He'll never spend a moment in prison.

[Cyrano]

It's become obvious that America's judicial system is as incapable as the rest of our government to deal with Him.

Seems that His greatest talent is finding ways around the rules that govern America, and to which we are all answerable.

Even if He loses November's election, the multiple courtroom dramas will continue to limp along. And even if He's found guilty of some of the charges against him, the judges will probably find it "unseemly" to jail an ex president, and end up sentencing Him to a term in Mar-a-Lago with an ankle bracelet.

But my greatest fear is that He will "win/steal it" in November. All the trials will become moot as we would be then be living in "Putin Land.." America as we know it would cease to exist and we would become one more country led by a dictator (who is more insane than all those who currently exist).

How do we stop this latter scenario that would redefine all world relationships? Wish I had the answer.

But back to the point of this post. He will never spend a moment in prison.

[niyad]

1. STROKE OUT ALREADY, you F'n, demented, murdering, orange, RAPIST, TRAITOR**!!!

[Cyrano]

2. niyad, for your own well-being, take a Valium.

And also, hold onto the hope that I'm wrong, and He will end up in a dungeon.

[marble falls]

9. For your own, take an euphoriant. He's going to jail.

[angrychair]

58. As I've already said

Here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218779921

Trump will likely never see a day in jail. The justice system just isn't made for people with this kind of money/power. He will drag this out for years. I find it likely he will drag this out for decades or more.
Nothing has even made it past the very preliminary stages much less to trial.

[samplegirl]

76. This pig is teflon

No Suppreme court judge will allow him see bars!

[TSExile]

20. What niyad said.

[lame54]

23. Wow. That's pretty harsh...

They have a right to their OP

[niyad]

25. You do realize my comment was not a reference to the poster?

[lame54]

26. You do realize that...

The sarcasm tag shows I completely understand that

[niyad]

50. Yes, of course.

[Deuxcents]

28. I agree, niyad. I wake up everyday hoping his demise has happened and NO, I'm not sorry

[niyad]

52. Not even one teeeeeeny tiny little bit!!! I keep a bottle of bubbly chilled

for that happy day.

[MFM008]

82. Me to

I check the news to see if he dropped dead.... one way or another....

[Ferrets are Cool]

62. While making fun of President Biden's stutter.

If there was a god, it would happen just like this.

[niyad]

64. Ooooooohhhhhhh, I like that. A nice, added touch! I am, at this moment,

imagining it with great delight.

[Faux pas]

67. I wake up every morning

asking if he's dead yet my dear niyad.

[niyad]

70. One of the very first things I do, even before feeding my kitty, is to check

the news, hoping I will have cause to celebrate!

[Faux pas]

75. Lol

my Kitty Boy doesn't eat before I check for the good news.

[AllaN01Bear]

3. never had any consenquences in his life.

[RussBLib]

29. we don't really know that

....we do know he has not served any jail time, but there could be other situations where he got justifiably fucked over by someone or something. Obviously, that is not something that the orange chump would fess up to. He's never going to reveal where he got "beat" by anyone or anything. That would be beneath his crusty narcissistic shell.

Not trying to make any excuses for the orange pig.

[Kali]

30. other than the big one

that he will never measure up or receive daddy's love. we are ALL suffering for that, even him.

[dem4decades]

4. I think many are waking up to the fact that America ain't that great.

Unless you're rich enough to run things.

[brush]

40. What country would you rather live in than America?

The nordic countries? Too cold. Good social safety net though.

Canada? See above.

The UK? Ok, national healthcare is a plus.

Germany? Ok also. Pick 'em between Germany and the UK.

France? Wouldn't mind, they've recently codified abortion rights.

Italy? No, leaning right. Good food though.

Spain? I dunno, could go right.

Japan? Everything is so expensive.

Poland? No, too close to Putin's invaders.

Netherlands? Maybe, have to look into that "Black Pete" thing.

Carribean nations? Good weather when no hurricanes. High income disparities.

Mexico? No, too much narco-terrorism.

Brazil? No, nice place to visit but a lot of poverty and probably 40 years behind us
on civil rights.

Argentina? Not enough information. Old nazis?

Nigeria? No, too many "royal scammers" offering to send you millions if you just give them your bank account info. This is mostly tongue-in-cheek.

Israel? No, too many wars.

Middle East nations? See above.

Russia? Hell no. Others may differ — Tucker Carlson, Edward Snowden.

Ukraine? No. War.

China? No. Economy is bad.

Taiwan? No. Too close to China.

Australia? No. Too similar to America but different.

India? I dunno, a democracy, I think, but that "cast" thing.

South Africa? Mandela is a personal hero of mine, but no. Apartheid and its legacy too close in recent past (see Elon Musk).

Ok, that's enough. I think I'll stay here, pending the result of the November election of course.

[Celerity]

60. atm here are some

Sweden (I live there, in Stockholm)

UK (I grew up in London, the big issues are Brexit impacts and the fucking Tories)

Canada (mainly Vancouver, which has a very mild climate and a superb standard of living)

Denmark (Copenhagen, which has a fairly mild climate as well)

Norway (Oslo area mainly)

Switzerland (multiple cities, including Lausanne, Geneva, Zürich, and the Paradiso/Lugano area)

New Zealand (especially Auckland, love the Grey Lynn/Ponsonby area)

Australia (many parts of Melbourne (St Kilda especially) and Sydney)

Belgium (especially Antwerp and Brussels)

The Netherlands (Rotterdam and Amsterdam especially)

Italy (Milano and Roma)

France (Paris, especially the Le Marais neigbourhood)

Monaco (££££££ though)

Germany (multiple cities, Berlin, of course, plus Hamburg, Düsseldorf, Köln, München, etc)

Portugal (Lisboa and Porto mainly)

Austria (Vienna is a wonderful place to live)

Luxembourg (extremely high standard of living)

Spain (Barcelona, Madrid, San Sebastián, and Bilbao, with Vigo, in Galicia, as a hidden gem)


I lived in Hong Kong (Victoria Peak) for a spell as a young child, but China has made it too risky.

Singapore is too authoritarian.

[Ferrets are Cool]

63. Nice list

[brush]

68. You've certainly gotten around. I like your comments on the countries.

To me the Nordic countries have the most robust social networks, wish the US had them.

I've been to many of the nations on my list, but I always come back to the American southwest so cold weather is out for me.

I still envy the Nordic countries' social networks.

[flying_wahini]

79. New Zealand is pretty great, gotta say.

[republianmushroom]

5. Agree

37 months and counting

[Traildogbob]

6. Fuck prison

I want him underground under Ivana, with a porta John on top at that golf course, with a huge hole in the John that deposits all contents on them both.
Prison would only keep wasting tax dollars on him. And he would probably continue to get his pension while there, further enriching Melania.
Of course no violence, appropriately taken out by Covid. Maybe some measles and a touch of Ebola.

[ScratchCat]

7. He isn't "getting out of" the documents charges

I know some people wont believe this, but its true. He has no legal defense. There is no legal basis to dismiss the case and it will be reinstated by the 11th Circuit if Cannon tries such action. There is also a good chance they have held back additional charges from Bedminster which are in a different Federal district unfriendly to Trump. He will be convicted, and he will be sentenced to some sort of secure military facility for some sort of "house arrest".

Unless you think there was actually "massive fraud" in 2020 in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona and Wisconsin, Biden is easily re-elected with Georgia being the only State likely to change in 2024. The ridiculous media trying to portray a "two horse race down to the wire" notwithstanding.

[0rganism]

41. That entirely depends on the loyalties of one judge Cannon

So far she's shown considerable deference to team Trump. She can use the scheduling of this important federal case to interfere with any concurrent prosecution for various other charges.

By dismissing the defense motion about vagueness of the espionage act "without prejudice", she's left open the possibility that it comes up again. If that "again" happens after the jury is seated, she can grant the motion and throw out the case and Trump walks free. Prosecutor can't appeal due to double jeopardy restrictions. Not saying this is necessarily how it will play out, but it is a tactic that remains available to the Trumpistas.

Letting judge Cannon squat on this case has turned out to be a terrible mistake. I'm not sure what possible approaches were available to remove her before this, but it's probably too late now. We can only hope she feels at least as much loyalty to the nation she inhabits as she does to the president who appointed her to her current position. I am not optimistic.

[Mysterian]

8. Why are we seeing so many of these negative posts?

I can't imagine why.

[Paladin]

13. Not just "negative." I'm starting to see GRUDGING ADMIRATION FOR TRUMP in some DU posts.

Makes me want to puke.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

16. Obvious trolls have been obvious for years NT

[MorbidButterflyTat]

38. For instance,

something like, He is an evil genius? Really sooper dooper smart? We underestimate Him at our peril? Blah blah, blah blah blah.

[betsuni]

51. I want to scream at the sight of the word "complacent" -- very popular 2016 buzzword.

Seeing "evil genius" makes me wonder if Michael Moore is recycling that again too.

[Paladin]

53. Exactly. (nt)

[Cyrano]

15. These "negative posts" are statements of today's reality.

[ramen]

39. I'm all ears if you have a positive spin on this situation.

The chance of the guy from before encountering any accountability at all does look pretty bleak from here.

[ismnotwasm]

10. He will be tied up in court cases for the rest of his life. There is no end in sight

No, I don’t see prison time. I do believe His days of unscrutinized free wheeling are over.

[usonian]

11. You have no influence over the judicial system, but you and I can get out the vote.

We are the judge and jury in this matter.

We beat all the rigging they tried against Joe.

We can and must do it again and again. Hitler went to prison and left it to take power.

We will change the story, and replace crony judges with honorable and just people.

[Cyrano]

17. His minions are doing everything they can to

rig the next election. "Cleaning" voting lists, making sure of a minimal amount of polling places in minority districts, hacking electronic voting machines, and so, so much more that we don't yet know about.

We're playing by the "rules." They're not. If this thing is just "close enough," they'll have rigged the Electoral College for Him.

[usonian]

45. Our Attorney General is busy with ransomware and bitcoin theft.

And a little of defending voting rights.

Needs some fire under his feet or applied to his nonpartisan ass or just declare allegiance to the orange Fuhrer.

It's his job to do or not.

[Beachnutt]

54. We will remember

come ROEVEMBER...

[Ex Lurker]

12. Don't really care as long as he's no longer able to influence public policy NT

[niyad]

66. as long as he is breathing, his cult will listen to every word.

[hlthe2b]

14. Well, look at it this way... The malignant narcissist's true prison is the one voiced by the

"self-talk" in his mind--the sense of failure and insecurities that come from being exposed. He's getting quite a load of that lately, even though he continues to lie to himself (most but not all of the time) and others

[Emile]

18. Justice would have him sitting in jail until his trial.

[Cyrano]

19. Justice is for the Have Nots. The Haves don't have to worry about it.

Sorry to sound so cynical, but after Nixon's pardon, all of Reagan's Iran/Contra thugs not being held responsible, Cheney and George W. lying us into a war with Iraq, and so much more in the Trump regime, why would you think that "Justice" exists in America?

[PufPuf23]

81. Exactly. Hard to be optimistic, if one is old and has paid attention.

The legal system for the rich, famous, and connected looks like a job program and entertainment business that does not ever get to the destination, just churn, churn, churn. Sucks everyone else dry including emotions and faith.

[Ping Tung]

21. I don't hate Trump. Unless you consider having utter contempt tio be hate.

He is still trying to be a somebody who only gets applause and is stuck with the terror of people seeing him as he is. A cowardly loser in every aspect of life who only attracts other losers who yearn to be a somebody but only see themselves as victims.

Will he go to prison? I think the odds are good that he will. But, in either case he can't escape his worst enemy being with him always.

[maxsolomon]

22. No, he won't.

But he will have to pay E Jean Carroll - he's posted the bond to appeal, and he'll lose, whereupon she gets the money.

Hopefully he winds up buried where all of us can seek relief.

[niyad]

65. Whoever put up the collateral, because we know damned well it was

not his money or properties.

[Earth-shine]

24. He won't see jail, but he'll never have a moment of peace. There will always be another court case to worry about.

[brush]

27. The only way he avoids jail is to win the election. By GOTV we can...

make sure the crooked MFer does go to prison.

And my money is on Joe Biden, even though he's been poorly served by his AG.

[Model35mech]

33. IMO John Roberts will protect him from prison and the U.S. from Civil War.

I recognize each of us is free to have our own opinion about that.

Elected officials on the radical right are already calling for the deaths of Dem leaders, the GOP base doesn't need a whole lot of encouragement to try to take states in addition to Texas and Florida to secessional extremis.

[brush]

42. If he doesn't win the election and doesn't go to jail...

get you bags packed because there will be much civil unrest.

I don't think there are enough wingers to save his criminal ass from jail. They may try though, and then what's the use of staying here...a country with a great Constitution but doesn't live by it.

[Model35mech]

43. Yes, but if he's blocked from running it will be very dark times

There doesn't seem an easy path to peaceful outcome of this election cycle.

[brush]

49. SCOTUS already ruled he can't be blocked from ballots.

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That's no longer an issue, though Judge Luttig, Lawrence Tribe, myself and others disagree.

Keep you bags packed just in case because when he loses, there will be civil unrest as the losers wll again say the election was rigged.

[Model35mech]

71. Yes, I was thinking about convictions.

The 14th amendment isn't gone, it's just not a tool that the individual states can use.

Congress will still have to certify him... and we live in too interesting of times.

[GiqueCee]

31. Just wondering...

... why you have capitalized He, Him, and His. Trump is not a deity by any stretch of the imagination, and certainly not worthy of any sort of honorific. Hey! Maybe we can dream up some new guttural, gagging pronoun to define his evil ass.

[brush]

44. Agreed. Evil ass is good. Crooked MFer works too...

as does dementia addled asshole. There are many other appropriate ones.

[niyad]

77. A most excellent question. I not only do not capitalize anything to do

with him, except for RAPIST, and TRAITOR**, I do not capitalize anything/anybody having to do with with rwnj part of our world.

[Joinfortmill]

32. Yup, it's a mess. Our job is to vote. All of us.

As for accountability. You are likely correct, but I have hope. For one thing Joe Biden hates him. Because of that, I think work is going on behind the scenes we don't yet know about.

And then there's the stress he's under. It's a terrible thing, stress. It kills ya. Just saying, folks.

It's gonna be up to us. VOTE

[TheKentuckian]

72. Fuck his "stress", he has nothing on regular people

trying to scramble to keep a roof over their heads much less the probably millions that are not able to manage even that.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

34. Why are you

capitalizing "He" and "His" and "Him"? Pronouns aren't capitalized, and the only time I've ever seen that was referring to Jesus.

[calimary]

37. Yeah. That's a habit of mine now, too. NOT capitalizing his damn name!

The same damn name he plasters onto the picture ANYWHERE he can find a good excuse to. Like a big dog peeing everywhere to mark his territory.

[calimary]

35. Fuck it. I will never spend a moment NOT fighting him.

Anywhere, anyhow, any way.

[moondust]

36. No telling how far he will go

to get into the WH so he can cancel the legal proceedings against him, keep his money and properties, and stay out of prison. That's one hell of a lot of motive to do whatever he and his gang believe is necessary.

[brush]

47. There are millions with opposite motives to make the MFer pay for his treason and coup attempt.

[bigtree]

46. **** exact same poster: 'Trump will never be indicted'

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Cyrano - Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:11 PM


Will a former president ever be indicted as a criminal?

Not in today's America. Given our history, it's hard to say "Yes."



https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216561657

[TxGuitar]

48. As long as he spends the rest of his miserable life

in court, filing motions, hiring attorneys, getting fined, etc etc so that he doesn't know a moment's peace ever that's fine with me because that's probably the best we're going to get. He might be a nasty fascist but the rest of the donor class is as well so he'll be treated like them.

[rso]

55. RSO

That’s ok as long as he does not spend an additional day in the WH.

[OnDoutside]

56. Yep I said that from the start, having seen it elsewhere.

The "ship of state" don't want to see a President go to jail because of the shame attached to it. They would prefer if he did the decent thing and just died.

[ecstatic]

57. We have to stop him. Or we're going to lose so many people

Can you imagine the names on trumpler's Day One hit list?

We need to pivot our focus onto magats/election deniers in state election offices. Invest time and energy into helping Marc Elias, Stacey Abrams and others who are fighting for voting rights.

[elocs]

59. Yes, the honest, true, and unfair truth is that Trump will never spend a moment incarcerated.

As deserving as Trump is to be in jail or prison, this country is not ready to put an ex-president behind bars, making us a banana republic. Reality may suck, but it is what it is.

[lees1975]

61. I really hate to agree, but the complications built into our justice system to protect powerful people are too big

to overcome. This will go on endlessly, with news reports, lawyers getting rich and judges doing nothing. If we want it to end, we will have to end it at the ballot box, and then, use public pressure to bring it to a close and send the guy to prison for the rest of his life.

If he thinks he'll lose, he'll skip the country.

[Initech]

69. What's keeping him from going to prison?

It's the right wing "powers" (fuckheads) that be - Fox, AM radio, megachurches, the NRA, the Federalist Society, TPUSA, the Daily Caller, Infowars, the Heritage Foundation, the list goes on and on. If we are to make any real progress in this country, we have to realize that the right wing echo chamber is an existential threat to this country.

[brooklynite]

73. How specifically are they keeping him from going to prison?

Which legal rights of a defendant are you willing to eliminate for everyone in order to ensure Trump goes tormorison?

[brooklynite]

74. The armchair judges in our midst have been watching too many episodes of LAW & ORDER.

Trials take more than 44 minutes.

[flying_wahini]

78. I think and hope that you are wrong.

The ONLY choice in the judicial system is to send him to lock up. It’s the right thing to do.
Yes, the Repugs are hoping they can guilt the powers that be into taking it easy on him but he is a traitor and deserves it.
We won’t be rid of him until they do.

We need an upgrade on our SCOTUS and Judge Cannon in order to do just that.

[DiverDave]

80. If he is found

Guilty and is facing jail, he will go to Hungery. I'm sure that was discussed.
Or 'ol pooty-poot will take him in.
But, yeah, I agree he will never go to prison