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Decline watch... we just crossed another point. (Yes that is part of the LONG TERM TRENDS we are observing, for the benefit of those who have missed the at times long trend articles)
It used to be industrial goods...(that we were always pushing)
Check.
Anybody is really curious there are places on the web seriously discussing this subject by the way... and I do not mean fringe places either. I mean very much ELITE places.
Per Joephilly suggestion, here is a link to Decline Watch
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/category/topic/decline_watch
Foreign Policy is one of those elite of elite pubs, and have been running this trends spotting as it were, for a while. It makes for, at times, depressing reading. And no, they are not reds or blues, it is targeted at foreign service pros and other specialists.
DCKit
(18,541 posts)But that's just me.
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)Definitely NEED to bring manufacturing back, but as long as the corporate entities thrive off cheap foreign labor it's not looking so good. Thankfully Obama saved the auto industry. Imagine America without an auto industry.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but as far as I can remember this is the first time I hear the POTUS sounding like insert President of Mexico here...
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)job security for the thousands upon thousands that work in the service economy of Florida.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)so did De La Madrid in Veracruz... curious, and I wil leave at that.
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)I had study it in school. That was my major and what I was preparing a job for.
Demanding passports between the Canadian U.S. border destroyed one MAJOR aspect of tourism.
They protected that industry directly into the ground.
ROFF
(219 posts)President Obama actually said "Tourism is our number one SERVICE export"
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Or "selectively deaf"... or ... "did not listen closely".
But regardless, you are right ... he did not say what the OP claims.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)LIke oh insert developing economy here? I heard it very well thank you.
As I said, there are SERIOUS places that are discussing this very seriously. Those very SERIOUS places are not into team sports, between the red team and the blue team.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It is a marker... like it nor.
And yes the US is a declining power. I guess team members will be the last to know.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)But the video CLEARLY shows that is NOT what he said.
You did not include a link to the video, so I went and FOUND one ... watched it ... and opps, he does not say what your OP claims he said (sans link).
And now you try to deflect away.
Why not just say that you missed the word "service"??
All he REALLY did was talk UP tourism to the US ... which is bad, why?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)which is not.
I said this is yet another marker and that in very serious places markers like this are noted.
There are a few others... like our health status, and our educational achievements.
I noted this as a marker, not a value added to it. It is more of a fact than a value. It has none to do with good or bad.
You are talking politics, I am talking LONG TERM trends, which have little or none to do with short term politics.
Why I said, I gave up on team sports.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)injected into the thread.
Moreover, its not a "marker" is what you claim he said is not what he actually said.
I am not talking politics ... I'm talking facts.
Obama did not say what you claimed he said ... and given that, the "marker" you now talk about remains a false marker.
I did not mention politics at all, but you seem to be tossing that in to avoid the fact that what you claimed is not actually what Obama said.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I give up, but for your benefit I will edit this to note this... is that ok?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)There are lots of regulars here. I recognize many of them, you included.
In any case ... sure ... clarify your OP... maybe add a link to the actual video (I provided one) if you want to.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)thanks for the tip... will link to one of the many articles
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)"Tourism is the #1 SERVICE that we export" ... did you miss the word SERVICE????
Here is the video ... go to the 1:50 point in the video and listen again ... up to the 2:20 or so mark. He is very clear.
http://www.news-press.com/videonetwork/1402359906001/Speech-President-Obama-speaks-at-Disney-World
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zappaman
(20,606 posts)Not for the OP which clearly misquotes what Obama said, but for post #29.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)And that definitely makes a difference in the context of the quote. I'm not sure why the OP didn't just make the correction, or maybe that would render the faux outrage post moot.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Not a hard thing to change, but I'm not shocked.
No siree.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)at this point I just do this.
and f course this
(Incidentally the smilies work very well, that IS slick)
pintobean
(18,101 posts)at the ELITE places?
SERIOUSly
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)lamp_shade
(14,841 posts)htuttle
(23,738 posts)You can export services like 'interpreting X-Rays' and doing medical transcription, which are two that India exports in a big way (and used to be actual jobs here in the US), but I don't see how tourism can be exported. People have to come here to use it.
Maybe that's nitpicking, but being a tourist destination is not something to be terribly proud about, economically speaking. Not compared to exporting actual goods or higher paying services. Compare a waiter's wages to a medical transcriptionist, for example.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and it is not 100% of the economy either. It just struck my attention.
surfdog
(624 posts)Most our jobs created come from Tourism
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)by bumping wages and giving workers time off as it used to be.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)in Spanish... in a real touristy place...
It was a strange feeling of deja vu... and long term trends... not good.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That seems to be where we are headed.
Once you become a culture of service, you lose the ability for arts, culture, and science.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but as the decades go on, we should see a decline in US Nobel prizes, if the trends are not reversed.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)Value of goods exported 2010: $1,288,699 million
Value of services exported in 2010: $548,878 million
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1300.pdf
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That is not in dispute, but services are going up... and for the state of florida, he was there for tourism jobs.
bhikkhu
(10,720 posts)...for which the president deserves some credit. The old attitude "everybody knows we don't make things here anymore" is increasingly not true (due in large part to the president's policies), and so - as a typical falsehood - has become more the mantra of republicans.
Tourism has nothing to do with it, though the places that benefit from tourism probably appreciate the president's message.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)there is made in America sets right now, but that is another story.
This was more the... my ear is attuned to these messages from years of following the trends as an academic pursuit... and I mean second tier power trends.
This started, to be brutally honest, with Reagan... and the slow attacks on the Steel industry.
It accelerated to dizzying speeds after we invaded Iraq.
This is party independent, and in pretty serious places people are keeping an eye on it. I have posted articles on this here. Silly season is upon us, so I will continue to follow this interest of mine at other places. I can tell that this place is not the place to discuss this anymore.
I think man bytes dog is the preferred diet at this point. And since I gave up sports, and the red team and the blue team matter little when it comes to things like this... we are talking one to two generation trends... not a year electoral cycle, we are talking of two very different time lines.
And as I said, when it comes to this, being members of a team does not work.
Suffice it to say we are NOT number one on more than just a few major indices.
bhikkhu
(10,720 posts)...and the sooner that whole idea is dropped, the better.
Other than that, I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. You can say the red team and the blue team matter little, and somehow this all has to do with export trends, or tourism, or whether we're number one or not, but that's varieties of nonsense - you could also say that the fine differences between, for instance, the good standard of equality in Europe, and the poor standard of equality in the US, is largely the result of many years of governmental policies definable entirely as "red team vs blue team" issues. In other words, in otherwise materially equivalent developed societies, the main differences in quality of life affecting the majority arise from political choices.
Good government and good policies have good results for the people that vote for them; both have been well-demonstrated in various ways around the world, and are well worth pursuing here.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)both parties are into empire, and keeping it. That is where they stop mattering. One is better on internal policies, why they get my vote... but on this empire shtick, both are just as bad.
Hey, IKE warned us.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)archivist at a museum we promoted tourism as part of our diversified economy. The small communtiy had logging, manufacturing, and tourism/hospitality. That seems a better way to go for communities wherever they are.