Lieberman tried to defeat Obama in 08, single handedly cut the public option & was CURRENTLY working to elect trump.

[themaguffin]

These are just facts.

I'm trying to be respectful, but this can't be forgotten.

[Emile]

1. He was a registered independent. No tears

here.

[senseandsensibility]

2. I can't help but think about how we'd be reacting

if he hadn't turned away from us in such damaging ways, and wondering why he did it. I always found his metamorphosis perplexing.

[Rebl2]

10. Same here

It was just strange how he totally flipped.

[agingdem]

19. Lieberman flipped because he lost the 2006 Democratic primary

to Ned Lamont...and he killed the public option because he was beholding to the insurance lobby...and he was the precursor to Joe Manchin, so much so John McCain wanted Joe Lieberman to be his running mate in 2008...I’m Jewish and I couldn’t stand the guy…he will not be missed

[DBoon]

58. Manchin at least has the excuse of representing a conservative state

[carpetbagger]

97. Manchin was like that when Dukakis carried WV.

I agree he's survived because of it, and that he's probably the best we could have done there over the 2010s, but he was once well to the right of state leadership.

[BComplex]

109. A Democrat could well win his seat if they ran on abortion rights and republicans taking away people's rights

It's still winnable.

[carpetbagger]

130. I'm skeptical.

Only 35 percent of West Virginians describe themselves as pro-choice, lower than Alabama, and much white. I suspect an economic populist would be more likely to get traction, Sanders resonated there, but statewide it looks pretty bleak for the next generation. We've got a good candidate for governor, but it's an uphill fight for sure.

[CTyankee]

65. I still have my campaign button from that election. I thought Lieberman was just OK and of course he was running

with Gore, who I liked a lot, and had moved to CT where I love to live. I was (still am) really happy to live here so I thought of him as a real asset for us.

[Newkophile65]

92. Did Gore no favor

Re that 2000 campaign, I recall how poorly Lieberman did when it came to debating VP Cheney. He showed no fire whatsoever and acted in a collegial manner when Cheney spoke. Lieberman was a lousy Dem and really showed his true colors when he supported McCain against Obama eight years later.

[calimary]

100. Welcome to DU, Newkophile65!

I remember wishing Gore had chosen someone else for his running mate. Lieberman didn't impress me much, but Gore thought highly of him, so for me, that made him okay. But when he went independent after having been such a prominent Democratic leader, that was extremely disappointing (from the "Dance with the One that Brung Ya" department). I remember actually feeling rather indignant. Not to mention abandoned, jilted, and betrayed.

Well, he's at rest now, and his years of service are complete. I wish his spirit safe passage.

[Captain Zero]

102. He lost the South for Gore

Should never had happened.
Clinton and Gore had won significant portions of the South for two elections.

[calimary]

124. Well, I guess we should focus on "he's gone. RIP" aspect.

In the latter part of his life, he did tremendous damage to our party and our politics and our democracy.

He’s done his service. That’s over. Now he’s at rest.

[CTyankee]

112. TBH, I had just moved on and found him quite forgettable. Obama was my main concern and I loved him (still do)....

Thanks for the update, tho.

[colorado_ufo]

99. I always felt that he cost Gore the election.

A President needs a strong VP who is capable and who has his back. Who is fit to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency. Biden was that to Obama, and now Harris is doing a fine job for Biden.

[Nutty Putty]

104. This Right Here

That's the long and short. Lieberman betrayed us. No forgiveness -- never!

[elleng]

21. Ditto

[PatSeg]

60. Yeah, me too

He wasn't exactly my favorite Democrat, but when he changed, it was very unsettling and inexplicable. As time passed, I liked him less and less. His smooth, condescending voice combined with that smirk rubbed me the wrong way. I wonder what Al Gore thought about the change(s) in him.

Apparently, we never really knew who he was.

[NanaCat]

95. He was mad because he considered himself

Entitled to be the newly anointed leader of Democrats, but he didn't bother to ask Democrats if they agreed with that. Most of us hadn't forgotten how he undermined Clinton with his mush-mouth simpering about morals, or how many of us held our noses about that part of the Gore ticket.

Oh--and it was well-known that he was a bag man for the pharmacy and health insurance industries. He was always ready to sell out Americans to get their big lobbying money.

He was always a self-serving wanker that nobody but other self-serving wankers liked.

[malaise]

3. His last political act was attacking Schumer last week

Ah well.

[tanyev]

7. Ah! I knew I'd read about something he'd said recently,

and couldn’t remember what. Thank you.

[malaise]

8. Here

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/27/joe-lieberman-2000-vice-presidential-nominee-obit-033980

[niyad]

93. Thank you. I had forgotten much of his despicable history.

[Rebl2]

11. I missed

that. Why was he attacking Schumer?

[tanyev]

13. From the Politico obit:

Lieberman also remained a firm backer of Israel. Earlier this month, he wrote a column in the Wall Street Journal attacking Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer for saying that Israel needed to replace Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as its leader.

“While Mr. Schumer’s statement undoubtedly pleased American critics of Israel,” he wrote, “for the Israelis it was meaningless, gratuitous and offensive.”

[BonnieJW]

69. My SIL

Is Israeli and he hates what Bibi has done to Israel

[malaise]

14. For Schumer's speech condemning Bibi

[marble falls]

27. A pretty rough attack as I recall.

[dem4decades]

59. Such a shame.

[Sky Jewels]

4. RIP to a true POS, I guess.

No more Joementum. What a shame.

[TheBlackAdder]

75. You shouldn't say anything about the dead unless it's good.

Joe Lieberman's dead. Good.

—Jackie “Moms” Mabley (1894-1975)

[Ray Bruns]

106. Beat me to it.

On that, no great loss was seen.

[Marcus IM]

5. Not to forget he came to Miami in 2000 to cozy up to the most extreme RW "exiles" who will never vote Dem.

I could mention others that still do so, but, I don't want to violate DU's terms.

How Democratic candidates come to Miami with the same hard line BS against Cuba thinking that will get them votes is astounding to me.

I live here. I know the crowd.

[malaise]

9. You nailed it as always

https://edition.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/24/lieberman.cuba/index.html

[FHRRK]

17. He also was leading the charge for moving on after the SC decision

About the 2000 election.

He’s dead, I’m moving on.

[Wounded Bear]

6. I guess I don't hate him, but I don't love him either. RIP nt

[UTUSN]

12. K&R

[Raftergirl]

15. Putting what I wrote on another thread here about Joe...

My dad, an uncle and a first cousin all knew Joe personally and professionally even before he went into politics.

They all said he was always an asshole. My father despised him. And they were/are lifelong Democrats.

[FHRRK]

46. That was my guess about him

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It wasn’t that he changed, it was that he got outed based on being elevated on the National stage.

With that I was shocked at his net worth, at how low it was. I would expect at least 10x that for a person who sold his soul.

So was he truly just a vindictive little fuck or did he route the money to other family members?

I really don’t care either way, but damn how does a person bend over for the insurance companies, make 250k a year for 25 plus years and only have a net worth of just over 3 million.

[Raftergirl]

55. Yep. He didn't change.

My father said he was always a lying piece of 💩.

He was apocalyptic when Al picked him for VP. I had rarely seen him that mad.

[bsiebs]

16. gotta give him credit for dying today... its National Joe Day...

[appmanga]

18. Joe Lieberman was a good friend...

...to the insurance and credit card companies. And that will be all I'll say about the late senator.

[mvd]

25. Also to the defense contractors

I don’t have Trump level hate for him but not mourning this death.

[Sky Jewels]

20. I'll say something nice:

He died before he could cast his vote for Trump in November.

[ColinC]

22. As I said before

He definitely left a legacy

[Sky Jewels]

24. In the same sense that the bubonic plague left a legacy.

[ColinC]

28. That's harsh

What did the bubonic plague do to deserve such a comparison?

[Sky Jewels]

72. ...

[paleotn]

23. Joe Lieberman?

He was the mold from which Joe Manchin was cast. A Dem when it suited his interests, but generally, a pos.

[FHRRK]

48. That was my original thought

But Manchin made a shit ton of money on his activities, dead Joe not anything near the amount.

This is based on quick google searches.

[brooklynite]

26. There was never a majority (absent Lieberman) for a public option...

...and Lieberman kept Reid as Majority Leader whenever Democrats had a majority.

...then there's that pesky Gore VP choice.

[Emile]

32. and after all that conservative Joe flipped to Independent.

[brooklynite]

117. And we don't like Independents?

Bernie Sanders? Angus King?

[Emile]

118. We like some independents. I didn't

know you as a big Bernie fan. Learn something everyday.

[brooklynite]

119. I'm not a fan of any politician. I support those who need support and work with the Democratic Caucus.

My wife and I have had dinner with Bernie and Jane.I have nothing against him philosophically...just don't think he accomplishes that much.

With respect to Lieberman however, all three Independents supported Democratic leadership in the Senate and largely supported the policies of Democratic Presidents.

[Voltaire2]

126. We don't like the rat fuckers.

[All Mixed Up]

37. At the end of the day, Joe Lieberman's last act was actively working to defeat Joe Biden.

Unquestionably - unequivocally. He was working to make Joe Biden a one-term president.

That will be his lasting memory - not whether he supported Reid as Majority Leader 15 years ago.

[KPN]

115. Key words: "absent Joe Lieberman". Lipstick on a pig.

Sum things up, and Joe Lieberman was an asshole and cared not about the average American. He was a self-serving opportunist who was a Democrat because it got him elected - until it didn’t.

[KPN]

120. Ummm ... from an Obama stsffer ...

[link:https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100218815420|

[elleng]

29. Thanks, all, for posting such 'interesting' bits about former senator lieberman.

[Evolve Dammit]

30. Lost all respect 20 years ago. Gore made a poor choice for VP IMHO

[Jarqui]

31. I won't forget

I'll bite my tongue

[Mr.Bill]

33. If you can't say something good about the dead...

sit here next to me.

[TeamProg]

34. No tears for him, but I HAVE LOTS OF LABELS !! nt

[LuvLoogie]

35. I mean did Al eve ask Lawton Chiles or Evan Bayh?

Joe Lieberman? From Connecticut?

[OAITW r.2.0]

36. After 2000, I never paid much attention to him I never got why Gore chose him in the 1st place.

[Cha]

45. It was thought

By many that he was chosen because of the Clinton scandal that JL would help counteract it because he was “pious “.

Biggest Mistake!

[FakeNoose]

71. OK ... I never realized that, but it makes sense when you say it

Bill Clinton walked away and left messes in a lot of closets.

[Cha]

77. Yeah, but Al Gore miscalculated

running away from Bill Clinton.

That's what a lot of people said on DU at the time and that made sense to me.

[Sky Jewels]

74. I'm pretty sure the main calculus was that Lieberman

would get the Jewish vote and help Gore win Florida. They knew Florida was key to the election. And then what a clusterfuck that was…

[kairos12]

38. Thank you for posting this.

[bucolic_frolic]

39. He was a mixed bag

Only from what I remember or read over the years. He did some good consumer and environmental things over the decades. I always thought he was not a very good choice for VP. There were real liberals, in Florida, available. He reached so far across the aisle in later years that he was reaching from the opposite side. It's fine to compromise when needed, but you need core principles from which to compromise. Straddling the middle is waffling with self-doubt.

[Pototan]

40. As a nation, we're better off without him

Joe Lieberman was a turncoat to his party and detrimental to America following the 2020 election.

I mourn the loss of any human being and feel for his family. After all, I'm sure they loved him. But, as an American during the most trying domestic times since the civil war, I think we are better off without Joe Lieberman.

[All Mixed Up]

41. Don't forget his lobbying to be the FBI director under Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-says-he-may-pick-new-fbi-director-friday-n761716

[electric_blue68]

90. Oh! Didn't know that. Yuck

[samsingh]

42. Agreed

[Cha]

43. Yeah.. and

he dies from a fall

We used to call him Lieman with good reason.

[KT2000]

44. No tears here

Poor choice for VP to begin with as he has not been true to Democratic values and abandons them easily.

My contempt for him occurred during the Democratic Convention when he made his grand entrance while Stephen Hawking was on the stage. He stole the attention and Hawking was left speaking to no one. Lieberman adored the adulation at the time but eventually turned on us.

[no_hypocrisy]

47. As ascribed to the venerable Bette Davis:

“My mother always told me when somebody dies, you should say something good. [Joe Lieberman] is dead. Good.”

Note: Miss David was referring to Joan Crawford.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

49. Two words...

Public option!

[dchill]

50. Don't worry...

You're exactly as respectful as I am.

[D23MIURG23]

51. I just told my wife he died, and she said "who"?

Best response ever.

[AverageOldGuy]

52. Can't figure him out.

Claimed to be a Democrat, acted like everything but.

[All Mixed Up]

53. Sarah Palin has spoken.

Link to tweet

[NonPC]

78. Sarah Who?

Life on the "C" List...

[FHRRK]

84. ROFLMAO!

Glad I will never be "pallin' with Palin"

[mountain grammy]

54. One less vote for the asshole

[Hassler]

56. So long Joementum Loserman

[MOMFUDSKI]

57. He was an obvious opportunist and

an overall pain in the ass.

[RussBLib]

61. Working to elect Traitor Trump?

...he must have lost his mind somewhere along the way.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

[gopiscrap]

62. yeah fuck that bastard

hope that piece of shit rots in hell

[kimbutgar]

63. When I heard he died I was thinking good !

He was a traitorous to our party.

[maxsolomon]

64. Max Baucus didn't have a hand in the Public Option cut?

MFer wasted a whole fucking year in my memory.

[steelyboo]

66. The only thing I will miss about Joe Lieberman is Jon Stewart's "Droopy Dog as Joe" impression/voice

https://www.cc.com/video/pmnobc/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-does-that-get-me-fired-lieberman-stevens

[d_b]

67. The Democratic Party was such a f'n mess

For SO MANY years. Still a lot of work to do, but holy shit we fielded some sorry-ass mf’ers.

[ffr]

68. I personally feel that Lieberman betrayed America

by siding with the GOP.

[SouthernDem4ever]

70. he sold out his country for money

and now he realized he can't take it with him. Oh well.

[grockri]

73. Something I cannot forgive!

He got rid of the public option, which would have changed so much in Healthcare over time. More folks would have been able to early retire. Others would have saved alot of money.

[Sky Jewels]

80. Not to mention, it would have saved lives.

But that craven motherfucker Lieberman chose getting money from the insurance industry over helping his fellow Americans get preventative and life-saving healthcare. That is mind-boggling evil. I wish I believed in Hell so I could imagine him roasting on a spit like a grocery store chicken, for all eternity.

[pansypoo53219]

76. i have to bury lieberfuckenputz now. darn.

[barbaraann]

79. AND he did not thank me and my husband for our hospitality.

It was a long time ago and I have waited a long time to say something.

[bmichaelh]

81. Public Option and Medicare Age to 55

In addition to blocking the public option he blocked lowering of Medicare age to 55.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/joe-lieberman

[The Roux Comes First]

82. Honestly, There Are Only One or Maybe Two Politicians I Would Prefer to Have Dead

[orleans]

83. so he's dead? oh no!

just kidding.

fuck him. he's been dead to me for years

[H2O Man]

85. Recommended.

I looking through the Journals of Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., that his son published after Arthur's death. I may write up a brief bit about what a shit he was, well before 2008.

Another person's death has never made me happy. But I never have had a positive thought about Lieberman.

[The Wizard]

86. His first Senate campaign was sponsored by conservative

pundit William Buckley. Buckley saw the Republican Lowell Weiker as far too liberal.

[All Mixed Up]

87. Yes. Democrats won the seat but replaced Lowell with a far more conservative senator.

[Earth-shine]

88. On balance, he did not make the world a better place. We are all supposed to do that.

"No one gets to their heaven without a fight." -- Rush, Snakes and Arrows

[airplaneman]

89. Lieberman also stoped Medicare age reduction to 55

I will never forgive him for that. It solidified not being able to retire before 70 for me
~Airplane

[MurrayDelph]

121. And it made a difference in my life savings

as I'd been laid off at 57 (about to celebrate my 71st birthday) and never could find a new job.

[airplaneman]

125. I feel for you - I was well aware that this was going to affect a lot of people in a very negative way.

I personally will never forgive Lieberman for this. It was as if he was incapable of giving a shit about other people.
-Airplane

[dalton99a]

91. Joe Lieberman was a greedy, corrupt, selfish, sadistic, amoral piece of shit.

Al Gore made a big mistake.

[niyad]

94. Honestly? Until I read about him and "no labels" here recently, if I gave

him any thought at all, I thought he had died years ago. And, having read the obit that malaise posted, I am only sorry that he hadn't.

[HandmaidsTaleUntold]

96. Couldn't Stand Him

Maybe if he was a family member. But he wasn’t. He was basically a moderate republican infiltrator.

[GoodRaisin]

98. I remember him and they aren't good memories.

Greed comes to mind when I think of him.

[GreenWave]

101. Such a sad loserman. Joined those who mocked him. Supports worst loserman evah!

[KG]

103. finding the vitriol for old Joe a bit amusing considering

back in the day he had quite the following at DU, there was even a Joe Liberman forum that quietly diappeared.

[lark]

105. Zero respect for Liarman!

Some folks are just net negatives in the world and he is one of those types.

[Mysterian]

107. Yep, he was a piece of shit

No doubt about it.

[BlueMTexpat]

108. NO respect for this POS

from ME! EVER!

[MadMike47]

110. Sorry, but I'm all out of shits to give about that guy.

[MurrayDelph]

122. Maybe so, but if I ever find myself at his grave

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I plan on drinking a lot of water first.

[Martin68]

111. Lieberman was a traitor to the Democratic Party, and all Democratic voters.

[lindysalsagal]

113. Lieberman was Mat Gaetz before mat Gaetz. Anything for relevancy.

Just like RFK. Just like Qanon or flat-earthers. Some egos overpower their owners' brains.

[LisaM]

114. Lieberman tried to defeat Al Gore in 2000.

It's hard for me to move past how Lieberman chimed in about counting late (military) votes in Florida in 2000. Then, when he lost his Democratic Senate primary run a few years later, he wouldn't concede defeat and ran as an Independent.

After that, I always felt that he was far more concerned with his own narcissism than my vote for president in 2000. He fought harder for himself than for the country.

[budkin]

116. Hope he rots tbh

Selfish piece of shit.

[Hamlette]

123. it goes way back with Lieberman. Let's talk Cuba.

When he ran for Senate the first time he did so to defeat a liberal republican in 1988 (yes, they did exist and he was more liberal than Lieberman). His name was Lowell Weicker and one of his big platforms was to normalize relations with Cuba. That was the issue of the campaign and Lieberman got the votes of conservative Republicans winning by just 10K votes.

No, I will never forget. I like Weicker. This was a time when there really were good people on both sides. Lieberman was not one of them.

[agingdem]

127. to paraphrase Bette Davis when she learned of Joan Crawford's death...

"You should never say anything bad about the dead, only good...Joe Lieberman is dead...good"

[CanonRay]

128. I'm not respectful

He was a opportunistic asshole without a shred of core values.

[Seasider]

129. Probably Al Gore's Biggest Mistake in 2000

Was picking Lieberman as his running mate. He didn’t add anything to the ticket. And then he proceeded to sabotage Gore’s recount efforts by being in favor of military ballots not properly postmarked.

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