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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2024/03/emergency-services-rush-to-auckland-airport-after-major-medical-incident-on-flight-from-sydney.htmlThis is truly horrific. The instrumentation was lost for 20-30 seconds and then came back, but that still doesn't explain a nose dive. People hit the roof of the plane and then were stuck there for more than a few seconds.
Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)Which would you want to ride in now?
peacebuzzard
(5,195 posts)Cars and the assholes who drive them many times leave me shook up.
Plane rides? I don't even think about it. I just board and ride (and many times nap right though it and I will be at destination shortly).
Emile
(23,490 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,420 posts)These are some of the most complex machines ever built. They are developed and assembled in meticulous and systemic ways that are supposed to allow traceability up and down the process. It's all process driven, there is so much process around everything. If process is lacking or not being followed, defects get into the systems.
With increased complexity comes increased process. The FAA is constantly updating regulations and the industry is responding with updated and more robust process. If there is something wrong with Boeing's process that is introducing defects into their products, it's not going to be easy to identify and then fix.
Initech
(100,213 posts)It's another problem that can be attributed to some greedy ass shareholders. And they can go get royally fucked.
Liberal In Texas
(13,664 posts)unless I have to go to the head or something. It's just a good idea.
marble falls
(58,116 posts)EX500rider
(10,903 posts)The 787 has been in service since 2011 with over 1,100 planes sold with zero fatalities and no hull losses to date.
marble falls
(58,116 posts)...If it's maintenance, why has Boeing allowed it's certifying schooling turn out so many deficient technicians? Nothing wrong with a little stand down - the Navy and the Air Force do it when it needs to address deficient system failures.
This history is more than coincidence.
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EX500rider
(10,903 posts)I don't think they have had any hull loses since the 2 -737MAX incidents, the 1st one was 6 years ago and the second one had a lot of pilot error involved, the Co-Pilot on the Ethiopian Airlines 737 only had 361 flight hours with only 207 hours on the 737 and would not have been in the right seat in a 1st world airline.
According to the NTSB report:
Appropriate crew management of the event, per the procedures that existed at the time, would have allowed the crew to recover the airplane even when faced with the uncommanded nose-down inputs.
why has Boeing allowed it's certifying schooling turn out so many deficient technicians?
You think a South American airline like LATAM has all their maintenance people trained by Boeing in the US?
And even if they did Boeing has no control over what they do back in South America or if they cut corners or let unqualified personnel help work on their planes.
mopinko
(70,533 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,977 posts)SoFlaBro
(2,126 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,527 posts)SoFlaBro
(2,126 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,527 posts)Nothing is completely risk free, of course, but the stats don't lie.
I've been involved in aerospace for 40 years now. It has gotten steadily safer even since I began my career, and even then, it was MUCH safer than it was in the previous decades.
I mean it's a cliche these days, but driving in a car is an order of magnitude more dangerous.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
SoFlaBro
(2,126 posts)Initech
(100,213 posts)In short... fuck the shareholders and their ill-gotten gains.
Cha
(298,568 posts)Glad they survived!
Kid Berwyn
(15,322 posts)The 787 is state of the art. Maybe cost-savings should come after avionics, certainly after safety.
LiberalFighter
(51,704 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,688 posts)...I'm not clear on whether it was actually a nose dive as the headline suggests.
Could be the article mentions only "sudden drop". That could be a flat drop, which I've experienced (though pretty sure this case was far more intense.) Scary as heck, but I don't recall anyone getting hurt. Maybe someone did, I just don't remember it, or didn't see it.
Pilot told us it was a "dead air" event where lift just went away.
Sure doesn't sound like that's what happened here.