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Pototan

(1,304 posts)
Mon May 20, 2024, 11:14 PM May 20

"How much worse can it get?"

For those folks who think it's a great idea to give Trump another chance in the White House, I say "are you fucking crazy?".

Trump believes that climate change is a hoax
Trump believed that Covid 19 was a hoax
Trump and his supporters oppose any college debt forgiveness
Trump with a Republican majority in the House and Seante will end women's reproductive rights
Trump's Justice Department will side with police in any racial abuse incidents
Trump will appoint two, younger MAGA judges to the Supreme Court to replace Thomas and Alito
Trump will side with Dictators (i.e. Putin) over Western Democracies (added on edit)
Trump will give unlimited support to the Netanyahu Government.
Trump and his minions will round up immigrants and deport up to 11 million
Trump promises to end "birth right citizenship" for American immigrants
Trump wants to repeal any gun "regulations"

Include "right to work", voter access, state's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, fossil fuel production and restrictions on Free Speech and a free press.

Oh, ya. It can get much worse and for much longer.

As the best President since FDR is fond of saying, "This is no joke."

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"How much worse can it get?" (Original Post) Pototan May 20 OP
They went tits over teacup Arne May 20 #1
Next, we give 'em Hakeem. nt The Unmitigated Gall May 20 #2
I'm for it. republianmushroom May 22 #21
Nothing like using mercuryblues May 21 #13
Its going to get pretty damn bad Cosmocat May 20 #3
Ooooooooh, nice list! I can use this for an ask, for our next Call to Action email. calimary May 21 #4
This is dead serious for sure. But I just don't see how he could win. His first win TeamProg May 21 #5
There are enough misinformed voters who don.t know this and a lot more MadameButterfly May 21 #10
Not that we should feel secure but edisdead May 22 #19
but if people who voted for Joe last time don't vote for him this time.... MadameButterfly May 24 #22
its an absolute concern them stealing it is he loses, but Cosmocat May 21 #15
Excellent summary, depressing in the extreme Bundbuster May 21 #6
Thanks. Good list. sheshe2 May 21 #7
In reality, he believes none of those things. Straw Man May 21 #8
I don't know what he believes Pototan May 21 #9
He will also destroy them, but by yhe time they realize it, it will be too late MadameButterfly May 21 #11
I agree Pototan May 21 #14
What I ca't wrap my mind around is the revenge part. Who will he go for first, how many in the end? MadameButterfly May 21 #12
Belief doesn't enter into TFG's mindset Martin Eden May 21 #16
Belief may be an inaccurate turn of phrase Pototan May 22 #17
True, the consequences are just as bad. Martin Eden May 22 #18
The media is in the bag for Trump Johnny2X2X May 22 #20

Cosmocat

(14,630 posts)
3. Its going to get pretty damn bad
Mon May 20, 2024, 11:25 PM
May 20

we have been fighting do darn long trying to avoid it, but just too many stupid and or mean people in this country.

calimary

(81,972 posts)
4. Ooooooooh, nice list! I can use this for an ask, for our next Call to Action email.
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:08 AM
May 21

My Indivisible group issues one every week. For better or worse, I guess I'm "head writer." (Because I write about heads - and other commodes! )

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
5. This is dead serious for sure. But I just don't see how he could win. His first win
Tue May 21, 2024, 12:34 AM
May 21

was because a lot of voters thought he had the business sense to lead, but he’s failed at business.

He’s proven to be a failure at a lot of things now.

HRC would’ve been a great President, but the media baggage was too much for voters that could not see beyond the BS.

I’m more worried about election theft by the republicans than TSF actually getting legitimate votes.

MadameButterfly

(1,175 posts)
10. There are enough misinformed voters who don.t know this and a lot more
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:34 AM
May 21

people on board to overturn an election including SCOTUS. This was never about winning a majority, just getting enough votes that they can steal the rest.

Listen to what they accuse Dema of. Thats what they are planning t. do.

edisdead

(2,025 posts)
19. Not that we should feel secure but
Wed May 22, 2024, 07:54 AM
May 22

Nobody that didn’t vote for him last time will vote for him this time, and a hell of a lot of folks who did vote for him before will not this time.

MadameButterfly

(1,175 posts)
22. but if people who voted for Joe last time don't vote for him this time....
Fri May 24, 2024, 03:43 PM
May 24

Gaza, age. I'm not saying I agree, but these seems to matter to people when the alternative is cataclysmic

Cosmocat

(14,630 posts)
15. its an absolute concern them stealing it is he loses, but
Tue May 21, 2024, 07:51 AM
May 21

polling is showing he is in a much stronger position now than he was against Hillary at this point in the race 8 years ago. I mean, he is leading pretty much across the board, whereas Hillary had mostly solid leads on him until the Comey hitjob.

Not us, but his side is angry and determined and the rest of the country has given up and pretty much rolling over.

Joe has been a really good POTUS, but this country is just that relentlessly stupid at this point.

Bundbuster

(3,453 posts)
6. Excellent summary, depressing in the extreme
Tue May 21, 2024, 01:07 AM
May 21

How much worse can it get? The end of any hope for an inhabitable planet within this century.

sheshe2

(84,473 posts)
7. Thanks. Good list.
Tue May 21, 2024, 01:49 AM
May 21

One correction though, he knew that COVID wasn't a hoax. He knew it was deadly, he knew it would spread rapidly, yet he wanted his sheep to believe it was a hoax.

See his interview with Woodward.

Straw Man

(6,647 posts)
8. In reality, he believes none of those things.
Tue May 21, 2024, 01:58 AM
May 21

He only professes to believe whatever he thinks will get the rubes to vote for him and return him to power. Because power is the only thing he believes in, the only thing he craves. He is the Collective Unconscious of the aggrieved and disenfranchised lumpenproletariat of the postindustrial American economy. In exchange for their support, he will use his power to destroy whatever and whomever they perceive as "the enemy." He has said as much in his rally speeches.

Pototan

(1,304 posts)
9. I don't know what he believes
Tue May 21, 2024, 02:06 AM
May 21

but I know what he advocates for. Roe was overturned because of Trump's appointments to the Supreme Court. Those same appointments have advanced the cause of "right to work laws", have built roadblocks to gun laws, have threatened gay rights,

Trump personally has advanced the cause to Authoritarianism and has weakened our Democratic Alliances.

I don't care what he believes. I know the consequences of his being President.

Pototan

(1,304 posts)
14. I agree
Tue May 21, 2024, 07:31 AM
May 21

That's the part I can't understand. Before I vote or support anyone for any office I find out as much as I can about how this person can affect my life and the lives of the people important to me.

This election should be 57% to 37% Biden if most people paid attention and voted with knowledge.

MadameButterfly

(1,175 posts)
12. What I ca't wrap my mind around is the revenge part. Who will he go for first, how many in the end?
Tue May 21, 2024, 04:43 AM
May 21

What will become of Biden, Maddow, Obama, Raskin, etc. Will they flee or become martyrs? And where would they flee to in a NATO abandoned by thr US? We can't underestimste the stakes, and the courage of our public figures right now. We have to d this for us, but also for them.

Martin Eden

(12,940 posts)
16. Belief doesn't enter into TFG's mindset
Tue May 21, 2024, 10:57 PM
May 21

He says whatever serves his purpose in the moment. His pronouncements on climate change and COVID merely validate what the MAGA base wants to hear.

The Fascist Grifter is a pathological liar, a malignant narcissist, and a cruel sociopath.

The only thing he believes in is filling the bottomless pit of his ego, greed, and base appetites.

Pototan

(1,304 posts)
17. Belief may be an inaccurate turn of phrase
Wed May 22, 2024, 01:35 AM
May 22

I don't know what Trump believes. The more accurate phrase may be "advocates for or against". No matter what he "believes", we are living with the consequences of his actions.

Martin Eden

(12,940 posts)
18. True, the consequences are just as bad.
Wed May 22, 2024, 06:35 AM
May 22

He would reverse progress on combating climate change, and we saw how many died when he denied the seriousness of COVID.

Johnny2X2X

(19,648 posts)
20. The media is in the bag for Trump
Wed May 22, 2024, 08:29 AM
May 22

It's uncanny and obvious now. None of the great things Biden has done are even common knowledge. All the media talks about is inflation, illegal immigration, and Gaza. All the while they normalize Trump more and more.

And I no longer think it's just media grubbing for stories, the revelations of the trial make it clear Trump has key plants at media all over the country. MSNBC and the NYTime have people who are merely Trump frienly, they are actual Trump campaign members, they answer to the campaign and takle orders from them. Obviously FOX News calls into campaign strategy meetings daily. The National Enquirer was the model we should be paying attention to, there are likely dozens of David Peckers at media outlets all over the airwaves and internet. Trump shapes the news. His campaign gets heads up for negative stories, they get veto power over some of them. They have doznes of key people they can call up to run positive Trump stories. And I suspect he has station directors in high places too.

This is an unprecendeted dynamic in US history. Joe Biden has his work cut out for him, the deck is stacked against him.

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