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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA Hobby Lobby plot twist marks a win for abortion rights in Indiana
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/indiana-abortion-ruling-hobby-lobby-rcna146844The U.S. Supreme Court 2014 decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby allowed religious, anti-abortion employers to refuse to cover contraception in their employee health insurance. But an extraordinary April 4 appellate court decision in Indiana turned the conservative Supreme Courts landmark Hobby Lobby decision into a winning argument for abortion rights.
The unanimous ruling from the three-judge panel, which found that the states abortion ban burdens the religious beliefs of those whose faiths permit abortions, signals the possibility of a long overdue shift in the conservative bias of religious freedom jurisprudence. It also signals the emergence of a partial, albeit untested, argument for people needing an abortion in states that have banned it.
The Indiana case was brought in 2022 by five anonymous plaintiffs of faith and the group Jewish Hoosiers for Choice. Theyre seeking a religious exemption from the abortion ban Indiana enacted following the U.S. Supreme Courts reversal of Roe v. Wade that year. They said the ban violates their rights under the states Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), which, like the federal law the owners of Hobby Lobby successfully relied on to avoid providing contraception coverage, protects religious objectors from laws that substantially burden their sincerely held religious beliefs.
The plaintiffs argued that their religious doctrine teaches that a fetus is part of a womans body, not an independent being with its own rights. The abortion ban, then, violates their religious freedom to decide whether to have an abortion. This argument, which undergirds similar religious freedom lawsuits across the country, including in Kentucky, Missouri and Florida, is a profound pushback against the Christian rights attempts to assert their position, that life begins at conception and that a fetus is a person, as the only genuine religious belief.
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progressoid
(50,123 posts)That's a fun twist.
prodigitalson
(2,529 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,764 posts)until then it is just another part of a woman.
According to a 2017 Pew survey, 83% of American Jews believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. All the non-Orthodox movements have statements supporting reproductive rights, and even ultra-Orthodox leaders have resisted anti-abortion measures that do not allow religious exceptions.
This is a good read:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/theres-more-than-one-jewish-view-to-answer-the-question-of-when-life-begins/
CrispyQ
(36,778 posts)Yeah, & so is algae.
Pregnancy tissue at six weeks.
Pregnancy tissue at nine weeks.
These do not have a heartbeat.
LiberalArkie
(15,764 posts)I look at it now as a lost cause. The suburbs were originally the white flight people who wanted to be away from those "OTHER" people. They formed their own schools and churches and because they were in their own little bubble they all ended up thinking alike.
pandr32
(11,732 posts)erronis
(15,786 posts)They were a hell of a lot smarter than some of the current breed or RW nutjobs. They knew that if you allowed them (religion/state) to become intertwined then both would be weakened.
Mr.Bill
(24,438 posts)in Philadelphia to steal everything they could get their hands on.
charliea
(264 posts)"It's a Christian nation! Those other religions are baby killers!"
Hopefully it won't have that much impact this time...
Biophilic
(3,850 posts)I wanted to say, and so the religious wars start, but they've been there all the time. Now the gloves will come off.
Emile
(24,161 posts)on abortion is. .
sdfernando
(5,010 posts)Or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or Pastafarianism??
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They could've really opened up a can of worms. Let's hope so -- they deserve it.
NanaCat
(2,332 posts)It's right there in 'seven fundamental tenets,' equivalent of the 10 Commandments:
Ones body is inviolable, subject to ones own will alone.
And indirectly here:
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets
Chili Pepper
(107 posts)That Hobby Lobby decision should be filed under "Be careful what you wish for"
h2ebits
(656 posts)It is my greatest hope that every other religion in each state of our union will follow suit with more lawsuits.
Hoisted on their own petard, I would say.
Hekate
(91,602 posts)This is not the only lawsuit going forward, and I very much hope we see similar results in the others. Candles lit. Fingers crossed.
The plaintiffs argued that their religious doctrine teaches that a fetus is part of a womans body, not an independent being with its own rights. The abortion ban, then, violates their religious freedom to decide whether to have an abortion. This argument, which undergirds similar religious freedom lawsuits across the country, including in Kentucky, Missouri and Florida, is a profound pushback against the Christian rights attempts to assert their position, that life begins at conception and that a fetus is a person, as the only genuine religious belief.
StarryNite
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AKwannabe
(5,751 posts)Dr. T
(99 posts)a belief that alcohol blends with the evil in your body and is flushed down the toilet. Does this mean my bar tab is tax exempt?
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,298 posts)But the completely corrupt Republican Conservative exposes itself as anything but. They'll grab that pendulum with both fists to prevent a healthy democracy from thriving..
As reassuring as this decision is, having to rely on actual good judgement is harder than ever. They realized how the natural wisdom achieved with age was against their recently discovered primary principles of hating women and immigrants. So they found the most corrupt justices, who lied under oath and make up the majority on the SCOTUS. And there are many more like them - stunted would-be intellectuals - waiting in the wings.
rubbersole
(6,889 posts)And somebody else's god speaks.
Puppyjive
(517 posts)My pregnancy bills were not getting paid. The company did not cover pregnancy. They forced me into a different plan with less benefit when I became pregnant. The two plans couldn't decide who should pay what bill. Before the birth, was I one person, or two? It was a god awful cluster.
cstanleytech
(26,472 posts)vanlassie
(5,725 posts)Ligyron
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JohnnyRingo
(18,816 posts)They believe the fetus is part of the mother and not yet a separate entity.
Making abortion illegal would be like telling a person they aren't allowed to have their appendix removed. Or teeth pulled without due reason emanating from the govt.
Farmer-Rick
(10,388 posts)The Supremes and the anti abortion religiously insane chose their Christian religion's dogma to enforce as law.
But then ignored the fact that not everyone in the US are their kind of religion. Lots of societies and religions don't view an embryo or fetus as people with special rights to use a woman's body.
This sort of argument was bound to come up. I wonder how the Supremes will respond.