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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAll of these protests are a result of Trump setting a bad example.
IMO.
bucolic_frolic
(43,956 posts)Scrivener7
(51,206 posts)And by "all these protests" do you include BLM? The Women's March?
marble falls
(58,591 posts)Best_man23
(4,942 posts)TSF has succeeded in making the use of political violence acceptable in America. Same person said that unfortunately, it will likely take decades for that view to dissipate.
snowybirdie
(5,290 posts)and disagreed. In the 60s, protests were everywhere. Once the war ended, they stopped and we didn't see anything of that magnitude. It was quick. No reason to protest any longer. And the protesting kids became the greed is good folks of the 80s.
Ms. Toad
(34,413 posts)Protests which utilize violence as an acceptable tool, and protests which predominantly reject it (and actively train their own peacekeepers to ensure the isolated few who believe otherwise stay in line).
I participated in many of those protests, and anyone who broke a window to enter a building would have been dealt with internally or shut out. And this protester (and others I know personally) did not become a greed is good person of the 80s).
Scrivener7
(51,206 posts)The action taken at Hamilton Hall has been reported with enormous amounts of hyperbole. It looks as if they broke a window and moved furniture. Then they surrendered peacefully. I don't agree with what they did, but the reports of "destruction of the campus" and "looks just like January 6" are absurd to the point of nauseating.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/columbias-hamilton-hall-takeover-photos-from-inside.html
I did my graduate degree at Columbia. You want to see a REAL mess? Head on up to the campus the day after Halloween falls on a weekend.
former9thward
(32,347 posts)Political violence has been around since the beginning of the country. Look at the 1968 Democratic convention. For that matter look at the 1968 Columbia student strike. They occupied the exact same Hamilton Hall as the current protest did.
In terms of polical violence there was nothing more violent than the late 60s.
There were 4330 bombings in a 16 month period.
The hearing, part of an investigated led Senator John L. McClellan, Democrat of Arkansas, concluded that from January 1969 to April 1970, the United States sustained 4,330 bombings 3,355 of them incendiary, 975 explosive resulting in 43 deaths and $21.8 million in property damage.
https://archive.nytimes.com/cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/27/1969-a-year-of-bombings/#:~:text=The%20hearing%2C%20part%20of%20an%20investigated%20led%20Senator,43%20deaths%20and%20%2421.8%20million%20in%20property%20damage.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,034 posts)Them and their stupid protests against the Viet Nam war in the 60s was fucking ridiculous.
marble falls
(58,591 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,034 posts)I marvel at the Baby Boomers not being sympathetic to anti-war protests.
And before you get all "young whippersnapper" on me, I'm Gen X by only a year and a half. I'm about as old as you can be and not be a Baby Boomer.
marble falls
(58,591 posts)"I marvel at the Baby Boomers not being sympathetic to anti-war protests." - Is this sarcasm or your anti-boomer bias sneaking in?
I am in shock of the support Gen X gives to TFG.
https://www.politico.com news 2024 04 07 voter-age-biden-trump-2024-election-00150923
Polls show young voters going for Trump and older voters backing Biden ...
Apr 7, 2024The Split Ticket poll shows both Biden (68 percent) and Trump (70 percent) are viewed unfavorably by more than two-thirds of young voters but, notably, Trump's "very unfavorable" figure ...
https://www.politico.com news magazine 2022 05 20 cherie-westrich-alt-rock-gen-x-maga-00033769
How Gen X Became the Trumpiest Generation - POLITICO
May 20, 2022Her journey to supporting Trump was also a typical one for Gen Xers, As Anderson explained Trump in particular had an effect polarizing politics along generational lines. ... Gen X is full of ...
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,034 posts)Guess what. I got that since birth. I'm used to it. It's what defined us. We feed on it.
And if you couldn't read the sarcasm in "I marvel at the Baby Boomers...," then that's all on you.
Look at the numbers for the 2020 election. We barely went Biden, but we went Biden. Boomers were overwhelmingly Trump.
But, to the point, why aren't the Baby Boomers more aware of what the anti-war protesters are doing?
marble falls
(58,591 posts)... to end the war in Viet Nam. I support all antiwar protestors on campus right now. If I weren't over 70, just getting back after a 12 year fight with cancer, I'd be there, too. I honestly do not give a shit what gen anyone is. Fight the power, not each other. When we fight, they win.
GenThePerservering
(1,990 posts)seemed pretty obvious in context.
David__77
(23,782 posts)Lots of demonstrations have occurred in this country.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,706 posts)róisín_dubh
(11,810 posts)I swear 🙄
Jirel
(2,050 posts)Boston Tea Party.
The long history of union struggles.
Womens sufferage.
The long and bloody civil rights fight.
The Vietnam anti-war protests.
Years of anti-RNC protests.
The Occupy movement.
On and on, through the entire history of our country, change has been forced by direct action. Thats not even to mention the long and colorful history in other nations.
Nobody protesting against Israels destruction of Gazans and Gaza gives one damn about Mango Mussolinis failed coup as an example. They are drawing from a rich history of direct action, including such campus movements as the South Africa anti-apartheid divestment protests decades ago.
David__77
(23,782 posts)Big Blue Marble
(5,174 posts)You said it all. Apparently, it can't be said enough.
sarisataka
(19,323 posts)For the burning of the library at Alexandria
I feel sorry for people who have a head-tenant not paying rent
pwb
(11,452 posts)You assume too much from a one sentence post. You don't know me at all.
sarisataka
(19,323 posts)To be the motivation behind everything happening in the world. He is neither an evil mastermind nor a charismatic demigod
pwb
(11,452 posts)that the post was about current protests.
former9thward
(32,347 posts)Hamas did.
pwb
(11,452 posts)It figures that you disagree.
former9thward
(32,347 posts)I don't know what your comment means. Maybe spell it out?
pwb
(11,452 posts)You are reading way too much into a single sentence. I never mentioned any cause or action, just that trump set a bad example that we all saw with our own eyes, just like we saw with our own eyes about Vietnam on t v and we saw with our own eyes how Hamas attacked the concert and we see with our eyes the destruction of Gazza. I don't see any right in any of it..
elleng
(132,083 posts)Ocelot II
(116,500 posts)Either you weren't around during the Vietnam protests or you don't remember them. Most were peaceful but a few were not, like the Sterling Hall bombing at the U of WIsconsin.
pwb
(11,452 posts)I read about Kent State in The Stars And Stripes. Amazing how thoughts can fail us at times.
GenThePerservering
(1,990 posts)but remember student protests busting places up and there were clashes in the streets - I would just stare at it on our little black and white TV, but the images stuck. Particularly the smoke bombs.
róisín_dubh
(11,810 posts)A lot more history.
And if US history bores you, try French history.
womanofthehills
(8,897 posts)Our American students see a genocide in real time every day - for over 200 days now. They have probably seen 500 dead babies or more on their phones now.
Go over on TicToc and see a burnt dying Gazan baby and look at the kids comments - often thousands of kids comments on how they wish they could take care of the baby, adopt the baby, love the baby etc.
PufPuf23
(8,949 posts)womanofthehills
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