" button and the Blame Democrats chorus begins.
Fri May 24, 2024, 01:48 AM
May 24

The belief there are simple solutions and the only reason they aren't done are bad motives.

DBoon

(22,588 posts)
32. except things didn't work like that even in the old Soviet Union
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:57 PM
May 26

There is no such button, just like kissing a frog will not cause it to turn into a handsome prince

surfered

(1,056 posts)
8. Democracy cannot survive a stupid electorate.
Thu May 23, 2024, 09:54 PM
May 23

Although FOX News leads in the ratings, a 2023 survey found that only 12% of Americans regularly watch it. Why 59% of Americans believe something is true when it is not, is a mystery to me.

B.See

(2,060 posts)
9. No doubt that 59% includes
Thu May 23, 2024, 10:17 PM
May 23

the woefully misinformed and those who, for whatever reasons, WANT to believe Biden controls these things.

It's far easier to find a convenient scapegoat than to understand all of the complex factors and players involved (like corporate price gouging for example)..

Especially when one chooses to ignore the positive indicators of a strong economy under Biden.

Granted it may not translate as such when some are looking at their bottom line and may be struggling. But at least place the blame where it properly lies.

Republicans undermined and opposed consumer protections from predatory banking and lending practices, they opposed a higher federal minimum wage, student debt relief, collective bargaining, the stimulus package, the infrastructure bill, and other assistance programs and initiatives for the middle class and working poor,

while they, in turn, cut a big fat tax break for the rich and corporations who pay ZILCH in taxes.

And their corporate mega donors are gouging the fuck out of consumers so their tax cheater pal, Trump, can give them more goodies

like Trump's bribe to oil tycoons to TRASH environmental regulations for oil companies.

As usual GOP MAGAts fuck the consumer while Democrats get the blame.

Go figure.

10 OF THE LAST ELEVEN RECESSIONS OCCURRED UNDER A GOOP ADMINISTRATION.

B.See

(2,060 posts)
12. Thanks. There's been plenty to rant about of late
Thu May 23, 2024, 11:50 PM
May 23

To say I'm greatly disappointed in MANY of our citizenry would be a VAST understatement.

Tree Lady

(11,745 posts)
25. The government can set prices
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:57 PM
May 26

On food they did in the early 80's with milk, eggs, sugar but Republican congress would never allow it.

Democrats need to find messaging about this.

shrike3

(5,200 posts)
11. Doesn't surprise me.
Thu May 23, 2024, 11:38 PM
May 23

Just for fun I went to Joe's FB page. Full of trolls, but one in particular seemed to be real. (Most of them aren't, frankly.) I started questioning his assumptions about Biden and inflation. In between telling me how stupid I was (FB specialty) he was expounding on: "If a president can make prices go up, he can make them go down." I responded, "How does a president make prices go up? Tell me." He never responded.

Then there was the guy who stated, "Biden has plenty of inflation-fighting tools at hand. He isn't using them." I asked, "What are they?" I expected him to google and come up with propaganda. He just kept deflecting. I pushed, "What are they? Why can't you tell me?" Then I said, "You can't tell me because you don't know." He never responded.

RobinA

(9,969 posts)
17. This Is How
Fri May 24, 2024, 12:16 PM
May 24

I avoid battles over politics. Start drilling down on what Trumpers say. No argument, questions. Two questions in on a subject and they usually hit a brick wall. It works every time. You can even do it on subjects you know nothing about, because all you have to do is ask questions and they don't usually know anything about what they are talking about either.

shrike3

(5,200 posts)
21. It's one of my guilty pleasures.
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:19 PM
May 26

They're so easy. I'm trying to be better behaved and not engage with these people.

wishstar

(5,307 posts)
16. Makes no sense since the Pres. wants to be popular and get re-elected
Fri May 24, 2024, 02:14 AM
May 24

so why would a President seeking re-election keep prices and inflation high if they had the power to bring costs down.

But logic is not a strong point for many.

Attilatheblond

(2,884 posts)
41. Logic not being their strong suit is an understatement.
Mon May 27, 2024, 07:50 PM
May 27

I am beginning to think the reason so many are fine supporting the man who says he will get rid of the Constitution and be a dictator is because so many don't want to think, or can't. They don't want to take on the responsibilities of being informed citizens that goes along with enjoying citizenship in a democracy. Too friggen lazy to even try to think and learn anything. They want to be fed nonsense so they have more time to engage in hating people and watching reality TV that has absolutely no resemblance to reality. They want to have their petty grievances and major bigotries given a seal of approval by some father figure.

Their willful ignorance will loose our democracy. I swear, sometimes I can feel Dr Franklin shudder and shake his head.

elocs

(22,826 posts)
24. It's scary that 59% of Americans can be so stupid and misinformed,
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:42 PM
May 26

including ones who voted for Biden in 2020. Just as long as they are smart enough to vote for him again.

Generic Brad

(14,314 posts)
40. 50% are already below average
Mon May 27, 2024, 06:08 PM
May 27

So it is entirely plausible that the majority of citizens fall prey to disinformation.

Shermann

(7,761 posts)
31. The next Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) meeting will be held on June 11-12
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:56 PM
May 26

In addition to moving the markets, in this environment these meetings can move elections.

David__77

(23,813 posts)
36. I don't see a big issue with this. The government has macroeconomic controls.
Mon May 27, 2024, 12:10 PM
May 27

People hold politicians responsible for overall conditions. That’s not new. Polls aren’t about semantics.

bdamomma

(64,553 posts)
42. It's Corporate
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:03 PM
May 27

greed not President Biden. President Biden is on the corporate's back side. He is out to get them.

GoodRaisin

(9,097 posts)
45. 59% of people probably can't tell you the name of their congressional representatives
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:21 AM
May 28

or their two senators. They are too busy watching Netflix or playing video games.

DFW

(55,241 posts)
46. As Mencken said,
Tue May 28, 2024, 05:31 AM
May 28

"'No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."

Or, apparently, their intelligence.

betsuni

(26,559 posts)
47. What's hard to understand is why anyone thinks Biden is deliberately hiking prices.
Tue May 28, 2024, 06:17 AM
May 28

Again, making everything personal, conspiracies, bad motives only for Democrats. Murc's law.

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