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demmiblue

(37,016 posts)
Tue May 21, 2024, 10:59 AM May 21

My heart is broken💔... No one should ever have to hear their wife say: "Get this dead baby out of me!".

My heart is broken💔: As friends & family know, my wife was pregnant with our 2nd child, & about to begin her 2nd trimester. A few days ago she had severe pains, & bleeding, and had to go to the emergency room. There, it was discovered that our baby no longer had a heartbeat. Devastated doesn't come close to what that feels like.

Unfortunately for people like us, because of the current laws in the state of Texas, that was only the beginning of this nightmare. Jess (my wife) had an "incomplete miscarriage", and what needed to happen, what was best for HER, and her health, was to terminate the pregnancy, and get the baby out.

The doctor gave her a medication that would move this process along, and sent her home. Where, apparently we would be handling it ourselves. We were told it might take a couple of attempts before it worked.

I'll let you decide how you feel about that.

After a long, painful night of the equivalent of early labor, the baby was still with her. So, we went back to the Emergency Center to get the 2nd dose. A new doctor was on call. He was an older man. You could hear him in the hallway as he said, "I'm not giving her a pill so she can go home and have an ab*rtion!". Being well aware that our baby no longer had a heartbeat. Then, he came into the room to say, and I quote: "Considering the current stance. I'm not going to prescribe you this pill". Then, just sent us on our way.

The "CURRENT STANCE"?! Did he really just say that?!

No one should ever have to hear their wife say: "Get this dead baby out of me!".

Can you even imagine how that must feel?

The pain, and the bleeding continued. So, we decided to go to another hospital, about an hour away. There was a female doctor on call there, and we thought we might have better luck.

I should probably mention, the procedure to get the baby out is called a D & C. It's scary, & traumatizing, but sometimes necessary in situations like ours. Especially in emergency circumstances.

So we get to the next hospital. They take Jess in, ask her a bunch of questions, do a new scan... confirm that the baby is still there, with no heartbeat, and then disappear... for hours. Only to come back in and keep asking the same questions over and over. It's becoming clear that they're primary concern is NOT my wife's health. Instead, they seem to be worried about the legalities involved.

So, they decide it is not "enough of an emergency" to perform the D & C.

They do, however, prescribe another, stronger, final dose of the medication for us to try again... at home.

So, we go home to try again. Another long day/night of early labor pains. Only to discover my wife UNCONSCIOUS in the bathroom. Having to pick my wife's cold, limp body off of that bathroom floor, not sure if I was about to lose her, is something I will NEVER forget.

She had to be rushed to the hospital.

By this point she had lost so much blood, and bodily fluid, her body gave out.

They were able to stabilize her, give her the fluids she needed, and we came back home yesterday afternoon. We were also able to confirm that our baby was no longer with her.

Now, not only do we have to live with the loss of our baby... we have to live with the nightmare of what we just experienced because of political and religious beliefs. MY WIFE'S HEALTH SHOULD HAVE COME FIRST. PERIOD!

God knows what mental and emotional damage this has done.

If you consider yourself a staunch "pro-lifer" ... 1) You've never been through what we just went through, and 2) You should take a long, hard look in the mirror and reevaluate your reasons for supporting such a cold, barbaric, ignorant point of view.
It's not that black & white, and it's never going to be.

If you think your "Pray To End Ab*rtion" sign in your yard is "Christian", I suggest you revisit the teachings of Jesus and try again. If you support these laws that make ab*rtion illegal, and result in people being put through what we just were, you should be ashamed of yourself. I've never been so angry, or heartbroken... and the devastation I'm feeling must pale in comparison to what my poor wife is feeling.




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My heart is broken💔... No one should ever have to hear their wife say: "Get this dead baby out of me!". (Original Post) demmiblue May 21 OP
I lost two advanced pregnancies...one was due to food poisoning...I was less than a month from birth... Demsrule86 May 21 #1
Jesus Christ - I'm really sorry to hear that. Thank God you made it. peppertree May 21 #13
Thanks for sharing your sad stories FakeNoose May 21 #18
Hugs and tears. I'm sorry. Oopsie Daisy May 21 #22
My Gosh Dorian Gray May 22 #52
Sad testimony to the insane situation we're dealing with. Baitball Blogger May 21 #2
You are Rebl2 May 21 #3
That is so freaking sad and wrong. nt 1WorldHope May 21 #4
This is what happens when no-medical people make medical laws. Absolutely Absurd. Srkdqltr May 21 #5
Wishy Washy Catch 22 MagickMuffin May 21 #6
It's irrelevant whether there's a heartbeat or not FakeNoose May 21 #19
I was getting ready to say the same thing. ShazzieB May 21 #32
Only when it comes to the timing of the ban does the "heartbeat" matter. Mariana May 22 #54
The doctors should be sued for malpractice. LiberalFighter May 21 #7
Expand the Supreme Court January 21st. rubbersole May 21 #8
If we have the house and senate NanaCat May 21 #40
So even a dead baby takes precedence over a live woman. Biophilic May 21 #9
Of course. It's more cruel that way. peppertree May 21 #11
Dead people do have more rights than a live woman. OMGWTF May 21 #12
Well, sure - the dead don't annoy Repug Bible thumpers. Women, on the other hand, do. peppertree May 21 #16
So. Much. Misogyny. OMGWTF May 21 #10
My wife had a D&C due to miscarriage. This hits hard. NT Happy Hoosier May 21 #14
I had four of them. NanaCat May 21 #41
The only way things seem to change is for family members of Abbott, Paxton, and Patrick suffer a similar experience. surfered May 21 #15
The GOP elite will always have the best medical care available. Irish_Dem May 21 #27
Ignorance , religion and politics malaise May 21 #17
Jesus never said a word about abortion wryter2000 May 21 #20
The worst book ever actually required NanaCat May 21 #42
You know the Bible better than I do wryter2000 May 21 #47
I am absolutely gutted to read this. BobTheSubgenius May 21 #21
he had an update this a.m. about all the ppl calling him a liar. mopinko May 21 #23
My US-based daughter had something similar happen to her within the last couple of years. DFW May 21 #24
Cruel and criminal people May 21 #25
Kick dalton99a May 21 #26
Heck Of A Post - A Must Read ProfessorGAC May 21 #28
Thank you for this. I am so sorry for your family. Take care. Evolve Dammit May 21 #29
Sue the crap out of them. I don't know how women live in these states. onecaliberal May 21 #30
Women live in those states in blissful ignorance until something like this happens to them or someone close to them. ShazzieB May 21 #34
I don't understand that. My young daughters pay close attention. onecaliberal May 21 #37
And even more of them are stuck there NanaCat May 21 #43
Thank you for pointing this out. It is NOT easy to leave someone or someplace minus resources ... Hekate May 21 #45
Oh, you noticed that too. It is the old slave states -- racism & misogyny tightly wound together in hatred of anyone Hekate May 21 #39
I had a D and C for a missed/incomplete miscarriage at a Catholic hospital in Michigan decades ago. Freethinker65 May 21 #31
I hear people say they're taking us back to the pre-Roe days radical noodle May 22 #49
In Texas, a dead baby has more value than a live woman. DemocraticPatriot May 21 #33
I'm willing to help people. It must be so scary. onecaliberal May 21 #38
Mexico is now more liberal about abortion NanaCat May 21 #44
Isn't that crazy? So is Colombia... DemocraticPatriot May 22 #56
Barbaric. Treating suffering pregnant woman like this in 2024is criminal. So horrible and hateful. Timeflyer May 21 #35
I don't mean this content to be humorous - it is as serious as a heart attack soldierant May 21 #36
If course not. It's a Horrifically Apt cartoon. electric_blue68 May 22 #50
awful!! I just don't understand how these laws are still standing. nt ecstatic May 21 #46
I had 2 miscarriages because of how my uterus is formed. Years later, demigoddess May 21 #48
this makes me angry. ugh BlueWaveNeverEnd May 22 #51
Truly heartbreaking... Trueblue Texan May 22 #53
So sorry Jean Genie May 22 #55

Demsrule86

(69,030 posts)
1. I lost two advanced pregnancies...one was due to food poisoning...I was less than a month from birth...
Tue May 21, 2024, 11:11 AM
May 21

My doctor being a kind soul sedated me so I didn't suffer, we had a small service-just family. This was in PA. The last one I lost was in GA where I had inadvertently hired a right-to-life OBGYN...he nearly killed me. If my husband had not got on a plane that morning when I told him I was in trouble and come home and gone immediately to the hospital, I would be dead. I was left unattended and bleeding out while the good Doctor waited for hormones to drop (which can take weeks by the way). I had a complete transfusion, platelets, and a DNC...was in the hospital for three weeks. I would have left four young children behind and was left infertile. When I went back to the doctor mostly to yell at him...he didn't even remember my name. I am so sorry.

peppertree

(21,914 posts)
13. Jesus Christ - I'm really sorry to hear that. Thank God you made it.
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:43 PM
May 21

In an even minimally functioning state, that fiend would've lost his medical license for life - followed by reckless endangerment charges (among others!) plus a big, fat emotional distress lawsuit.

But it was Jaw-ga - a very beautiful asylum taken over by the inmates, so it would seem. And the worst of the inmates to boot.

So thanks for sharing that; it musn't have been easy to write.

FakeNoose

(33,227 posts)
18. Thanks for sharing your sad stories
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:50 PM
May 21

It goes to show that these rightwing "anti-abortion" laws are really misogynistic and they can lead to deadly consequences. Luckily you and your husband were able to get proper pre-natal care through your own ingenuity. The state of Texas is doing its best to kill women of child-bearing age.

I'm sorry for your loss, but I'm glad you survived.

Dorian Gray

(13,557 posts)
52. My Gosh
Wed May 22, 2024, 05:52 AM
May 22

I am so sorry that happened to you. When I miscarried almost fourteen years ago, I had it easy here in NYC. Caring doctors who made sure I knew what my options were (waiting it out for natural expelling or D&C.). When I chose the latter, I had kind and caring doctors walk me through it all, including hugging me when it was over. I truly wanted that baby, and the miscarriage was heartbreaking. But once I lost the pregnancy, I wanted the whole experience over ASAP.

Baitball Blogger

(46,882 posts)
2. Sad testimony to the insane situation we're dealing with.
Tue May 21, 2024, 11:30 AM
May 21

Truth be told, nothing is going to change their mind until every pro-lifer experiences the same thing.

Rebl2

(13,730 posts)
3. You are
Tue May 21, 2024, 11:43 AM
May 21

right. Until it happens to their family, they have no clue. What they don’t seem to understand is it might make it more difficult for that woman to get pregnant in the future. It also could be so traumatic for them they don’t want to try again.

MagickMuffin

(16,062 posts)
6. Wishy Washy Catch 22
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:19 PM
May 21


The whole abortion debate was if there is a viable heartbeat. If there is no longer a heartbeat then what this poor woman endured should have been seen as a medical procedure.


The “baby’s” dead Jim! Show some f’ing compassion for Christ sakes.




FakeNoose

(33,227 posts)
19. It's irrelevant whether there's a heartbeat or not
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:59 PM
May 21

Last edited Tue May 21, 2024, 07:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Many religions teach that the fetus doesn't become human - in other words the soul doesn't enter the body - until the baby takes its first breath at birth. This is even taught in the Bible.

For ultra-conservatives (including Catholics) to have perverted this teaching into the creation of laws that control the freedom of women is just mind-blowing.

ShazzieB

(16,840 posts)
32. I was getting ready to say the same thing.
Tue May 21, 2024, 05:15 PM
May 21

I thought the heartbeat was their sacred litmus test. I thought their stance was "No heartbeat? No problem. That means the fetus is dead and there's no reason it can't be removed from the woman's body."

Turns out they're even crazier than I thought they were. A lot crazier. Wtaf.

Mariana

(14,867 posts)
54. Only when it comes to the timing of the ban does the "heartbeat" matter.
Wed May 22, 2024, 09:57 AM
May 22

The law bans abortions, period. You know those idiot lawmakers haven't the faintest idea that removing a dead fetus from a woman's body is an abortion, and that the law they wrote makes it a crime to do that.

NanaCat

(2,087 posts)
40. If we have the house and senate
Tue May 21, 2024, 10:07 PM
May 21

Biden can do it as soon as everyone's sworn in on 3 January. That's when the new Congress comes into session.

OMGWTF

(4,041 posts)
12. Dead people do have more rights than a live woman.
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:32 PM
May 21

You have to give prior written notice for anyone to use your body parts when you are dead.

peppertree

(21,914 posts)
16. Well, sure - the dead don't annoy Repug Bible thumpers. Women, on the other hand, do.
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:47 PM
May 21

That makes them instant targets.

surfered

(749 posts)
15. The only way things seem to change is for family members of Abbott, Paxton, and Patrick suffer a similar experience.
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:44 PM
May 21

I’m not rooting for that, but it’s similar for the treatment of gays and transgender . There’s more acceptance when it’s a family member. It seems easy for these people to disrespect and maltreat strangers .

It’s maddening. Hopefully, sharing your story will help.

Irish_Dem

(49,832 posts)
27. The GOP elite will always have the best medical care available.
Tue May 21, 2024, 01:45 PM
May 21

Private doctors who will take care of everything for them.

Just like during the pandemic, the GOP elite told everyone else not to wear masks or get vaccines.
And watched people struggle to find a bed in a hospital.

The GOP elite all wore masks, their kids in private school wore masks.
And were all vaccinated when it was available, probably before the general public.

wryter2000

(46,279 posts)
20. Jesus never said a word about abortion
Tue May 21, 2024, 01:00 PM
May 21

I'm not aware of any mention in the old testament, either. These people aren't Christian.

NanaCat

(2,087 posts)
42. The worst book ever actually required
Tue May 21, 2024, 10:16 PM
May 21

Attempting to abort via the Ordeal of the Bitter Water if a husband suspected his wife of adultery.. See Numbers 5:11-31.

The book of Hosea seems to be especially keen of killing fetuses when they were inside the 'wrong' woman. To wit:

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. Hosea 9:16

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16

wryter2000

(46,279 posts)
47. You know the Bible better than I do
Tue May 21, 2024, 10:34 PM
May 21

Just out of curiosity…. Are those Old Testament?

I’m a devout church goer (Episcopalian), but I am not a fan of the Bible.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,598 posts)
21. I am absolutely gutted to read this.
Tue May 21, 2024, 01:05 PM
May 21

I can't express how badly I feel for you and, as you say, your wife especially. I'm struggling with whether I'm going to tell my wife about this. One of the hats she's worn was that of a super-successful teen pregnancy program leader, and also once facilitated (it that's the right word) an abortion. To say she has strong feelings in this area is wide of the mark. Know that she is four square with you, no matter what.

How can "the shining city on the hill," the "leader of the free world" POSSIBLY be in this deplorable state? If the religious maniacs ever truly hold the reins of power, America will be all but lost.

Look at what they've managed with mere influence.

DFW

(54,738 posts)
24. My US-based daughter had something similar happen to her within the last couple of years.
Tue May 21, 2024, 01:34 PM
May 21

She didn't want a big deal made of it, it was traumatic enough. But it did happen. She did manage to get it addressed before she was in any mortal danger herself. Fortunately, she does not live in one of "those" states.

onecaliberal

(33,202 posts)
30. Sue the crap out of them. I don't know how women live in these states.
Tue May 21, 2024, 03:30 PM
May 21

Is no one paying attention to the fact that they don't care if they're enacting laws that are killing women in the slave states?

ShazzieB

(16,840 posts)
34. Women live in those states in blissful ignorance until something like this happens to them or someone close to them.
Tue May 21, 2024, 05:33 PM
May 21

Then they are shocked and appalled, because they assumed their state's abortion ban would "of course" have exceptions to protect women's lives.

I've lost count of how many stories I've read about woman who were absolutely blindsided when they faced a situation like this.

I think there needs to be a massive public education effort to inform people about what these laws really mean.

onecaliberal

(33,202 posts)
37. I don't understand that. My young daughters pay close attention.
Tue May 21, 2024, 08:05 PM
May 21

We absolutely need to educate women. Their very lives could depend on it. If women there are too poor to drive out of the state or fly, then they’re going to die.

NanaCat

(2,087 posts)
43. And even more of them are stuck there
Tue May 21, 2024, 10:19 PM
May 21

Because they don't have the resources to leave. Poverty is higher than average in most of these states, even for people with jobs.

It's easy to say get out--when you're in the income bracket to do that. It's much harder to do when you're not.

Hekate

(91,421 posts)
45. Thank you for pointing this out. It is NOT easy to leave someone or someplace minus resources ...
Tue May 21, 2024, 10:29 PM
May 21

It’s another way that this situation is, to me, chillingly reminiscent of the lifeways of the old slave states: poor people must stay poor and downtrodden — otherwise how are “we“ going to know that “we” are better than “them” ?

And since they can’t precisely enslave black people any more, how about de facto enslaving anyone with a uterus?

Hekate

(91,421 posts)
39. Oh, you noticed that too. It is the old slave states -- racism & misogyny tightly wound together in hatred of anyone
Tue May 21, 2024, 08:30 PM
May 21

…who’s not a white male.

Freethinker65

(10,166 posts)
31. I had a D and C for a missed/incomplete miscarriage at a Catholic hospital in Michigan decades ago.
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:52 PM
May 21

No problem getting the procedure at all. There was a lot of pressure to have me have a religious service and burial for what turned out to be decidual tissue with no fetal remains. I continued to decline the option.

Evidently someone at the hospital did it anyway? I was asked a year later if I wanted to attend a service for my lost child??? I was confused as my current son was fighting was his life in the NICU and thought perhaps he had died overnight! I was livid when I found out what they were referring to. I had been less than 10 weeks along during that prior miscarriage.

Anyway, I thought what I went through was pretty horrible. I cannot imagine being denied the D and C.

radical noodle

(8,037 posts)
49. I hear people say they're taking us back to the pre-Roe days
Wed May 22, 2024, 12:55 AM
May 22

but that's not true. Pre-Roe there wasn't a discussion about embryos or fetuses being persons. Miscarriages did not make you a suspect of a murder. D&Cs were routinely done when necessary without having to jump through hoops. They're taking us back to a time before reproductive care was available at all... early 1800s.

In 1965 I had a miscarriage at home. I had been 5--1/2 months pregnant. Two things stand out in my mind as our country spirals down into the crazy-town place where a dead fetus is more important than its living mother. First, no one questioned my need for a D&C. Second, when asked what we should do with the tiny corpse, the doctor said to just "throw it in a ditch somewhere." (BTW, we didn't do that, we buried it in a little tin button box in the back yard at my husband's parents' home.)

They're taking women to a place that had thus far been unimaginable. It's like the Twilight Zone.

Freethinker65, I'm so sorry for your loss.

This insanity must stop.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,593 posts)
33. In Texas, a dead baby has more value than a live woman.
Tue May 21, 2024, 05:20 PM
May 21

We should get all the women and all the Democrats out of Texas,
and then give Santa Anna a call..... tell him they can have it all back,
just come and take it!

soldierant

(7,095 posts)
36. I don't mean this content to be humorous - it is as serious as a heart attack
Tue May 21, 2024, 07:58 PM
May 21

But maybe it could be used to shock at least some people into waking up.

demigoddess

(6,648 posts)
48. I had 2 miscarriages because of how my uterus is formed. Years later,
Tue May 21, 2024, 11:49 PM
May 21

a doctor sees in my records that I had 2 spontaneous abortions, which is the medical term for miscarriages. He chewed me out for paying for those 'illegal procedures'. A medical doctor didn't know the term for miscarriage. Years later when I was pregnant they had me come in weekly so they could be aware if I started to miscarry. Doctors!!!

Trueblue Texan

(2,473 posts)
53. Truly heartbreaking...
Wed May 22, 2024, 07:10 AM
May 22

Republicans in Texas are proud of their heartlessness. We must all rise up, vote these monsters OUT!

Jean Genie

(301 posts)
55. So sorry
Wed May 22, 2024, 10:30 AM
May 22

So sorry that this happened to your wife (and to you).
What ever happened to "Keep Your Laws Off My Body?"
Is this madness ever going to end, or are we destined to live in MAGA Hell for all eternity?
What business is it of ANYONE'S other than the involved parent(s)?
May you and your wife find peace, comfort, and all the love needed to support and sustain you throughout this traumatic situation. What you were both forced to endure is positively horrendous!
You are totally correct when you say her health and well-being should have been the top priority.

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