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Behind the Aegis

(54,328 posts)
Fri May 17, 2024, 03:11 AM May 17

The 7 October Hamas attack opened a space - and antisemitism filled it. British Jews are living with the consequences

A few weeks ago, my teenage son was in a library revising for his exams. A woman sat down opposite, looked at the star of David necklace he has recently started wearing and glared at him. Then she placed her water bottle between them with its “Boycott Israeli Apartheid” sticker turned to face his way.

She didn’t speak to my son. She didn’t ask what he thinks about Israel, Gaza, Netanyahu or Hamas. She doesn’t know whether he has friends or relatives who have been taken hostage or killed (he doesn’t), or if he has been on any pro-Palestine marches (he hasn’t). Whether it is antisemitic or not to boycott Israel is beside the point. She seemed to be triggered by the simple sight of a Jew. There’s no more basic expression of racism than that.

As microaggressions go, it’s not much. However, when Muslim women – for example – are harassed for wearing a hijab, it tends to come from people with far-right sympathies. In contrast, this woman had an “antifa” sticker on display. I’m also an anti-fascist. When the neo-Nazi terrorist David Copeland was planting his nail bombs around London, I was the contact for the mole inside the far right who identified him to the police. Something has gone badly wrong in the intervening years if this is how some young anti-fascists now react to Jews.

The idea that Jews are local proxies for Israel, answerable for its deeds and suitable targets for the anger it attracts, can be lethal. In Zurich, a Jewish man was stabbed repeatedly in the street. In Berlin, a synagogue was firebombed. In Canada, shots were fired at Jewish schools. In London, a group of Israelis were attacked by a gang who heard them speaking Hebrew and asked “Are you Jewish?” Perhaps my son was lucky it was only a sticker.

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The 7 October Hamas attack opened a space - and antisemitism filled it. British Jews are living with the consequences (Original Post) Behind the Aegis May 17 OP
K&R betsuni May 17 #1
These self-righteous Anti-Semitic Bigots are Stupid Fucks. Cha May 17 #2
Antisemitism has gotten so much worse. SunSeeker May 17 #3
Hamas couldn't be happier with their objectives.. jimfields33 May 17 #4
They've gotten a bunch of gullible US college kids to wear keffiyehs and shout for "Intifada!" SunSeeker May 17 #10
Absolutely true. jimfields33 May 17 #12
Expression of anti-Semitism is worse. Igel May 17 #5
It isn't just the US where we see Jews being blamed, it is worldwide. sarisataka May 17 #6
True, much like Trump opened the gate on racism in the US. nt SunSeeker May 17 #11
Hamas has one hell of a propaganda machine. It's ALL over the internet pushing the narrative. nt LexVegas May 17 #7
They have Putin helping them sow the division over Gaza. SunSeeker May 17 #13
It is antisemitism, pure and simple mcar May 17 #8
If you're not objecting to the antisemitism, you're part of the problem. yardwork May 17 #9
As someone stated upthread, Hamas has one helluva PR machine, and our so called media couldn't wait to climb aboard. Tarheel_Dem May 17 #14
I'm going get myself in trouble here ... cliffside May 18 #15
It wasn't about the antifa sticker. xmas74 May 18 #16
The more we try and group people along religious or ethnic lines does not help anyone IMHO... cliffside May 18 #17
And anti-Semitism is NEVER acceptable, no matter what. Behind the Aegis May 18 #18
If you took my post was as being someone who sympathizes with an anti-semitic view that was not the intention ... cliffside May 18 #19
The problem is "whataboutism". Behind the Aegis May 18 #20
KnR Hekate May 18 #21

Cha

(300,279 posts)
2. These self-righteous Anti-Semitic Bigots are Stupid Fucks.
Fri May 17, 2024, 04:34 AM
May 17
The idea that Jews are local proxies for Israel, answerable for its deeds and suitable targets for the anger it attracts, can be lethal. In Zurich, a Jewish man was stabbed repeatedly in the street. In Berlin, a synagogue was firebombed. In Canada, shots were fired at Jewish schools. In London, a group of Israelis were attacked by a gang who heard them speaking Hebrew and asked “Are you Jewish?” Perhaps my son was lucky it was only a sticker.




SunSeeker

(52,317 posts)
3. Antisemitism has gotten so much worse.
Fri May 17, 2024, 04:53 AM
May 17

Nobody back just a a year or two ago on a college campus would have ever referred to fellow students who were Jewish as "Zionists" simply because they were Jewish.

SunSeeker

(52,317 posts)
10. They've gotten a bunch of gullible US college kids to wear keffiyehs and shout for "Intifada!"
Fri May 17, 2024, 02:05 PM
May 17

It'd be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous.

Igel

(35,676 posts)
5. Expression of anti-Semitism is worse.
Fri May 17, 2024, 07:39 AM
May 17

I'd say that this kind of thinking is commonplace and just waiting expression. We notice it when it offends us. But often these days being offensive in the "correct" way is "authentic" and "speaking truth to power".

But it's the same kind of thing where we assume liking Dostoyevsky means supporting Putin or if you're a Xian American in some parts of the ME it means you support bombing Gaza. *We* are individuals, *they* are a homogeneous undifferentiated mass. Typical in-group/out-group dynamics.

sarisataka

(19,585 posts)
6. It isn't just the US where we see Jews being blamed, it is worldwide.
Fri May 17, 2024, 10:17 AM
May 17

Not that it is anything new; people have just hidden it for the last 75 years.

Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say October 7 opened a gate and allowed antisemitism to run free again.

mcar

(42,885 posts)
8. It is antisemitism, pure and simple
Fri May 17, 2024, 10:20 AM
May 17

They can try to use the excuse that they care about Gaza, but what does that young man have to do with it?

Jew haters have used Oct. 7 to crawl out from under their rocks just like racists and fascists used TFG to do the same.

yardwork

(62,329 posts)
9. If you're not objecting to the antisemitism, you're part of the problem.
Fri May 17, 2024, 10:25 AM
May 17

Go out of your way to speak up. Make sure Jewish people are included, make sure Jewish points of view are included. It's essential.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,320 posts)
14. As someone stated upthread, Hamas has one helluva PR machine, and our so called media couldn't wait to climb aboard.
Fri May 17, 2024, 10:52 PM
May 17

cliffside

(230 posts)
15. I'm going get myself in trouble here ...
Sat May 18, 2024, 12:01 AM
May 18

and just posted some of my history in another thread. I grew up as a Catholic in a small Jewish community in grammar school, had every Jewish holiday off and my classmates were my friends. I could not believe we got all those days off, what a great time to get both Jewish and Catholic off from school!

We did not have any knowledge and no classmates of other religions at the time, Jewish mostly, or Christian, but now we know are more informed.

Honestly most of us never identified as a religion, we skipped services, we had fun. We went caroling together before Christmas, had our first foray into hash from an older brother. We did not care about religion, that was the good old days.

So what changed? The settlements in the West Bank have not helped, nor has the right of Palestinians in Gaza to move freely. I'm not going to blame this entirely on the far right or far left, I do know what an "Antifa" sticker looks like that you mentioned and why your son felt threatened and I am sorry that he did. What is this symbol, I'm curious.

Indigenous people have been slaughtered, dark skinned people have been killed and enslaved, how many, I'm not sure? I do not want to try and diminish the suffering of Jewish people during the holocaust or what happened on October 7.

I currently live in an over 55 community, many Jewish with a decent mix of other Asian cultures, we get along, although we have differences along political lines, that is the most important diving line.

I'm sorry your son felt threatened, that should not happen. With the current events it is more pronounced because of the stance Israel is taking towards the entire population of Gaza.

The more we try and group people along religious or ethnic lines does not help anyone IMHO.

xmas74

(29,695 posts)
16. It wasn't about the antifa sticker.
Sat May 18, 2024, 12:53 AM
May 18

It was that the person saw his Star of David necklace,glared at him and sat down across from him with a boycott Israeli apartheid sticker on their water bottle. They went out of their way to make it known that they thought he was part of the problem.
The antifa sticker was only mentioned to show this wasn't classic right wing garbage.

cliffside

(230 posts)
17. The more we try and group people along religious or ethnic lines does not help anyone IMHO...
Sat May 18, 2024, 02:56 AM
May 18

above is what I said earlier.

There are jerks in all our lives, there is discrimination against a whole class of people. Some are brought to the forefront and others in the background, example the native Americans.

What happened on 10/7 was horrific, but it did not happen in vacuum. I do not think trying to displace over a million people who are basically trapped into a small area wins anyone's hearts in the world community.

There are times to escalate and deescalate.

cliffside

(230 posts)
19. If you took my post was as being someone who sympathizes with an anti-semitic view that was not the intention ...
Sat May 18, 2024, 04:56 AM
May 18

I agree with you, it is never acceptable.

I pointed out that many people are looked down upon, whether it be for their race or religion and we should all open open our eyes to all those who are oppressed.

We can agree upon that.

Behind the Aegis

(54,328 posts)
20. The problem is "whataboutism".
Sat May 18, 2024, 05:00 AM
May 18

The article is about a Jewish kid, and others, who were targeted for being Jewish. The idea that every fucking time anti-Semitism is mentioned there are those who need to 'splain how there are "buts" that need to be taken into consideration is NOT an expression of "anti-Semitism is always wrong".

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