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TheProle

(2,179 posts)
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 07:32 PM Mar 28

Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror

The Taliban’s announcement that it is resuming publicly stoning women to death has been enabled by the international community’s silence, human rights groups have said.

Safia Arefi, a lawyer and head of the Afghan human rights organisation Women’s Window of Hope, said the announcement had condemned Afghan women to return to the darkest days of Taliban rule in the 1990s.

“With this announcement by the Taliban leader, a new chapter of private punishments has begun and Afghan women are experiencing the depths of loneliness,” Arefi said.

“Now, no one is standing beside them to save them from Taliban punishments. The international community has chosen to remain silent in the face of these violations of women’s rights.”


https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror
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Taliban edict to resume stoning women to death met with horror (Original Post) TheProle Mar 28 OP
The Taliban can still show the GOP a thing or two. Turbineguy Mar 28 #1
I'm afraid they are. Midnight Writer Mar 29 #32
Humans need a redo. Joinfortmill Mar 28 #2
MEN need a redo MEN. This is is a policy by MEN to stone WOMEN. Coventina Mar 28 #6
Exactly. Male run religions are the bane of half the planet. ancianita Mar 28 #20
Man created God in his image to control woman. CrispyQ Mar 28 #29
Tell it to Jimmy & Rosalyn Carter, Hillary & Bill, the Obamas, Joe & Jill Biden, other leaders of Western countries, ancianita Mar 29 #31
Exactly! MuseRider Mar 28 #25
Rec canetoad Mar 28 #27
Saddened but not surprised. Coventina Mar 28 #3
The Horror of Humans Nictuku Mar 28 #4
No, it's the horror of MEN. MEN enacted this policy. To stone WOMEN. Coventina Mar 28 #5
I absolutely agree with you. slightlv Mar 28 #23
Once again here to rec and reply. MuseRider Mar 28 #26
But Islam is a religion of peace Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 28 #7
That punishment is in the bible too. If the fascist christians take over our country, it will happen here. n/t spike jones Mar 28 #16
But most Americans are already Christian JI7 Mar 28 #21
Old Testament Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 28 #24
What do they want the international community to do ? JI7 Mar 28 #8
A Thousand Splendid Suns leftieNanner Mar 28 #9
A perfect example of what happens when you let religious whack jobs control things SouthernDem4ever Mar 28 #10
Unless we are very lucky... Hope22 Mar 28 #11
Animals Ruby the Liberal Mar 28 #12
Hamas would have the same for Palestine if they could. egduj Mar 28 #13
Men need to turn it off and turn it back on again. AllyCat Mar 28 #14
TRUMP GETS THE CREDIT Jimvanhise Mar 28 #15
No, They were stoning women long before Trump JI7 Mar 28 #22
Ironic, isn't it? TSExile Mar 28 #17
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Mar 28 #18
I don't know why anyone is surprised, this is who they've always been Warpy Mar 28 #19
All Religion grandpamike1 Mar 28 #28
"the Taliban executed people in public at stadiums in Jawzjan and Ghazni provinces. The militant group has urged people riversedge Mar 28 #30
There won't be Virgins in Heaven waiting for them.... ProudMNDemocrat Mar 29 #33

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
29. Man created God in his image to control woman.
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:15 PM
Mar 28

They even co-opted the birth process and crafted woman from one of man's ribs.

ancianita

(36,099 posts)
31. Tell it to Jimmy & Rosalyn Carter, Hillary & Bill, the Obamas, Joe & Jill Biden, other leaders of Western countries,
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:05 AM
Mar 29

Last edited Fri Mar 29, 2024, 07:58 AM - Edit history (1)

tell our US military's chaplains, 41% of current scientists, 2.3 billion humans; tell it to all the past most famous architects, artists, musicians/choir singers, philosophers, or other creators of Western law and culture who just fell for that god consciousness hoax across continents for thousands of years; tell it to those whose creativity were, and continue to be, inspired by nothing but manmade crap over thousands of years.

Maybe our Christian presidents can explain the bases of their belief better than I can; still, I suppose I can take a stab at it. Because glib proclamations of "there is no god, man just made that shit up" doesn't work for this former atheist anymore. tl;dr

Patriarchy was established by force long before any god consciousness organized societies.
Patriarchy was founded on the now irrational predator/prey jungle ethic of "might makes right" -- in "Man's" (collective gender pronoun being used here for convenience) original image of himself as survivor.
Females had a different outlook on surviving -- "fight or flight" -- but to males, surviving meant females had to submit to male will or suffer and die. That "inner depravity," as John Calvin called it. Founders of strains of Christianity have always known that females have always had a hand in creating "civil" izing systems in spite of male survival ethics. ("Husbands love your wives" rules in the big hoax Bible)

To "civil" ize humans was to revalue human life. Projecting only the male view of human worth -- predator/prey, kill or be killed, fuck or be fucked, win-lose -- has been the downfall of systems that came before rational monotheistic belief systems. Which the Hebrews have been historically credited with fighting for and winning human hearts and minds with. The patriarchy-infected systems still lingered in Christianity, Law, and institutions that spun off from those core foundations. Now there's equality of life, rule of law, bar associations, professional institutions, civilian run militaries, separation of church and state.

It's just that the inner depravities of patriarchy still infect them. Which include calling divinities male only; which include spiritual, economic, social inequality through concepts like "headship" and "submission" in christianity and islam. I should have said that patriarchy is the bane of the planet. Believers are still the best of civilizing forces that create peaceful, just, verdant futures for humanity.
The patriarchy virus will be killed when both males and females kill it.

Moreover, the thing about ordering society in history "in man's image" has been tried all over the world; it's been cause of much suffering and cost to societies ordered for males only.

In the Western part of the world, those who originally set up societies by "commandments," "Law," "statutes," "judges," "testimony," "rules of evidence," "enforcement" "record keeping" "education," etc., -- they all who developed conscience and evolved just went through all that trouble for at least 4,000 years, across continents, who didn't know each other when they set those practices and principle to writing -- they were just making up where they got it from, right? Along with their peace and justice concepts, like humility, making amends to one another, kindness, love, forgiveness, sharing, charitable works to the stranger, orphans, science to alleviate suffering, patience, perseverance, justice?

Okay, then. Then let's move on to what, secular humanist laws? Where would they possibly be coming from? Is humanity going to make up all new stuff to create a new global, national, local order?

In all non-religious societies today, patriarchy's "might makes right"/"inner depravity" infection still lives on like a virus. Yes, females get infected by it, too. Nothing better than what the West has painstakingly created has been created by humans, no matter how many prehistoric societies we find buried.

The end of religion and all the culture and law it produced, still won't end the infection of patriarchy that existed before religion.
The only thing that immunizes humans from the patriarchy virus is democracy, equality and protection by rule of law, and the separation of church and state.
Those things are biblical, no-hoax concepts and the cure for the patriarchy virus.

But I do go on, and could go on, but more coffee's calling......

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
25. Exactly!
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:10 PM
Mar 28

I was just now peeking in and getting ready to say something like that but how you said it is much better. Thank you.

canetoad

(17,169 posts)
27. Rec
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:15 PM
Mar 28

Excellent post.
PS. I've not seen an individual post gather 20 recs since the new system. Well done.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
3. Saddened but not surprised.
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 07:38 PM
Mar 28

This was 100% going to happen once the Taliban were given (back) Afghanistan

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
5. No, it's the horror of MEN. MEN enacted this policy. To stone WOMEN.
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 08:12 PM
Mar 28

This is GENDER BASED HATRED.

This isn't about humanity as much as it is about MEN.

slightlv

(2,823 posts)
23. I absolutely agree with you.
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 09:55 PM
Mar 28

I also agree given time, our own home grown xtianist religious extremists will do it to us. Men in the US are every bit as afraid of and hostile to women as these Taliban. In fact if they could get away with it right now, they'd strip us of all our human rights. Like the insurrection, it's a slow moving coup against us... slow until it hits that pivotal point where everything is lost all at once. Just as with these women, many of us have tried for years to raise the slarm... only to be given that old female slur of hysterical... and then they took away our bodily autonomy.

If there were a way to do it, I'd like to see men's levels of testosterone brought down. While it wouldn't change everything for the better, I can't help but think it would bring down the violence in the world by a measurable amount. Hmmm... since they stripped us of our reproductive rights, maybe we should demand this of men in order to live in a little more peaceful world. It might make it a bit safer for women at least... and men could begin thinking of something beyond sex and violence. Just my opinion... after 69 years, a bit of a jaded one, to be sure.

spike jones

(1,680 posts)
16. That punishment is in the bible too. If the fascist christians take over our country, it will happen here. n/t
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 09:31 PM
Mar 28

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
10. A perfect example of what happens when you let religious whack jobs control things
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 08:53 PM
Mar 28

They should be a fringe group hiding out in a cave where they can't hurt normal people.

Hope22

(1,843 posts)
11. Unless we are very lucky...
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 08:57 PM
Mar 28

…one day they will demand to stone us too. Look at the pattern. Since Iraq this country has been a race to the bottom in terms of personal freedoms.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
12. Animals
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 09:17 PM
Mar 28

Some years ago I watched a movie set in Iran called The Stoning of Soraya M.

My blood ran cold. I still have scenes from that depiction flash into my memory from time to time.

I hope there is an extra special circle in hell reserved for these monsters.

Jimvanhise

(302 posts)
15. TRUMP GETS THE CREDIT
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 09:30 PM
Mar 28

On his way out the door in 2021 Trump ordered Afghanistan to release five thousand Taliban prisoners. That's who is running Afghanistan now.

TSExile

(2,451 posts)
17. Ironic, isn't it?
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 09:38 PM
Mar 28

This country spent 20 years fighting a war against religious extremism - and the Grand Old Patriarchy, ahem, Party of today would GLADLY stone women here. Don't think they wouldn't do it if they could.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
19. I don't know why anyone is surprised, this is who they've always been
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 09:46 PM
Mar 28

These are the scumbags TFG made the deal with.

There is nothing we can do about this but welcome Afghan refugees.

riversedge

(70,244 posts)
30. "the Taliban executed people in public at stadiums in Jawzjan and Ghazni provinces. The militant group has urged people
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:29 PM
Mar 28




........Most recently, in February, the Taliban executed people in public at stadiums in Jawzjan and Ghazni provinces. The militant group has urged people to attend executions and punishments as a “lesson” but banned filming or photography.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror?CMP=share_btn_url

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
33. There won't be Virgins in Heaven waiting for them....
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:11 AM
Mar 29

Because they all have been stoned to death for some innocent indiscretion like showing a finger.

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