Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

RandySF

(61,450 posts)
Wed May 22, 2024, 09:28 PM May 22

Ohio Elections Official Says He Will Soon Exclude Biden From the Ballot

The Ohio General Assembly adjourned on Wednesday without addressing an issue that the state’s top elections official said would prevent President Biden from being placed on the ballot there, escalating a partisan clash that could result in the president not being on the ballot in all 50 states in November.

Frank LaRose, the Republican secretary of state, has said that he plans to exclude Mr. Biden from the ballot because he will be officially nominated after a deadline for certifying presidential nominees on the ballot. This is usually a minor procedural issue, and states have almost always offered a quick solution to ensure that major presidential candidates remain on the ballot.

But a legislative fix, which would push back the certification deadline to accommodate the late date of the Democratic National Convention, stalled out this month as Republicans in the Ohio Senate tacked on a partisan measure that would ban foreign donations to state ballot initiatives. Mr. LaRose has previously said that passing the ban is the price that Democrats must pay to ensure that Mr. Biden is on the ballot, and that he would otherwise enforce the law as written.

Charles Lutvak, a spokesman for the Biden campaign, said the campaign was “assessing next steps accordingly.”






https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/22/us/politics/biden-ohio-ballot.html


43 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Ohio Elections Official Says He Will Soon Exclude Biden From the Ballot (Original Post) RandySF May 22 OP
Write in candidate? Freethinker65 May 22 #1
In OH, a write in candidate has to be registered. So that won't work. LisaL May 22 #8
This will surely be taken to court and thus cost the state money to reprint ballots with Biden on them. brush May 22 #2
He is a fool Marthe48 May 22 #6
They are not printing any ballots as of now. LisaL May 22 #9
These kind of deadlines have been approved by the courts before Zeitghost May 22 #22
There's always a higher court. Such a foolish decision will be appealed. brush May 23 #32
A mean minded stunt paid for by the Ohio taxpayer. Irish_Dem May 23 #26
They figure they can get away with it because B.See May 23 #43
I have lost hope. Eliot Rosewater May 22 #3
This will get fixed RussBLib May 22 #5
How exactly is it going to be fixed? LisaL May 22 #10
If I knew that.... RussBLib May 22 #17
I think it's a given Biden won't win OH. LisaL May 22 #20
The fix is to hold a pre-convention online nomination. SOLVED! Email your state DNC reps and tell them to do it. Bob0264 May 23 #28
You better write too! Hope22 May 23 #39
It can be fixed Abstractartist May 23 #33
In Ohio this sis a fact of life. Hope22 May 23 #38
Wouldn't that give Colorado a green light to do the same? ColinC May 22 #4
I knew GOP would not allow the election to take place in such a way that the winner wins, that I was Eliot Rosewater May 22 #13
To be fair, it probably won't mean much if Biden runs a serious write in campaign ColinC May 23 #24
They'll just figure out a way to cancel write-ins then John Shaft May 23 #25
Write in candidates have to be registered in OH in order to be LisaL May 23 #29
If they are on the ballot, how are they a write in? ColinC May 23 #41
Can you write in someone? Eliot Rosewater May 23 #40
Why don't Democrats just organize a big Zoom call to nominate Biden and get this fucking thing over with? Silent3 May 22 #7
I'm sure something along those lines is considered Maeve May 22 #19
This is the clear path Mountainguy May 22 #21
Don't know who screwed up to cause this, but GOPers are gonna make us pay/sweat. Eventually, Silent Type May 22 #11
That is where I am. this is on the party Cosmocat May 23 #31
They try enforcing that and there will be hell to pay budkin May 22 #12
OH SOS is certainly going to enforce it, he said as much. LisaL May 22 #14
Why would there be opposition to banning foreign donations to fund state ballot initiatives? MichMan May 22 #15
They took Biden hostage. RandySF May 22 #16
Here. LisaL May 22 #18
George Soros, the wicked financier of all things Democrat. NBachers May 22 #23
No, it is actually the part owner of the football (real football, not American style) team I grew up near and have Celerity May 23 #30
***EMAIL YOUR STATE DNC REPS AND URGE THEM TO VOTE TO HOLD AN ONLINE "PRE-CONVENTION" NOMINATION PROCESS.*** Bob0264 May 23 #27
But foreign money is ok for other ballot issues/races? Raven123 May 23 #34
One asshole can do that eh? pwb May 23 #35
They'd better fucking take this seriously and deal with it, otherwise we'll lose by default. Crunchy Frog May 23 #36
Pretend it's Monday DVRacer May 23 #37
That's some fucking bullshit. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with this. Initech May 23 #42

Freethinker65

(10,181 posts)
1. Write in candidate?
Wed May 22, 2024, 09:33 PM
May 22

Biden cannot just concede the state. There are congressional seats to consider.

However, this is the State that elected idiot Vance, so perhaps with Trump a "given", fewer Republicans will actually vote.

brush

(54,513 posts)
2. This will surely be taken to court and thus cost the state money to reprint ballots with Biden on them.
Wed May 22, 2024, 09:33 PM
May 22

So foolish for that election official to think he/she can get away with that.

brush

(54,513 posts)
32. There's always a higher court. Such a foolish decision will be appealed.
Thu May 23, 2024, 07:40 AM
May 23

No way one of our two major party candidates won't be on the Ohio ballot without a court battle.

B.See

(1,652 posts)
43. They figure they can get away with it because
Thu May 23, 2024, 11:59 PM
May 23

they know they have a pro Trump fascist, insurectionist dominated SC who's in the tank for Trump.

On the other hand that might just be the last straw for Democrats to finally get as pissed as we already should have been.

RussBLib

(9,118 posts)
17. If I knew that....
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:39 PM
May 22

...I'd play the horses.

They have time to work it out. Can't tell you the contours of the agreement, obviously, but I find it highly unlikely that they will ultimately keep Biden off the ballot.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

LisaL

(45,037 posts)
20. I think it's a given Biden won't win OH.
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:43 PM
May 22

So this mostly affects the Senate race and other down the ticket races. The theory goes, if democrats can't vote for president, a lot won't bother to vote.
But who knows, maybe republicans will be the ones who won't bother to vote if Trump runs un-opposed.

 

Bob0264

(12 posts)
28. The fix is to hold a pre-convention online nomination. SOLVED! Email your state DNC reps and tell them to do it.
Thu May 23, 2024, 06:24 AM
May 23

Last edited Thu May 23, 2024, 03:40 PM - Edit history (1)

The DNC can nominate Biden online before the convention. They may need to make a rules change first, then hold the vote. All can be done online well before this deadline. Then just use the convention for what it is. A big rally and party with a bunch of speeches. The nomination vote is just a formality. We all know who the nominee is going to be. I mean, duh. Just do an online nomination well before Ohio's deadline and be done with this nonsense. Courts often uphold these deadlines.

In Maine we do all the major state convention votes online BEFORE the state convention. It's simple.

Hope22

(2,002 posts)
39. You better write too!
Thu May 23, 2024, 04:36 PM
May 23

You are about to lose a Dem Senator if this shit goes down. Hmm…so why do you think the R’s in Ohio care. They will claim TSF AND ANOTHER VANCE! Good luck with that! This shit is real and very disheartening to people who have been working to put this state back together!

Abstractartist

(18 posts)
33. It can be fixed
Thu May 23, 2024, 01:07 PM
May 23

The deadline is 90 before election. The DNC must act after the final primary in June. The electoral delegates for the democrats must all meet on a zoom conference and cast their votes for nomination, with the witnessing of election officials. Once President Biden receives the proper amount of delegates to be the nominee, it can be officially registered and Ohio has zero standing. Any laziness or ridiculous timing on the Dems part will be a very bad situation and will be costly. This is my own personal opinion and may not even be correct, but my other opinion is one can’t rely on a court ruling.

Hope22

(2,002 posts)
38. In Ohio this sis a fact of life.
Thu May 23, 2024, 04:32 PM
May 23

The issues we passed in November still haven’t been implemented! Ohio senate still has NOT implemented them! We have had to vote and revote and gerrymandering STILL it is not fixed. The League of Women voters works their butts off To no avail. If they stop hundreds of thousands of people from voting in a presidential election things may get real ugly. No one deserves to have their vote stolen. As a woman being threatened by the court this is the icing in the cake. Only a fool would not feel hopeless! All should worry. You could be next.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,244 posts)
13. I knew GOP would not allow the election to take place in such a way that the winner wins, that I was
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:27 PM
May 22

sure of, and I guess this is part of how they will do it.

ColinC

(8,500 posts)
24. To be fair, it probably won't mean much if Biden runs a serious write in campaign
Thu May 23, 2024, 05:04 AM
May 23

I wouldn’t even be surprised if he wins Ohio as a write-in

LisaL

(45,037 posts)
29. Write in candidates have to be registered in OH in order to be
Thu May 23, 2024, 07:22 AM
May 23

included on the ballot. So there is no such thing as a serious write in campaign.

ColinC

(8,500 posts)
41. If they are on the ballot, how are they a write in?
Thu May 23, 2024, 11:36 PM
May 23

Isn’t the definition of a write in candidate somebody who is not on the ballot?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,244 posts)
40. Can you write in someone?
Thu May 23, 2024, 07:21 PM
May 23

I think it would be a disaster if people had to do that and I think counting those votes would be become an issue also…, fucking Republicans have no intention of letting us have an actual election.

Silent3

(15,618 posts)
7. Why don't Democrats just organize a big Zoom call to nominate Biden and get this fucking thing over with?
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:18 PM
May 22

It shouldn't be so hard to answer one technicality being played against us with technicality move of our own.

Maeve

(42,398 posts)
19. I'm sure something along those lines is considered
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:42 PM
May 22

Conventions are traditional but not strictly necessary
That said, the Ohio lege are idjits and jerks, at least in the majority. We used to have some sense, but now.....

Mountainguy

(694 posts)
21. This is the clear path
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:50 PM
May 22

Democrats control how they are going to nominate their candidate. There isn't any doubt on who will get the nomination either. Just hold a call ahead of the deadline and nominate.

Hold the conference as planned and do it all again there for the cameras.

Silent Type

(3,498 posts)
11. Don't know who screwed up to cause this, but GOPers are gonna make us pay/sweat. Eventually,
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:24 PM
May 22

someone will come to their senses, at least I used to think that.

Cosmocat

(14,630 posts)
31. That is where I am. this is on the party
Thu May 23, 2024, 07:36 AM
May 23

This should, and long has been, part of the election planning process for parties in each of the states, knowing the deadline and making sure they hold their conventions prior.

And, we have LONG been past the point where anyone should be naive enough to think that republicans will honor past practices based on being a decent and civil citizenry.

budkin

(6,785 posts)
12. They try enforcing that and there will be hell to pay
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:26 PM
May 22

You think if this were Trump the Dems would even be attempting it?

MichMan

(12,091 posts)
15. Why would there be opposition to banning foreign donations to fund state ballot initiatives?
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:33 PM
May 22
But a legislative fix, which would push back the certification deadline to accommodate the late date of the Democratic National Convention, stalled out this month as Republicans in the Ohio Senate tacked on a partisan measure that would ban foreign donations to state ballot initiatives.

Celerity

(44,496 posts)
30. No, it is actually the part owner of the football (real football, not American style) team I grew up near and have
Thu May 23, 2024, 07:34 AM
May 23

followed my entire life.

Hansjörg Wyss, who owns a smallish part of Chelsea. He is a Swiss national.

 

Bob0264

(12 posts)
27. ***EMAIL YOUR STATE DNC REPS AND URGE THEM TO VOTE TO HOLD AN ONLINE "PRE-CONVENTION" NOMINATION PROCESS.***
Thu May 23, 2024, 06:15 AM
May 23

People need to understand that the RePUKElicans are absolute FASCISTS and in Ohio they are ULTRA-CORRUPT. They are sick Trump-humping ultra right wing scumbags who hate democracy and love their power. Their Sec. of State tried to do a referendum to make it harder to pass other referendums just to stop the pro-abortion referendum from passing. He is a fascist scumbag. Luckily Ohioans voted that down and then passed the pro-abortion referendum by 57%. They are now trying to undo their fascist gerrymandering. It is what the RePUKElicans do. They were NEVER going to allow Biden on ballot through granting an exception even though they made exceptions in the past for BOTH parties over their stupid nomination deadline rule.

The solution here is simple. The DNC can determine how to nominate its presidential candidate. It may take a rules vote, so do it. Hold a virtual vote online to change the rules to then allow for a virtual online nomination and then do that. It could be done in one sitting. It could
possibly be done on a zoom call, or just through an online form voting process. Send delegates user name and password codes and do it that way. It's not that hard. In Maine we do major votes like this virtually online before the state convention and then use the convention for all the speeches and the county-level breakout sessions where county level business is taken care of. There, problem solved! Just do it. Use the national convention as the SHOW that it is for the speeches etc. The nomination process is just a formality. Do it beforehand.

I have emailed my state DNC reps TWICE urging them to do this. If you go to your state party website you should be able to find the names and email addresses of your state's DNC reps.

Raven123

(5,085 posts)
34. But foreign money is ok for other ballot issues/races?
Thu May 23, 2024, 02:57 PM
May 23

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the GOP is still pi$$ed about the Reproductive Rights amendment.

Crunchy Frog

(26,752 posts)
36. They'd better fucking take this seriously and deal with it, otherwise we'll lose by default.
Thu May 23, 2024, 04:18 PM
May 23

At this point, no one in our party should be acting like they think republicans will behave reasonably in the end.

DVRacer

(711 posts)
37. Pretend it's Monday
Thu May 23, 2024, 04:29 PM
May 23

The teacher says look your book report is due on Friday. You decide well every other year she let me turn it in on Monday so I will wait until Sunday to write it. On Tuesday she reiterated no late turn in its due on Friday.
Election deadlines enshrined in law will stand scrutiny even if we don’t find it fair. DNC it’s Tuesday figure out a way to turn in your paper by Friday. Do it now don’t wait have a plan and do it.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Ohio Elections Official S...