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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:25 PM Mar 28

The Christian reaction to Trump's Bible endorsement goes deeper than you think

CNN

“Happy Holy Week!” Trump announced on social media Tuesday, during the most solemn period of the Christian calendar, the last week of the Lenten season marking the suffering and death of Jesus. “As we lead into Good Friday and Easter, I encourage you to get a copy of the God Bless The USA Bible.”

The concept of a Bible covered in the American flag, as well as a former president’s endorsement of a text Christians consider to be sacred, has raised concern among religious circles. It’s also raised questions about Trump’s motivations, as the former president finds himself in the middle of several expensive legal battles.

‘Sacrilege,’ theology, and the shadow of Christian nationalism

The $59.99 Bible, which was first published in 2021, features an American flag and the words “God Bless the USA” printed on the cover. Inside, it has the words to “God Bless the USA” and the text of The Declaration of Independence, the Pledge of Allegiance and other historic American documents. Promotional material for the Bible shows the former president alongside country singer Lee Greenwood.

Responses to Trump’s social media announcement called the endorsement “sacrilege,” “heresy” and “borderline offensive” and cite lessons directly from the Bible that suggest taking advantage of people’s faith for money should be condemned.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/28/us/donald-trump-bible-christianity-cec/index.html

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The Christian reaction to Trump's Bible endorsement goes deeper than you think (Original Post) spanone Mar 28 OP
"Borderline Offensive?" BOSSHOG Mar 28 #1
Yes, "Borderline offensive " stood out to me, too, and I'm not religious Deuxcents Mar 28 #2
Not borderline catrose Mar 29 #15
This guy can't name a favorite bible verse when asked. Captain Zero Mar 29 #17
These guys are, like, obsessed with borders! Aristus Mar 29 #24
A little pregnant Baptist preacher's daughter found a cure back in the day too. czarjak Mar 29 #29
Nothing 'borderline" about it Maeve Mar 29 #34
Not even mildly, only borderline maybe dalton99a Mar 28 #3
Borderline personality disorder... Carola Mar 29 #21
I know I've read you before. marble falls Mar 29 #25
I wish these "Christian leaders" would start condemning Trump Diamond_Dog Mar 28 #4
Little Marco Rubio must have a quote for this situation. Swede Mar 28 #5
He's always so oddly inappropriate. Didn't he say "Happy Memorial Day!" or something catbyte Mar 29 #6
It's a way for Talibangelical churches to donate OMGWTF Mar 29 #7
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 29 #8
"Taking advantage of people's faith... SergeStorms Mar 29 #9
Of Course That Has Been the Roman Catholic Charter From the Start The Roux Comes First Mar 29 #11
Happy Holy Week isn't a thing SleeplessinSoCal Mar 29 #10
The AntiChrist selling Bibles orangecrush Mar 29 #12
Deeper reaction doesn't so much as a WIDER reaction Silent3 Mar 29 #13
Hope so... Drum Mar 29 #14
Anecdotal, but shanti Mar 29 #16
Aside from the blasphemy does he not realize that 99.99% of all Christians GoodRaisin Mar 29 #18
I reckon many evangelical preachers are pissed that Trump is stepping on their grift. Midnight Writer Mar 29 #19
thank you Skittles Mar 29 #31
If his targets are Christian why are they buying a bible from him if they should already have one? LiberalFighter Mar 29 #20
Is Trump expanding his real estate holdings to heaven? And hell? Ping Tung Mar 29 #22
Biblical irony at its best... ProudMNDemocrat Mar 29 #23
..i am expecting the. thomski64 Mar 29 #26
His statement, "The Bible is my favorite book, I have a lot of them in my library", was all I would think a Christian .. marble falls Mar 29 #27
If he has Bibles at Maralardo, he let the Gideons in at some point Maeve Mar 29 #35
I see his campaign committee, pacs, and the rnc buying millions of copies getagrip_already Mar 29 #28
I am a lapsed Catholic BlueKota Mar 29 #30
I wonder if this says more about white evangelicals than it does Trump? walkingman Mar 29 #32
Jesus had some thoughts on the Biblical kingdom being separate from the earthly kingdoms. keithbvadu2 Mar 29 #33

BOSSHOG

(37,070 posts)
1. "Borderline Offensive?"
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:27 PM
Mar 28

That’s hilarious. And yet they love their tax exempt status. They’ll deal with the outrage.

Deuxcents

(16,248 posts)
2. Yes, "Borderline offensive " stood out to me, too, and I'm not religious
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:35 PM
Mar 28

It’s offensive to me as I am a believer in separation of church and state. We have a diverse country with many religions and traditions and those of us who have the freedom from religion. Adding the flag, constitution copies and other documents and then hawking them for profit is beyond borderline offensive to me.

Captain Zero

(6,811 posts)
17. This guy can't name a favorite bible verse when asked.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:01 AM
Mar 29

He says the whole thing is pretty good and also drops in that he wrote a book titled 'the Art of the Deal'.

The ghost writer of that book has told us that there are only two things you need to know about Donald Trump:

1. He knows NOTHING.

2. He does not work.

czarjak

(11,278 posts)
29. A little pregnant Baptist preacher's daughter found a cure back in the day too.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:49 PM
Mar 29

Like a miracle, it disappeared.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
34. Nothing 'borderline" about it
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 08:50 PM
Mar 29

No longer practicing, but still identifying as a follower of Jesus. The first verse that comes to mind is "Jesus wept"

Diamond_Dog

(32,006 posts)
4. I wish these "Christian leaders" would start condemning Trump
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:41 PM
Mar 28

But they never seem to be able to go that far. I’ll bet many who find his Bible hawking offensive will still vote for him.

catbyte

(34,403 posts)
6. He's always so oddly inappropriate. Didn't he say "Happy Memorial Day!" or something
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 12:02 AM
Mar 29

like that? He just never got faking actual human emotions down. What a sleaze.

OMGWTF

(3,959 posts)
7. It's a way for Talibangelical churches to donate
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 12:18 AM
Mar 29

$ to Trump indirectly. Money laundering.

TAX THE CHURCHES!

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
9. "Taking advantage of people's faith...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 12:58 AM
Mar 29

for money should be condemned."

The pastors of these huge evangelical churches are ripping their parishoners off to the tune of millions of dollars every year, but none of them bat an eye about that.

These people don't realize, or don't want to realize, that their "churches" are cash cows for all types of hucksters.

Now they can add Trump's name to that long list.

The Roux Comes First

(1,299 posts)
11. Of Course That Has Been the Roman Catholic Charter From the Start
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:06 AM
Mar 29

Steal from the poor to enrich the already obscenely wealthy.

These folks are just late to the trough.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
10. Happy Holy Week isn't a thing
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:02 AM
Mar 29

We've come through Maundy Thursday's feet washing and are headed into Good Friday - the crucifixion. These are not happy days.

Silent3

(15,234 posts)
13. Deeper reaction doesn't so much as a WIDER reaction
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:48 AM
Mar 29

There have long been Christians, even a few of the evangelical and fundamentalist variety, who've wanted to steer clear of, and warn other Christians about, Christian Nationalism and Trumpism.

I recognize the name of Rev. Benjamin Cremer as among those people.

I'm not a Christian myself, but I have a sister who is a rare happy story of someone who'd been very rabidly part of right-wing Christianity, who voted for Trump, but finally got disgusted with him, and changed her own take on Christianity in the process, now focusing much more on the messages of love and tolerance found in Christianity. Cremer is someone she frequently cites.

Want I want to hear is that this crass Bible scamming by Trump is helping a wider group of Christians see through Trump's malignancy.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
16. Anecdotal, but
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 02:38 AM
Mar 29

My evangelical Xtian aunt says she's never heard of this Trump bible as she "never watches the news anymore". This coming from huge Faux viewers, so maybe the tide is turning? We can only hope.

GoodRaisin

(8,924 posts)
18. Aside from the blasphemy does he not realize that 99.99% of all Christians
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:13 AM
Mar 29

already have a bible? Why would they need to pay him $60 for another one? Of all his stupid ideas this one and the shoes are showing he’s really starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel for new schemes to steal money from stupid people. I just don’t understand how even stupid people could want this useless shit he keeps dreaming up let alone vote for him to be the fucking President. He better be careful how far he pushes his fake Christian act, he’s just liable to start pissing these people off and pissing away some votes he can’t afford to lose.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
19. I reckon many evangelical preachers are pissed that Trump is stepping on their grift.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:54 AM
Mar 29

It's one thing to sell tax cuts and pardons.

It's another to sell salvation. That job is filled.

Ping Tung

(580 posts)
22. Is Trump expanding his real estate holdings to heaven? And hell?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:36 AM
Mar 29

Cloud side condos with holy water hot tub on terrace overlooking Trump's gold course clubhouse. *Open only to club members who have bought 100 bibles, 20 golden golf shoes, and tickets to Trump's next rally where God is expected to appear.

MAGAs who buy only 8 bibles will be able to purchase a lavish tenement closet populated by cockroaches who didn't buy Golden Shoes.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
23. Biblical irony at its best...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:44 AM
Mar 29

How IRONIC that in the Bible, Jesus throws out the money lenders(makers) from the area of the Temple that is reserved for those to pray to and worship God.

And here we have a godless figure hawking the very words of Christ for profit. That is Blasphemy at its purest.

marble falls

(57,106 posts)
27. His statement, "The Bible is my favorite book, I have a lot of them in my library", was all I would think a Christian ..
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:27 PM
Mar 29

... would need to hear to walk a wide berth around Mango Jebus. All those piles of Bibles in his collection are kept right next to his porno rags.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
35. If he has Bibles at Maralardo, he let the Gideons in at some point
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 08:56 PM
Mar 29

He never paid a thin dime for a holy book of any type!

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
28. I see his campaign committee, pacs, and the rnc buying millions of copies
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:29 PM
Mar 29

On paper that never actually get printed or shipped. Electronic copies.

Money straight into his account bypassing controls.

To be given out as thank yous to contributors. All perfectly legal.

BlueKota

(1,745 posts)
30. I am a lapsed Catholic
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:49 PM
Mar 29

but I still believe in God and Christ. I am not here to explain or defend that belief. I respect atheists right to their belief and hope my beliefs are respected as well.

With that out of the way I will say I am totally offended by Trump's Bible sales for his legal bills. Yes I believe it is blasphemy as is the constant drumbeat from his "Christian" Magat followers that Trump is a messenger from God. It's disgusting that more religious leaders aren't speaking out against this, but that's just one reason why I now reject organized religions.

I was also offended when he held the Bible in June 2020 as a political stunt. My faith tells me I cannot judge his soul because that's God's job, but I can still hope he's far better at holding Trump accountable for his sins than our courts are at holding him accountable for breaking the law.

walkingman

(7,628 posts)
32. I wonder if this says more about white evangelicals than it does Trump?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 08:31 PM
Mar 29

After all, Biden is a devout Christian who attends church regularly and Trump, who seems to be everything a Christian would not be and yet the white evangelical community reject Biden as a voting block.

It is pretty obvious to me this is nothing more than playing to the white evangelical voters base?

I think a lot of it goes back to old tired idea from white evangelicals that catholics are not true Christians. I know growing up in a white evangelical household I heard that many times.

I'm no longer religious - from every indication I have seen in my lifetime it is not my genre of people on so many levels.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
33. Jesus had some thoughts on the Biblical kingdom being separate from the earthly kingdoms.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 08:43 PM
Mar 29

Now they are being joined?

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