Columbia protesters want to be fed while the occupy campus building

[LetMyPeopleVote]

Link to tweet

[CanonRay]

1. Failure to plan on your part

does not constitute an emergency on my part.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

2. Did we watch the same video? That's not what I heard her say.

The exchange starts at 0:50. Her reply starts at 0:57. She says, "Nobody is asking them to bring anything. We're asking them to not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid."

I'm not expressing an opinion on the occupation, just the accuracy of the quote.

This fallacious claim of David Frum's is further support of the observation made by Abraham Lincoln (1776 - 1945), inventor of the lightbulb, in a video on TikTok, that just because somebody says something in a tweet, that doesn't mean it's true.

And good evening.

[RandySF]

8. "I guess its a matter of do you want students to starve or die of dehydration because they disagree with you"

She also said the university has an obligation to provide food for students who paid for meal plans.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

11. That was stupid on her part. If she paid for a meal plan, she can go to the cafeteria to eat her meal.

That wasn't exactly brilliant.

And good evening.

[ripcord]

13. How do you get a meal on campus if you are expelled?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

15. Yeah, there's that too. I'm not one of the protesters.

Maybe the administration could give them coupons good at Chic-fil-A or McDonald's.

My only observation was to note that David Frum misinterpreted the quote. Which made the tweet eligible for posting at DU, since Rawstory and the Daily Mail are now highly regarded "news sources" for LBN.

Also good evening to you.

[Progressive dog]

45. I interpreted the quote exactly as Frum did.

She was blaming the college for the lack of food in the building they occupy.

[edisdead]

58. Maybe...

Maybe they can have a nice tall glass of shut the fuck up.

[JohnSJ]

81. Is this the type of critical thinking one expects from institutes of higher learning?

[wnylib]

41. Which colleges give room service to students as part of their meal plan?

[betsuni]

77. Is the university "obligated" to check on every meal plan student in case they're dehydrated or hungry?

The university should be like a doting grandma and make the minimum wage food service workers take time from their regular schedules to bring over some nice warm leftovers to any student who didn't show up for dinner just in case they're dying of starvation.

[wnylib]

82. Yup. Irrational demands by the students should be met with

loud laughter from the administration and general public to ridicule their sense of entitlement.

[Ray Bruns]

79. I don't know, but it's the one I wish I went to.

[wnylib]

87. I didn't live on campus, so no meal plan for me.

I commuted while working two jobs, taking full time classes, paying for my apartment, car insurance, car maintenance, and home groceries plus cafeteria meals when on campus.

But, I was an older student at the time, too old for a dorm with kids in their teens and early 20s.

[wnylib]

36. Since the students are violating the school's

rules of behavior, why should the school uphold their end of the bargain with the students?

Besides, they can get all the food and water that they want by leaving the building that they illegally occupy.

However, they are intentionally setting up this situation to try to parallel Gaza. "See, the capitalist imperialist pigs are withholding food and water on campus just like they do in Gaza "

They have an entitlement attitude that they can attack buildings and be cared for by the people whose rights they are violating. Sounds like a familiar tactic being imported to the US.

[betsuni]

40. Exactly. "Humanitarian aid."

[catsudon]

113. that's an insult to the real victims in gaza

if only these protesters work 10% as hard for the uyghur in China.

[wnylib]

115. If only they expressed anger at Hamas.

[TheKentuckian]

53. They can go to the cafeteria or McDonald's like everyone else.

Dominos will even deliver to you by geosync.

[radical noodle]

71. There must be water in the building

They won't die of dehydration unless the water is turned off.

[Retrograde]

90. Yeah, but it comes out of faucets

like common tap water! How can she be expected to drink that!? (although IIRC NYC tap water is pretty good)

Seriously, keep the water on if only for sanitary reasons. If the occupiers forgot to bring provisions - well, most people can go for a day or two without eating.

[LisaM]

99. I thought the same.

They probably can't drink tap water.

[radical noodle]

108. Agree... keep the water on unless

they start flooding the building. It looks as though they're being evicted tonight, so it's a moot point.

[Igel]

83. The building contains no faucets.

I can only imagine how impoverished Columbia is if the building has no water fountains, no bathrooms with sinks--or perhaps they cut off the utilities, like water and Internet.

Nah, that would be actual oppression. What's funnier is that she doesn't know if they'd interdict any food taken in. (At the same time, when I was in grad school there were limited options for take-away food from the mess halls. Then again, it was only UCLA, not quite the same privileged bunch as at Columbia.)

[JI7]

18. We're asking them to not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid."

WTF . This is making a joke of real problems.

[sarisataka]

19. It was so painful to watch I almost felt bad for her

The next question was has the university tried to stop you from bringing in food. She was completely lost.

Only almost though, she like her companions are victims of their own actions.
"Die of dehydration and starvation" Obviously not a biology major

[betsuni]

42. As if the occupied building will be littered with protesters' skeletons after a few days.

[LisaM]

54. Oh dear.

I shouldn't have laughed, but that made me howl.

[DaBronx]

107. My bet is

Creative writing with a minor in philosophy.
Sorry not sorry.

[wnylib]

38. Performance protests to mimic their version of

what is happening in Gaza

They leave out the part that Hamas is hoarding food and supplies for themselves and diverting aid supplies to themselves while the civilians go without. Not to mention Hamas attacking US attempts to deliver aid by sea.

When these students bring up the comparison to Gaza - and I guarantee that they will - they need to get pushback on what Hamas is doing to starve Palestinian civilians.

[Igel]

84. They confuse themselves with people currently living in Gaza.

Or the Sudan.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

100. NEWSFLASH to Columbia students:

Link to tweet

[SunSeeker]

68. She says right at the being, "First of all, they're obligated to provide food to students who pay for a meal plan here."

What a joke. My son paid for a meal plan at his college. If he didn't come to the dining hall, he got nothing. College dining halls don't deliver food. They're not Domino's.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

72. That's how my meal plan worked too.

I went to eat at a fixed facility. They didn’t come to me.

Maybe she’s under the impression that occupiers can leave the building under truce, pick up food, and bring it back. I can’t figure it out.

And good evening.

[debm55]

74. Entitled revolutionaries. When I live in a dorm, I had to go to the Dining hall. If I had a class during scheduled meal

I missed my meal . No bringing food to my room because I missed it.

[Igel]

85. We could have a brown-bag lunch made.

We'd have to pick it up before the end of breakfast. And swipe our meal card so that in-person lunch, should our schedules change, was off the table. And we could only invoke that privilege a few days a week.

It was basic: Not much more than a sandwich (we got to pick the bread), meat/cheese (with had 2-3 options), a piece of fruit (again, 2-3 options, none interesting ... banana/orange/apple). No beverage. No dessert.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

98. These assholes need to be arrested, prosecuted and if they are students expelled

Link to tweet

[Nixie]

112. Finally! They can go videotape themselves someplace else

[catsudon]

111. basic humanitarian aid?

well sure people in GAZA deserves basic humanitarian aid and much much more.

these students can get bent. they can take turns going to one of the new york fine dining and eat. and i'm sure the campus has water fountain everywhere.

[Efilroft Sul]

3. Surround the building, shut off all utilities, and wait them out. Then divest them from the university.

[FalloutShelter]

5. This.

[RandySF]

4. No

I would have shut off the heat and electricity by now.

[ripcord]

6. Don't forget the water

[dflprincess]

66. For the sake of the people who will have to clean up the mess that will be left behind

don't shut off the plumbing. I'm sure the bathrooms will be disgusting enough even if the toilets are still flushing. But don't make it worse.

[Hekate]

69. Well, that is a salient point

[betsuni]

86. Yes, the minimum wage workers who clean up. Pseudo-revolutionaries love to use the word "solidarity."

[Igel]

88. No, be truly vicious and cruel.

Kill the Internet.

[TheProle]

7. Send them the expired Skittles the Palestinians don't want.

https://www.tiktok.com/@translating_falasteen/video/7362905862651923744

[nocoincidences]

9. Entitled brat

who has never missed a meal and thinks she can talk about starvation and dehydration of other entitled POS.

Hey, the people of Gaza are (supposedly) suffering famine but the protesters can't stand to miss a meal or two.

What a loser.

[enid602]

103. (supposedly) suffering famine?

It’s called genocide..

[Jedi Guy]

10. Columbia's response should be, "Nope."

Interdict any food supplies they attempt to bring into the building. Allow them water. When they come out and get arrested, they can have a sandwich when they get to jail. I'm not going to lose any sleep if these idiots have rumbly tummies until that moment comes.

For extra bonus points, turn off the power to the building. When their devices run dry and they can't post to TikTok anymore, the temper tantrum will start in earnest.

[wnylib]

48. Agree. Since when is a university obligated to allow

catering service to people commiting crimes on university property?

And why in hell has Columbia been trying to negotiate with these students? You can't negotiate with people who are fanatically committed to defiance and refuse to uphold their agreements with university rules. These protesters give empty promises, reneg on them, and then make more demands.

[tritsofme]

12. Ok now...this is hilarious. Once they are expelled, they can go back to having daddy's butler feed them.

[Ace Rothstein]

14. This is from her bio.

Can anyone translate it to English for me?

My goal is to write a prehistory of metabolic rift, Marx’s term for the disruption of energy circuits caused by industrialization under capitalism. I am particularly interested in theories of the imagination and poetry as interpreted through a Marxian lens in order to update and propose an alternative to historicist ideological critiques of the Romantic imagination.

[Sympthsical]

26. Maybe let's not pay off that student loan

I'm currently in college, familiar with all those terms (often unwillingly), and that is just a mishmash of nonsense. Which I understood. I can't figure out if that's an indictment of her or me.

It will sound very smart. It will be very stupid. So, she's probably on a future tenure track with that one (source: I've met my sociology professors)

Although I do find the concept of metabolic rift interesting, because it runs close to my thinking about technology, the Internet, and social media. Strip out the Marxist stupid, and there's a kernel of an idea that humans evolved to interact with the natural world in various specific ways. Agriculture, industry, and technology have separated us from that. I think we've all said or heard some variation of "The human brain was not built to stare at a screen all day. It's not equipped for it." A common sentiment.

The problem here with the "Marxian lens" is that it's going to be a long papering over and apologia for shitty things her favorite ideology has managed. It'll be an endless disquisition of hagiography for a thought-system that should've died over fifty years ago once a few tens of millions died from it.

These neo-Marxists remind me of Thomas Carlyle, an early Victorian social critic. He was very, very, very good at perceiving and understanding the problems experienced and abuse suffered by the laboring and lower classes in an industrializing Britain that was really revving up market capitalism.

But his solutions were fucking awful. No one listened to him. In fact, Parliament ran in the opposite direction. Thankfully.

[lapfog_1]

56. Agriculture, industry, and technology have separated us from that.

yes it did...

But here is the problem, without the technology, industry, and agriculture the entire planet might, maybe, sustain life for 1 or 2 hundred million of us... possibly less. And that life would be much shorter, with a lot more pain and suffering, and very little time to sit in the meadow eating a fruit with the world at peace and think "deep thoughts".

And if there was a war in a far off country... she wouldn't have even heard about it much less care about it. she certainly would not be able to tiktok about the wonders of Marxism.

[Sympthsical]

65. Absolutely agreed

It's a good thought without the three metric shit tons of Marxism getting piled onto it. And it's a thought I do think we need to explore as we start hedging towards a technological crisis (psychological issues + AI = 2030s and 40s are gonna be interesting).

It just blows my mind to see it. A Marxian lens. It's 2024. Do any of these departments create anything new? All they do is deconstruct, renovate, and recycle. It's the same old shit.

It's not even deep thoughts. It's the same thoughts. Except we've already had dozens of real world examples of how this elevated pseudo-intellectualism functions once it's written on human skin.

None of it great.

[Hekate]

67. Very good, and you made me laugh

[Jedi Guy]

29. I'll give it my best shot. I'm not fluent in Idiotese, though, so some of the subtleties may be lost.

My doting parents wasted an absolutely obscene amount of money sending me to Columbia because I'm actually not all that smart. This word salad is the best I can do when attempting to sound at least marginally intelligent. Assuming I don't get expelled, I'm going to be utterly mystified as to why I don't have a six-figure job immediately after I graduate and will whine about it endlessly on TikTok.

I think that's the gist of it, anyway.

[mcar]

39. Good translating!

[Mr.Bill]

59. You left out the inevitable

demands that her six-figure student loan be forgiven.

[Jedi Guy]

62. Dammit, you're right. In my defense, I did say my Idiotese was pretty rusty. Good catch, though, thanks! N/T

[Takket]

104. you should apply for a job at the state department. they could use your translating skills lol

[3catwoman3]

106. I think you nailed it.

As I was reading that statement, my thought was, ""Exactly what sort if real world job is she preparing for with babble like this?"

[Tarheel_Dem]

116. Excellent translation....

[EllieBC]

32. Translation services complete!

Translation: My goal is to do sweet fuck all for 4-8 years. My parents have a lot of money and really just want me out of their hair because I’m really not actually useful. My ultimate goal is to marry well because let’s be honest….i have no actual goals.

[Igel]

89. Sure.

"Bzzzzzz. Zzzzz ... zzzzz ... zzzzz ... me!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_rift

Notably is Wiki's undercutting of what she said (before the fact, of course, expect that to be changed in short order):

Foster, rather than Marx, coined the term “metabolic rift”. Foster argues the theory develops from Marx's earlier work in the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts on species-being and the relationship between humans and nature. Metabolism is Marx's "mature analysis of the alienation of nature"[2]: ix  and presents "a more solid—and scientific—way in which to depict the complex, dynamic interchange between human beings and nature, resulting from human labor."

It's an attempt to rehabilitate socialism ecological nightmares and make Marx "green", or at least red/green plaid.

[betsuni]

117. Revolution is romantic. Except when you get dehydrated, miss a meal, can't take a shower

and, like, get kind of stinky for a couple of days.

[budkin]

16. Get fvcked

Seriously

[sarisataka]

17. Didn't they learn anything from the Bundys?

When you take over a place you have no right to, DON'T FORGET TO BRING SNACKS!

[julmur]

20. Milwaukee irish

Why are none of the protesters calling out Hamas??

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

21. Screw that

Cut water and power to the building. Install cellphone and wifi jammers around it. Arrest anyone who leaves. They'll give up before they get anywhere close to starvation.

[Jedi Guy]

31. "Install cellphone and wifi jammers around it."

That was my suggestion, too. With no TikTok or other social media, they'll crumble within hours.

[TBF]

22. My 16 year old figured out how to order uber eats when he was away at a school competition -

teachers allowed them to either go out to eat in groups or order in the hotel. He sent me a text to let me know he was just getting dinner and how much he would spend.

What is wrong with these students? I thought Columbia was an elite college. I guess no common sense. Order a pizza, dimwits.

[ripcord]

25. What is pissing them off is that the university isn't allowing any food deliveries

But if someone starves or dies of dehydration them we just blame Darwin because they were too fucking stupid to leave the building.

[JoseBalow]

50. Maybe they can be lured out with avocado toast

[Lancero]

27. Their group has already devolved to the point where they are taking hostages, why would any delivery person risk that?

Thankfully they released the hostage they took in under an hour, but still... Shit like that is what would get any reasonably run pizza place to blacklist a address.

[dalton99a]

23. Fucking bums need to get a real job

[mzmolly]

24. Humanitarian aid?

Someone forgot to check their privilege at the door.

[LeftInTX]

97. LOL!!!!!!!!! Check your privilege at the door!!!

A bunch of people should shout that.

True story:
Reporter asked a protester, "What happens if Hamas takes over Israel?".
Response: "They need to check their privilege".

[NavyDem]

28. I wouldn't give them shit.

If they want creature comforts, they can leave and go get them. Nobody forced them to occupy the building. They are free to leave and get food/water or whatever else they need. It's not an internment camp. If you want to protest, stand on principle. Quit with the whine.

[question everything]

30. That's exactly what they should it.

[mymomwasright]

33. Shutting the utilities down will make them stink and worry.

Jamming their phones and computers would drive them bonkers!

[Raven123]

34. What an insult to the cause she supposedly supports

Complaining about wanting “basic humanitarian aid “ when you, as far as I can tell, illegally occupied a college building is an amazingly uninformed statement. These folks can walk out of that building to get food, water and any aid they want any time they want. They lose credibility trying to equate their predicament with that of people who cannot escape their fate and who they purport to support.

If I was a parent of one these kids, I would end my financial support for their tuition and room and board today.

[littlemissmartypants]

60. Apparently she was selected as leader because she's adept at catch phases.

She's really just the fall guy but doesn't know it yet.

Does she remind anyone else of Lucy only a dumber version?

[Wingus Dingus]

35. Why would the university enable them to continue to act like this?

That would be stupid as hell.

[mcar]

37. Do they want beds and comforters too?

[littlemissmartypants]

61. Popcorn and a movie...

[Progressive dog]

43. I expected this.

Next, they'll be giving out phone numbers of local restaurants so supporters can order food to be delivered. If the delivery people aren't allowed in, they'll whine about peaceful protesters being starved.
I'm sure they'll be fed once in custody.

[Boomerproud]

44. Millennial cosplay.

Clueless idiots.

[Dave says]

46. She does not yet realize she will be expelled?

Expelled former students do not get food under a student meal plan, do they?

Having said that, let’s pretend for a moment that they are protesting a war in which our soldiers are dying, you know, like the Vietnam war. Would we then post with such acerbity? Aren’t these methods similar to what students did in the sixties and early seventies to bring about an end to the Vietnam War? If so, we should not be so quick to ridicule and criticize.

But it isn’t ‘our war’. We are not bombing Gaza. Yes, we can and have been trying to influence Israel, but Biden can’t simply issue an executive order and bring an end to it. The Israelis and Palestinians need to end it.

But the anarcho-syndicalist in me cannot help but have sympathy for the students, for the non-Hamas-loving Palestinians, for the Israelis who desire peace - it is a complex situation, not easy to resolve. I wish all of them the best.

[Hekate]

73. I do not recall that students who occupied university buildings wanted the administration to feed them

They experienced tear gas, among other things — but no meal plans

[Dave says]

78. What? No Snickers bars came with the tear gas?

[debm55]

92. I agree with you Hekate. I wonder where they stand on the situation in the Sudan.?

[DemocratInPa]

47. These aren't protests, there riots..

Lets be honest.. Protests march for something, these people are being violent and destroying property.

[Dave says]

52. Good point

[Dave says]

80. *they're

(Sorry.)

[JoseBalow]

49. This isn't The Onion?

[NBachers]

55. That really was as much lame shit as I thought it was, wasn't it?

[Rebl2]

57. Oh brother

Should have planned better maybe.

[nowforever]

63. I'm guessing the vending machines have been emptied

So sad.

[Bev54]

64. Let them call skip the dishes, see if they will deliver for them and they pay.

[Warpy]

70. Entitled much?

They wouldn't ordinarily be allowed to dine there, maybe they should either go to eat in shifts or have had the foresight to by a few packs of Nabs if they weren';t going to be able to leave for the few minutes it would take to eat something.

Occupations are inconvenient and uncomfortable for everybody, both staff and occupiers. The latter need to think ahead about what theiy are going to do about eating and bathroom breaks.

Civil disobedience has consequences. Potential weight loss is only one.

[WhatTheFlux]

75. Avocado toast

So long as those avocados are free-range and vegan!

[WhatTheFlux]

76. next time occupy the cafeteria

[Sugarcoated]

91. These people are absurd

Jfc

[Solly Mack]

93. She's right. That was crazy to say. "Basic humanitarian aid"

I don't even know what to do with that.

There are people who do have a need for basic humanitarian aid, and she is making a mockery of them and their actual struggles by even suggesting she and her fellow protestors are - in any way whatsoever - like those who actually need aid.

[SunSeeker]

94. They're about to get their food, but in jail.

NYPD officers descend on Columbia University campus to clear protest
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/campus-protests-live-updates-students-occupy-columbia-university-rcna149926

[LeftInTX]

110. Knowing this crew, they will protest the jail food and the inhumane conditions at the jail.

"Bring us a chef, bring us a chef."

No, instead of worrying about the inhumane conditions across the ocean, maybe you should volunteer at the Food Bank.

[Golden Raisin]

95. A bit of 1-800-Chutzpah.

[Takket]

96. whelp, they got tear gas instead of food

[betsuni]

101. Students might "die of dehydration and starvation," need "basic humanitarian aid" and

"we're asking that they not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid."

They think this makes them Palestinians and the university Israel but it actually makes the university Hamas because the Hamas plan is to starve Palestinian civilians but students think Hamas are freedom fighters battling colonial Western oppression, so... That doesn't make any sense.

Incredibly offensive to Palestinians. Horrible. And yet hilariously, incredibly stupid. COULD PEOPLE PLEASE HAVE A GLASS OF WATER.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

102. . @Columbia issues statement as NYPD enters campus and mass arrests begin:

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[DaBronx]

105. SUNY

Is a great school system.
Go public!

[Nixie]

109. How embarrassing for them. Privileged campus clowns

want free meals, too. The oppressors need to bring them buffet!

[LeftInTX]

114. She reminds me of a character out of a Woody Allen movie.

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

118. This makes me smile

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

119. I love the comments being added to these tweets

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

120. Princeton University student: "My peers and I are starving."

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