Question on the E.J. Carroll rape hearing

[bluestarone]

Why doesn't TFG have to wear a sex offenders bracelet?

[getagrip_already]

1. Unfortunately, it was a civil trial, not criminal...

And while that isn't much of a distinction to victims, it is to the sex offender notification acts.

Sad.

[bluestarone]

4. So, no chance that he could be charged

Criminally,ever?

[getagrip_already]

9. For that? Waaaay past statute of limitations

She was an adult when he raped her, so the statute of limitations applies.

She was only able to sue him civil because nys passed a one year exception to allow rape victims to bring civil suits beyond the statute of limitations. He also defamed her.

But criminal charges for that rape can't be brought.

Now if a woman who was a minor when she was raped comes forward with credible evidence, he could be charged since I don't believe there is a sol for child rape.

[bluestarone]

11. TY. yea past time.

[mysteryowl]

2. OOOhhh good question

Maybe because it was a civil judgement vs criminal?

[Bev54]

3. The trial was a civil trial for defamation, not rape. Though it had to be determined that he did rape her

for there to be defamation.

[bluestarone]

6. Yea, that's what i mean i did hear the judge said he WAS guilty of rape.

I do understand now that it was civil, not criminal. TY

[Ocelot II]

10. "Guilt" is a term in criminal law. It isn't used in civil litigation and the judge didn't use it.

If you lose a civil trial you are liable for damages. If you lose a criminal trial you are guilty of a crime. The judge in the Carroll case did not say Trump was guilty of rape, since that would mean he had been convicted of the crime of rape, which he wasn't. What the judge said was that Carroll told the truth when she said Trump had raped her, and that the common understanding of the word "rape" is broader than the narrow definition under New York law. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0.pdf

[bluestarone]

15. Well, at the very least

I'm very happy he LOST! He deserves PRISON, but that's the way it goes, i guess.

[getagrip_already]

12. Actually, he was charged with rape...

It was one of the charges, it just wasn't proven because of the definition used in nys.

This was allowable because nys passed a bill allowing past victims of rape to bring civil charges against their abusers for 1 year, even if the crime was beyond the statute of limitations criminally.

He was found responsible of sexual abuse however, which was also charged.

[Bev54]

16. Firstly he was not charged with rape, it was a civil trial so there were no "charges" by any law enforcement

He was accused of and found liable for.

[getagrip_already]

19. Poorly worded... he was accused by her.. charged if you will

This is how she did it...

However, New York state enacted a law in November of last year that allows individuals to file lawsuits against alleged sexual abusers, even if the abuse occurred decades ago.

She sued him for rape and sexual battery, in addition to defamation.

The jury found in her favor on the second two, but because had such a sorry little penis, carrol couldn't tell if it was his stubby little finger or penis in her. Nys only defines rape as being by penis penetration.

[Bev54]

20. I am sure that is the part that bothers Trump the most, is that she couldn't tell his penis apart from a

pinky finger. I am sure being accused of rape, he probably thinks it makes him look tough, a man, he is so demented, but he does not want people to think he has a tiny penis, it doesn't fit his idea of himself, much like his lack of wealth that is being exposed now.

[Ocelot II]

17. He wasn't charged, he was sued.

"Charged" is a criminal law term; it means accused of a crime. The statute of limitations had run on the crime of rape so he couldn't be charged by the state. He had to be sued by a private party in a civil case.

[Ocelot II]

5. It was a civil trial. He was never criminally convicted as a sex offender.

[bluestarone]

7. TY!

[Old Crank]

8. If there was a God,

He would be wearing a neck collar with the word rapist flashing all the time.

[bluestarone]

14. You got that right!

IF there is an under aged girl out there, wish she would come forward and put this nasty monster where he belongs.

[TSExile]

13. A stupid thing called statute of limitations...

...is why he was never criminally charged. Why there is even such a thing as statute of limitations for sex crimes is an abomination against humanity. There's no statute of limitations for murder, and I would tell lawmakers that a sexual assault is a murder of the soul. Your body is physically alive, but your soul has been murdered. The man who violated me is, as far as I know, living in the same house where he coerced me and is living his best life - free as a bird. E. Jean Carroll’s violator ascended to the highest office in our country and is still walking free.

Maybe if more women were in office - NOT the ilk of Nancy Mace and Katie Britt - the Grand Old Patriarchy in this country could be taken down and we'd have REAL reform in this country. Alas, but real change seems to be nothing but a pipe dream.

[hlthe2b]

18. He wasn't tried criminally.