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Tom of Temecula

(1,511 posts)
Mon May 20, 2024, 09:25 AM May 20

Terrible News For Trump As Closing Arguments Delayed In Criminal Trial

Judge Merchan brought the parties into court early on Monday, and said that due to issues that have come up over the weekend closing arguments at the Trump criminal trial won’t happen until after Memorial Day. Anna Bower of Lawfare posted from inside the courtroom:

First, Justice Merchan thanks the parties for coming in early. There were issues that came up over the weekend, he says. As a result of some of those issues, it’s become apparent that we WON’T be able to move to summations tomorrow. We will finish up evidence, the pre-charge conference, and so on this week, Justice Merchan continues. And then we’ll move to closing arguments next week, after the long weekend. Now we’re moving on to issues regarding objections to evidence that might be introduced during the continued cross examination of Michael Cohen. The prosecution objects to the introduction of an email sent to Michael Cohen by Robert Costello’s law partner back in 2018.

The new schedule means that the jury might not get the case until sometime in June, and that is without any further issues or delays. June is important because Trump has a debate date with President Biden on June 27. If Trump is convicted, which seems more likely than not, he is not going to have as much time to let the possible guilty verdict blow over and work its way through the news cycle.

The longer this case, the bigger the risk becomes for Trump that he will go straight from the courtroom to the debate stage. It is possible that Trump could have sentencing hearing than have to debate President Biden, or Trump could go from the debate to his sentencing hearing. The longer this trial goes, the higher the probability that it will impact pushed up timeline of the presidential campaign.

https://www.politicususa.com/2024/05/20/terrible-news-for-trump-as-closing-arguments-delayed-in-criminal-trial.html

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Terrible News For Trump As Closing Arguments Delayed In Criminal Trial (Original Post) Tom of Temecula May 20 OP
Perhaps the defense should call Costello instead of playing games. Afraid of being on the stand? jimfields33 May 20 #1
could you please expand on that? I don't have tie to follow every detail rurallib May 20 #41
It is not that great for the jury, or for us, either. niyad May 20 #2
Any idea what the issues are? getagrip_already May 20 #3
I think they don't want all hell breaking loose at the time of the holiday weekend. mucifer May 20 #4
I'm hoping more contempt charges... Hugin May 20 #7
Trump is looking a bit haggard, if the trial continues he can get a little more beauty sleep. sop May 20 #16
What in the world does that numbskull smoke?? lastlib May 20 #17
When you have so few brain cells to work with... Hugin May 20 #19
!!! vanlassie May 20 #20
Yup!! yagotme May 20 #31
She's on the Dumbass! Mopar151 May 20 #38
I noticed that Christian Ziegler seems to be trying the same... Hugin May 20 #18
"to sleep fart" EndlessWire May 20 #39
For now, I believe a hyphen is appropriate. Hugin May 20 #43
Him, he praying???!!! Dark n Stormy Knight May 20 #33
According to Katie Phang, it has to do in part with the judge's trial preferences (so to speak)... Princess Turandot May 20 #9
Okay, that makes sense PatSeg May 20 #15
Does the same jury do the sentencing? n/t yodermon May 20 #5
The judge imposes the sentance... getagrip_already May 20 #12
This has to be rough on the jury -and their families also. riversedge May 20 #6
OK, I'm lost orangecrush May 20 #8
Lots o stuff... getagrip_already May 20 #13
Thank you. n/t orangecrush May 20 #14
I'm still in the "any and all delay helps Trump" camp. jaxexpat May 20 #10
So am I. Delay helps Trump and EmmaLee E May 20 #42
Thwarting justice and the will of the people is, apparently, child's play. jaxexpat May 20 #44
Oh, crap, this is worse than the reality show finale today I'm waiting for. UTUSN May 20 #11
So the defense will call no witnesses? edhopper May 20 #21
Who they gonna call? Ghostbusters? dchill May 20 #24
The defendent edhopper May 20 #25
They DON'T want to do that! dchill May 20 #26
🤣 Dark n Stormy Knight May 20 #34
Dumpy the Clown didn't take the stand in a previous case. 4lbs May 20 #45
chickenshit is actually the best thing he can be for himself. soldierant May 20 #47
This is all moot Owens May 20 #22
Totally agree birdographer May 20 #28
This none legal eagle thinks this was a good call by the judge. The way court was scheduled before this change, the iluvtennis May 20 #23
Sure seems to be a lot of confidence that he will be found guilty. I think we're headed for a hung jury. LonePirate May 20 #27
I have no crystal ball but I think we get a conviction. Demsrule86 May 20 #29
I feel the same. Seems the defense has introduced Dark n Stormy Knight May 20 #35
At some point I feel like trump will be in handcuffs. Arne May 20 #30
I would like to see the jury come back with a conviction after about 3 hours of deliberation. ZonkerHarris May 20 #32
That's actually not so good duckworth969 May 20 #36
It does not follow. Torchlight May 20 #40
That's actually not so good duckworth969 May 20 #37
Maybe Trump could go from sentencing to prison Joinfortmill May 20 #46
Delays boomerang 🪃 apparently... or maybe excessive delays have karma attached live love laugh May 20 #48
This case has been a shitshow from day one. oldsoftie May 21 #49

jimfields33

(16,644 posts)
1. Perhaps the defense should call Costello instead of playing games. Afraid of being on the stand?
Mon May 20, 2024, 09:31 AM
May 20

The prosecution objects to the introduction of an email sent to Michael Cohen by Robert Costello’s law partner back in 2018.

rurallib

(62,579 posts)
41. could you please expand on that? I don't have tie to follow every detail
Mon May 20, 2024, 02:27 PM
May 20

and this sounds very important.

Thanks in advance.

Hugin

(33,402 posts)
7. I'm hoping more contempt charges...
Mon May 20, 2024, 09:52 AM
May 20

Stemming from Blowbert, MAGAhick Johnson, and other “surrogates” blathering about the same old chestnuts at Trump’s behest. It was so widely spread after Thursday’s cult convention in the gallery, it will take some time to gather it all up.

sop

(10,580 posts)
16. Trump is looking a bit haggard, if the trial continues he can get a little more beauty sleep.
Mon May 20, 2024, 10:32 AM
May 20

Blowbert: “I think he is praying. But if he is sleeping… [he] certainly looks pretty while he sleeps. Maybe it’s an endearing moment of prayer though.”

lastlib

(23,603 posts)
17. What in the world does that numbskull smoke??
Mon May 20, 2024, 10:46 AM
May 20

Must be powerful stuff to give her such delusions!

Hugin

(33,402 posts)
19. When you have so few brain cells to work with...
Mon May 20, 2024, 11:06 AM
May 20

Any drug is powerful mojo. It could just be a Jolly Rancher.

Mopar151

(10,041 posts)
38. She's on the Dumbass!
Mon May 20, 2024, 01:39 PM
May 20

Effects similar to an admixture of Natty Daddy, Cisco Red, and NyQuil.Any cannibas extracts she's hittin are used to counteract nausea and vertigo.

Hugin

(33,402 posts)
18. I noticed that Christian Ziegler seems to be trying the same...
Mon May 20, 2024, 11:03 AM
May 20

Sleeping while praying schtick down in FL during the hearings that he and his Moms for Homeporning co-founder wife have dragged the local constabulary into to demand that their texts and other materials from his rape case don’t get entered into the public records, because reasons… Mainly, because they’re special, you see.

The difference here being, it’s their hearing and it’s stupid to sleep fart through them. But, they don’t seem to get a minor nuance like that.

EndlessWire

(6,700 posts)
39. "to sleep fart"
Mon May 20, 2024, 01:58 PM
May 20

I like that verb...can't decide whether it should be "sleepfart" or sleep-fart used in front of something else descriptive. Should be in the dictionary, though, cross indexed with other things related to Trump.

Hugin

(33,402 posts)
43. For now, I believe a hyphen is appropriate.
Mon May 20, 2024, 03:33 PM
May 20

“sleep-fart”.

As the Trumpanzees continue to make the practice of “sleep-fart” a center of their ritual behaviors and cultural identity, it will eventually evolve into a combined word similar to “spacetime”.



Princess Turandot

(4,797 posts)
9. According to Katie Phang, it has to do in part with the judge's trial preferences (so to speak)...
Mon May 20, 2024, 10:06 AM
May 20

He wants the closing arguments to take place immediately before the case goes to the jury, without a weekend break, especially since next weekend is Memorial Day weekend. I think the estimate of what's left to do before summations has expanded, pushing them back, so he decided to move the closing to next Tuesday altogether.

getagrip_already

(15,320 posts)
12. The judge imposes the sentance...
Mon May 20, 2024, 10:11 AM
May 20

There will be a separate hearing in a few weekd to months if he is found guilty. He will likely be free on bail until then.

He will of course appeal. He may or may not be allowed to remain free pending appeal, but if this were any other person, not.

getagrip_already

(15,320 posts)
13. Lots o stuff...
Mon May 20, 2024, 10:14 AM
May 20

Defense finishes with Cohen, prosecution gets to redirect Cohen to clean up any testimony.

Then the defense puts on their case. Maybe one witness. Maybe tsf.

Then charging instructions get hammered out.

EmmaLee E

(177 posts)
42. So am I. Delay helps Trump and
Mon May 20, 2024, 02:47 PM
May 20

I sadly feel that he will not be convicted,

The jurors will be branded for life and few will want to bear that burden.
it only takes one "less-than-hero" to throw a spanner into the works and stop the whole thing.

I expect lots of talk about "reasonable doubt."

jaxexpat

(7,039 posts)
44. Thwarting justice and the will of the people is, apparently, child's play.
Mon May 20, 2024, 04:53 PM
May 20

Fools pull it off daily.

Remember back in the day when common wisdom was that the government knew everything and POTUS was the top of the pyramid? That's, apparently and obviously, no longer a tenable theory.

4lbs

(6,937 posts)
45. Dumpy the Clown didn't take the stand in a previous case.
Mon May 20, 2024, 09:21 PM
May 20

I think he's too chickenshit to do it in this one, after a Stormy description of wee willy was ummm.. microscope spot-on..

He'd rather scream from the cheap seats, get admonished for doing so, and then complain about them "violating his first amendment rights."

He wants any previous POTUS be "special" and not have to play by the rules.

Ok then. Let's have Obama and Bush Jr. guffaw at him then. Because, by that logic, they can say sh*t about him all day every day, because you know, previous Presidents are "special".



soldierant

(7,147 posts)
47. chickenshit is actually the best thing he can be for himself.
Mon May 20, 2024, 10:50 PM
May 20

He can't open his mouth without confessing to something.

birdographer

(1,443 posts)
28. Totally agree
Mon May 20, 2024, 11:53 AM
May 20

But hopefully the thought of it, and how to get out of it, are increasing his stress. The more cornered he feels, the better.

iluvtennis

(20,025 posts)
23. This none legal eagle thinks this was a good call by the judge. The way court was scheduled before this change, the
Mon May 20, 2024, 11:25 AM
May 20

jury could have received the case on late Tuesday.

As court is dark on both Wednesday (Judge Merchan has family court on Weds) and Friday (for Memorial Day weekend), that would mean that there would be 6 days after closing arguments & jury instructions where jury couldn't deliberate.

The judge's decision on this was practical.

My opinion only.

LonePirate

(13,494 posts)
27. Sure seems to be a lot of confidence that he will be found guilty. I think we're headed for a hung jury.
Mon May 20, 2024, 11:39 AM
May 20

Seems like people are setting expectations that are far from being a guarantee, at least in my eyes.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,799 posts)
35. I feel the same. Seems the defense has introduced
Mon May 20, 2024, 01:30 PM
May 20

what at least one juror will consider "reasonable" doubt. To me, everything we know makes it clear Dolt 45 is guilty as hell of countless crimes & behaves like a mob boss. But that "beyond a reasonable doubt" business is a a high bar (as it should be) & is open to very subjective evaluation.

Plus, if there's just one secret Trumper on the jury, justice is thwarted.

But then, I'm a staunch pessimist!

Arne

(2,552 posts)
30. At some point I feel like trump will be in handcuffs.
Mon May 20, 2024, 12:33 PM
May 20

How will it happen?
Do the Secret Service stand down as bailiffs approach ?
Could it come down to drawn guns?
Does trump have a heart attack?
Does Frank marry Kate at the country club?

duckworth969

(802 posts)
36. That's actually not so good
Mon May 20, 2024, 01:33 PM
May 20

Jury will get further fatigue and the loss of the “big mo” is unhelpful.

Better to charge on forward, but there might be some issues with juror’s personal schedules over the holiday weekend. 🤷?♂️

Torchlight

(3,648 posts)
40. It does not follow.
Mon May 20, 2024, 02:03 PM
May 20

Further annoyance with defense is as probable as fatigue. Additional insights into defendants' character flaws is as probable as fatigue. Any practical alternative listed is as probable as fatigue.

duckworth969

(802 posts)
37. That's actually not so good
Mon May 20, 2024, 01:34 PM
May 20

Jury will get further fatigue and the loss of the “big mo” is unhelpful.

Better to charge on forward, but there might be some issues with juror’s personal schedules over the holiday weekend.

oldsoftie

(12,847 posts)
49. This case has been a shitshow from day one.
Tue May 21, 2024, 06:55 AM
May 21

The ONE case most people couldn't give two shits about and THIS is the one that gets the go ahead.
The damn documents case is the winner. And he shouldve been charged a year earlier in that one. NONE of these cases are going to do a thing to this dickwad before the election

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