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cilla4progress

(25,444 posts)
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 04:42 PM Feb 2024

I think of MAGATS as nihilists.

Last edited Sun Feb 25, 2024, 09:50 PM - Edit history (1)

In that way, they are in control of their coming demise.

The Americans Who Need Chaos
They’re embracing nihilism and upending politics.

By Derek Thompson

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Several years ago, the political scientist Michael Bang Petersen, who is based in Denmark, wanted to understand why people share conspiracy theories on the Internet. He and other researchers designed a study that involved showing American participants blatantly false stories about Democratic and Republican politicians, such as Bernie Sanders, Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump. The subjects were asked: Would you share these stories online?

https://archive.is/KasS4


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/need-for-chaos-politicsl-science-concept/677536/

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I think of MAGATS as nihilists. (Original Post) cilla4progress Feb 2024 OP
MAGATs would probably agree if they knew what the word meant. sop Feb 2024 #1
I hope the article cilla4progress Feb 2024 #2
you could put this link in your op orleans Feb 2024 #7
Thank you DownriverDem Feb 2024 #8
Thanks! cilla4progress Feb 2024 #9
I am starting to see these "archive" links for free access... cilla4progress Feb 2024 #11
go to the article you want to read, copy the link (even if you can't read the article) and paste it in orleans Feb 2024 #12
Woah! cilla4progress Feb 2024 #13
oh no no no no no no no orleans Feb 2024 #14
quotes from the article: fight the chaos lovers by promoting American agency andym Feb 2024 #3
From Big Lebowski SarahD Feb 2024 #4
A few hilarious Nihilist quotes in that movie ITAL Feb 2024 #5
Perfect. EarnestPutz Feb 2024 #6
They do seem to want to burn it all down. limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #10
This article is really on to something about MAGAs acting like sore losers andym Feb 2024 #15
I know people like rhis. cilla4progress Feb 2024 #16

sop

(11,078 posts)
1. MAGATs would probably agree if they knew what the word meant.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 04:51 PM
Feb 2024

I think they burned the book with the definition of "nihilism."

orleans

(34,582 posts)
12. go to the article you want to read, copy the link (even if you can't read the article) and paste it in
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 11:59 AM
Feb 2024
https://archive.is
or archive.today

in the box and hit save.

the site saves the article or archives it, and puts up a readable page.



andym

(5,561 posts)
3. quotes from the article: fight the chaos lovers by promoting American agency
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 04:58 PM
Feb 2024

"But Trump’s chaos vibes might fulfill a significant and otherwise unmet demand in the electorate. In the conclusion to their paper, Petersen and his co-authors write that the need for chaos emerges from the interplay between “dominance-oriented” traits (i.e., a preference for traditional social hierarchies), feelings of marginalization, and intense anger toward elites. Together, these traits would seem to apply to several voting groups: white conservative men nostalgic for a diminished patriarchy; independents who are furious about elite institutional failures during and after the pandemic; and culturally conservative, nonwhite Americans, especially men, who might feel marginalized by racism and economic inequality but also rue the latest waves of #MeToo feminism. Indeed, all of these groups are shifting toward the Republican Party under Trump."
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"“You can think of need for chaos, in a way, like flipping the [chess] board over at a societal level,” Petersen said when I shared this deep story with him on the phone. “This is a status-seeking strategy of last resort. A person feels stuck and wants to have recognition, but he feels that he cannot be recognized or valued in the current system of cultural norms, rules, and power. And so, to solve that problem, he says: ‘Let’s tear it all down.’”
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"If the need for chaos helps explain the mess we’re in, it might also offer the Trumpist opposition a clearer plan for wooing some (but certainly not all) voters back to normalcy. The need for chaos is rooted in people’s feelings about status, power, and control. For example, independents with culturally conservative instincts might feel that progressive ideas—what some call “woke” politics—weaken their social status, or that COVID policies trampled on their ability to control their daily life. Democrats could emphasize the ways in which their policies and priorities build status, power, and control. Under Biden, pay has increased so much for low-income Americans that it’s wiped out almost half of the past 40 years’ rise in income inequality; that’s a revitalization of economic status. Energy production is at an all-time high, and the U.S. has never been so energy independent; that’s both national and physical power. A right-leaning Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade; now Democrats across the country are fighting to protect abortion rights to restore women’s control over their own bodies. The antidote to a new American nihilism is a full-throated defense of American agency."

 

SarahD

(1,732 posts)
4. From Big Lebowski
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 05:25 PM
Feb 2024

"They're nihilists, Dude. They don't believe in anything. They're cowards." (not sure I got that right)

ITAL

(888 posts)
5. A few hilarious Nihilist quotes in that movie
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 05:29 PM
Feb 2024

I was gonna go with:


Nihilists...fuck me....I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos!

limbicnuminousity

(1,409 posts)
10. They do seem to want to burn it all down.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 10:07 PM
Feb 2024

But is it nihilism? Or are they acting like spoiled children making ludicrous demands?

andym

(5,561 posts)
15. This article is really on to something about MAGAs acting like sore losers
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 05:13 PM
Feb 2024

call it nihilism or individuals just acting like children who are sore losers, it captures a segment of Trump supporters very well. That's one reason Trump brands himself as a winner despite the obvious disconnects from reality

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