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By way of background, I have about another year to reach full retirement age and my circumstances will be best if I get to that age before I retire and quit my job.
Ive worked for a national home builder for about three years now. I am in Texas.
I have a coworker who is a Trump supporter and there is constant innuendo about all things right wing. I try not to engage and try to blow it off as much as I can.
Several months ago during a discussion with me, she started talking about abortion. I immediately made it known that I didnt think we should continue the conversation because I felt we would disagree. She persisted. I finally admitted to her that I was pro-choice. She asked me when I thought a baby became a human being and I answered that my opinion was when the baby takes the first breath independent of the mother.
She commented back to me that I should take that up with God, to which I replied that my relationship with God (yes, I am a believer) was just fine.
Over the months since, she has started conversations about gun control, etc., and I have disengaged without much comment. These conversations are uncomfortable - whether they are allowed to go forward for a bit OR whether they are nipped immediately in the bud. They shouldnt be happening at all, but the reality is that nothing would be done about her even if I did make a complaint to HR.
The point to this post is this: the moment that occurred months ago where she told me that I needed to take that up with God was a defining moment with me. In that moment, I made the determination that I could never be friends with her, or anyone like her. I have been that way all of my life. I cant be friends with these crazies. They dont have a place in my personal life. I am civil and cordial with her during any job related exchange. I think she thinks we are friends. We are not. I have never once done anything with her outside of the office. Weve had the dreaded team building lunches which weve both attended, but Ive never invited her to a specific lunch, had her over for dinner, etc.
Work is a toxic environment. Its just that way sometimes, especially in Texas where few employee safeguards are left. I want to just do my job and get to the time when I can retire, say goodbye, and never see this person again.
Maybe Im too cut and dry, but I could never be friends with anyone who doesnt understand what it means for a woman to have control over her reproductive rights. Im long past the age where I would ever have to worry about needing to end a pregnancy, but I will be damned if I have to spend my personal time with someone who thinks my daughter should be forced to bear a child if it was my daughters choice not to do that.
We must vote accordingly.
Srkdqltr
(6,564 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,348 posts)just cover your ears and go "LA LA LA" until she stops. She'll take the hint eventually. Honestly, whether you agree with each other or not, discussing such matters is a waste of the company's time.
MOMFUDSKI
(6,265 posts)work, I know, but turn on your heel and WALK AWAY. Sorry for your situation but great rant!
SWBTATTReg
(22,540 posts)you believe in or stand for. What a jerk. And that smart-ass (pardon) remark about 'take that up w/ God'? How f**king rude this is. Disgusting.
The point to this post is this: the moment that occurred months ago where she told me that I needed to take that up with God was a defining moment with me. In that moment, I made the determination that I could never be friends with her, or anyone like her.
calimary
(81,988 posts)1) smile and look harmless.
2) when she starts up, gasp slightly, hold up an index finger, and exclaim OH! I forgot!
3) quickly mumble sorry
and LEAVE the scene immediately.
You can go to another room, go check your messages, visit the bathroom, wherever seems convenient, but bottom line: change your proximity to her.
Grins
(7,372 posts)I would not be as generous if I was on the receiving end of, "take that up with God, crap.
yorkster
(1,623 posts)I would also be far less patient.
orwell
(7,789 posts)Genesis 2 : 7
So life begins at birth as fetuses do not breathe through their nostrils in the womb..
But we wouldn't want her own book to get in the way of her marching orders from Rupert Murdoch...
3catwoman3
(24,331 posts)Im tempted to get that printed up on some business size cards to have handy in case I ever need this brilliant response.
TBF
(32,297 posts)I am in Texas as well (moved here for my husband's job 20+ years ago). Nearly everyone I have met here is classified as "acquaintance" in Facebook because they are not really friends. They are just people I need to interact with. I have found a few actual friends here and there, but not many, and have become a recluse as a result. They are all extremely pushy with their religion - in the public schools, when you meet them at events, etc.
I have a few more years until my kiddos are done with school and then I have some serious decisions to make about whether I stay here.
hamsterjill
(15,243 posts)My advice? Move when you safely can. Its not going to get any better.
Im near San Antonio.
DUgosh
(3,068 posts)And Tarpley - prolly the only Democratic individuals in all of Medina County
DENVERPOPS
(9,113 posts)across the entire country. They go off on many issues, whether you want to listen or not.
I used to challenge them, which was a complete waste of time.......................
Now I have the perfect way I stop it dead in my tracks:
I tell them: I quit following politics years ago, as a waste of time, due to the fact that both sides LIE continuously and they are all crooks.
Their typical response is, they stand there, thinking, and then they say, yea you're right and quit talking......It works every time.....
peppertree
(22,065 posts)They'll goad you and provoke until you reply - and then you're the "problem."
I lived in Texas for a couple of years - in the Bush years, no less - and it was almost as bad.
It's a little like The Crucible and 1984 rolled up into one - with some Kafka thrown in - and you're very brave to have stuck around, knowing what you do.
All the Best, Jill.
rmac3075
(32 posts)The answer you gave is official Catholic doctrine ; a stillborn baby cannot be baptized nor can last rights be given.
SARose
(387 posts)Way to shut her down. An old Texas saying
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Marthe48
(17,434 posts)Ty
Dear_Prudence
(472 posts)Sometimes you can knock them off their track by abruptly changing to a neutral subject like food, pets, local store sales, or gardening. But sometimes LaLaLa humming is the best choice. You will enjoy retirement because you get to weed out those annoying coworkers. Good luck.
tazkcmo
(7,320 posts)Eliminate as much toxicity from your life that you can. In one year, it'll be all about YOU! Focus on that.
Good luck and hang in there.
barbtries
(28,873 posts)you disagree about things, why is she the one who gets to spew bullshit all day long and you can't even say, that's bullshit?
but i do get it. I worked in a professional environment in 2016 and one of my co-workers was an avid republican and trump supporter. after the election i went to my doctor and got a prescription for an anti-anxiety med so that i could maintain professionalism around her.
Joinfortmill
(14,792 posts)MLAA
(17,550 posts)KS Toronado
(17,848 posts)tell her you'll pay her a $100 to show you proof how Biden stole the election, and if she comes up with
anything then it's a) Supreme Court threw that excuse out for lack of evidence, I was talking real proof with
facts, b) if this is true how come TSF hasn't rushed to the Supreme Court with this information that was
so easy for you to find but apparently nobody in his orbit is aware it it.
Show her you're smarter than she is then say "Let's keep politics out of our friendship" , she thinks you 2
are friends so talk her language.
Hope22
(2,002 posts)We would walk at least three times a week. We tried to steer clear of politics but from time to time she would start in on abortion. She knew I didnt see it her way but continued none the less. When the state went to the useless six week abortion law she was victorious. My heart was crushed with the ruling but I didnt waste my breath adding anything to the conversation. The very next day after abortion was killed in the state this woman started in can you believe those trans people!? I lost my nut ant told her I just couldnt do this anymore. Her preacher or whoever was filling the void in her head would never stop trying to kill the freedoms of others. That was the last day I talked to. Full on fed up! She was shocked that I drew the line on her verbal abuse. Its not really friendship when one person does all of the listening.
KS Toronado
(17,848 posts)Good morning!
hamsterjill
(15,243 posts)I SO understand what you did and think you did just the right thing. Get the toxicity as far away from you as you can.
Hope22
(2,002 posts)I waited too long though. I burst out singing Onward Christian Soldier! I song we sang in Sunday School in the elementary years! Its rude of me to laugh right now but that woman broke me!😁🤣
patphil
(6,352 posts)Genesis 2 7
Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
The bible is pretty clear here. Of course it refers to spiritual life; the instilling of a soul into the body of the newborn baby. That is the point when the baby becomes a human child, and has a connection to God through it's own holy spirit.
Without the ability to take in that first breath, we have a stillborn, dead, baby that has no soul. Even the Catholic Church recognizes that a stillborn baby can't be baptized, since it is not a living child.
Please note, I make a distinction between a baby and a child. A child is a baby that has received a soul.
XanaDUer2
(11,143 posts)What a JERK. I saw a trumper with a shirt, suck it up buttercup god is in control
Freddie
(9,326 posts)Im good at changing the subject and making a note that this person is not a potential friend. Thankfully I live in a purple part of Pennsylvania.
The worst is when they know you disagree and they try to goad you into arguing. My hairdresser- who is awesome with my hair or Id have fired her years ago - is one of these. Abortion, immigration, vaccines, shes always bringing these things up and Im always changing the subject. How are your grandchildren? Im not going to change my viewpoint and she isnt either, might as well stay neutral.
3catwoman3
(24,331 posts)about ANYTHING unless they have given quite a clear and unsolicited indication that we share an outlook on whatever the topic may be.
Freddie
(9,326 posts)They simply assume you agree with them.
Caliman73
(11,764 posts)Conservatives often say that "Liberals are shoving ideology down our throats" which is really stupid since most Liberals want people to have the right to exist and do things for themselves in their daily lives. Like you said, on the issue of reproductive choice the operative word is CHOICE. Liberals do not tell other people YOU HAVE TO GET AN ABORTION. If you don't like abortion, don't get one, tell your family and friends not to get one. If you are religious, then pray to your god and have your all powerful, all knowing, omnipresent god stop abortion. We (Liberals) are not forcing anything on anyone. We want people to have a choice about what to do.
On Race and Gender, Liberals want people to simply accept and allow people to be who they are without discrimination. Conservatives say, "Cis, Straight White men are the only group you can discriminate against" which is patently false, you can't discriminate legally against people based on race, sexuality, etc... Conservatives see challenges to their identity being dominant as discrimination. Because White men receive criticism and some social and economic backlash, in the form of protest and boycott against malicious actors; they say they are under attack because they are White Men. No, you are being criticized and receiving and economic admonition because you are acting like an asshole. That is how things work. If I own a store, and I say and do things that people don't like, then I expect some people are going to not want to buy from me or support me. That is just life.
Conservatives absolutely want to dictate to others what is acceptable or not. Liberals also have ideals on how society should look. The difference is that Conservatives actually want to actively dictate and force people to live the way they see fit, while Liberals tend to be more passive and within guidelines, want people to think and act as they wish, as long as they are not actively hurting others.