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In that way, they are in control of their coming demise.
The Americans Who Need Chaos
Theyre embracing nihilism and upending politics.
By Derek Thompson
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Several years ago, the political scientist Michael Bang Petersen, who is based in Denmark, wanted to understand why people share conspiracy theories on the Internet. He and other researchers designed a study that involved showing American participants blatantly false stories about Democratic and Republican politicians, such as Bernie Sanders, Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump. The subjects were asked: Would you share these stories online?
https://archive.is/KasS4
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/need-for-chaos-politicsl-science-concept/677536/
sop
(11,078 posts)I think they burned the book with the definition of "nihilism."
cilla4progress
(25,444 posts)isn't paywalled?
orleans
(34,582 posts)no paywall
https://archive.is/KasS4
your link says to sign in or start a free trial
DownriverDem
(6,479 posts)The link works just fine.
cilla4progress
(25,444 posts)Will do.
cilla4progress
(25,444 posts)What are they?
Thanks!
orleans
(34,582 posts)or archive.today
in the box and hit save.
the site saves the article or archives it, and puts up a readable page.
cilla4progress
(25,444 posts)This is a workaround to paid subscriptions?
orleans
(34,582 posts)it's to archive the articles
andym
(5,561 posts)"But Trumps chaos vibes might fulfill a significant and otherwise unmet demand in the electorate. In the conclusion to their paper, Petersen and his co-authors write that the need for chaos emerges from the interplay between dominance-oriented traits (i.e., a preference for traditional social hierarchies), feelings of marginalization, and intense anger toward elites. Together, these traits would seem to apply to several voting groups: white conservative men nostalgic for a diminished patriarchy; independents who are furious about elite institutional failures during and after the pandemic; and culturally conservative, nonwhite Americans, especially men, who might feel marginalized by racism and economic inequality but also rue the latest waves of #MeToo feminism. Indeed, all of these groups are shifting toward the Republican Party under Trump."
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"You can think of need for chaos, in a way, like flipping the [chess] board over at a societal level, Petersen said when I shared this deep story with him on the phone. This is a status-seeking strategy of last resort. A person feels stuck and wants to have recognition, but he feels that he cannot be recognized or valued in the current system of cultural norms, rules, and power. And so, to solve that problem, he says: Lets tear it all down.
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"If the need for chaos helps explain the mess were in, it might also offer the Trumpist opposition a clearer plan for wooing some (but certainly not all) voters back to normalcy. The need for chaos is rooted in peoples feelings about status, power, and control. For example, independents with culturally conservative instincts might feel that progressive ideaswhat some call woke politicsweaken their social status, or that COVID policies trampled on their ability to control their daily life. Democrats could emphasize the ways in which their policies and priorities build status, power, and control. Under Biden, pay has increased so much for low-income Americans that its wiped out almost half of the past 40 years rise in income inequality; thats a revitalization of economic status. Energy production is at an all-time high, and the U.S. has never been so energy independent; thats both national and physical power. A right-leaning Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade; now Democrats across the country are fighting to protect abortion rights to restore womens control over their own bodies. The antidote to a new American nihilism is a full-throated defense of American agency."
SarahD
(1,732 posts)"They're nihilists, Dude. They don't believe in anything. They're cowards." (not sure I got that right)
ITAL
(888 posts)I was gonna go with:
Nihilists...fuck me....I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos!
limbicnuminousity
(1,409 posts)But is it nihilism? Or are they acting like spoiled children making ludicrous demands?
andym
(5,561 posts)call it nihilism or individuals just acting like children who are sore losers, it captures a segment of Trump supporters very well. That's one reason Trump brands himself as a winner despite the obvious disconnects from reality
cilla4progress
(25,444 posts)I suspect you do, too.