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Tom of Temecula

(1,201 posts)
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:18 AM Feb 21

'We can just tell this guy whatever': How Russian spies fed lies directly to GOP lawmakers

Prosecutors revealed that the so-called whistleblower in the Hunter Biden investigation was feeding disinformation directly from Russian spies to Republican lawmakers. Alexander Smirnov admitted that "officials associated with Russian intelligence" were involved with passing along a story about President Joe Biden's son that became the basis of allegations in the GOP impeachment inquiry, and prosecutors said the former FBI informant was “actively peddling new lies that could impact U.S. elections.”

NBC News reporter Tom Winter told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Wednesday that revelations about the sources for Smirnov's claims were nothing short of stunning.

"I think when you look at this in the totality of what was in the detention memo, which was extraordinary – I mean, prosecutors use these to really put the hammer down and show a bit about what type of evidence they will bring forward," Winter said. "When you look at the filing [Tuesday], they went really deep and unclassifying information, information that was unclassified on Valentine's Day, when Smirnov was arrested, deep into his background, that he was a 10-year-plus source for the FBI."

"He had a handler that he talked to nearly every day, which is a lot, by the way, for somebody who is a confidential human source," Winter added. "[He was] somebody who had been run out of the Seattle field office, assigned to an agent who works in the criminal squad there, and the key line from this, and we'll show a portion of the document that was filed [Tuesday], is that it says during his custodial interview on Feb. 14, so it occurs after Smirnov is in handcuffs, he admitted that officials associated with Russian intelligence were involved in passing a story about business person one who we've publicly identified is Hunter Biden. So he told the FBI after he is in handcuffs, 'Yes, I did this, and it came from individuals associated with Russian intelligence.'"

https://www.rawstory.com/alexander-smirnov/

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'We can just tell this guy whatever': How Russian spies fed lies directly to GOP lawmakers (Original Post) Tom of Temecula Feb 21 OP
Sounds like a sympathetic FBI and GOP starved for confirmation underpants Feb 21 #1
There are sleeper agents here that stay inactive for years, and at the same time there are agents who craft ... marble falls Feb 21 #2
Yeah that's true. underpants Feb 21 #3
'We're gonna need a bigger boat...' Attilatheblond Feb 21 #4
My wife spent 28 years with CIA. We're pretty good at catching them. That's why the few who get away with it ... marble falls Feb 21 #6
Peter Strzok and his team were pretty good at catching them, too Attilatheblond Feb 21 #7
Operation Ghost Stories - fascinating story underpants Feb 21 #11
Peter strzok is one of my few heros. The FBI catches 90%+ of agents ... marble falls Feb 21 #12
FBI Old Okie Feb 21 #16
The CIA is forbidden by law to do "law enforcement" on US soil. The CIA is not a law enforcement agency ... marble falls Feb 21 #19
TSF allegedly outed many of the US sources... Hugin Feb 21 #5
And Dick Cheney never paid for all the damage and lost assets resulting from his outing of Valerie Plame Attilatheblond Feb 21 #8
The bigger problems are the huge pile of classified stuff and the huge number of those with security clearance ... marble falls Feb 21 #14
my late mom said that they, im assuming chinese , russians , saudis , have sleeper cells every where AllaN01Bear Feb 21 #9
We have sleepers from our allies planted here in the US. Sometimes, particularly with the Russians ... marble falls Feb 21 #17
very interesting. have u heard of a russian " MUSICIAN called therimin? AllaN01Bear Feb 21 #20
To take that around a corner, my cat gets angry when I put a youtube of a cat playing theremin ... marble falls Feb 22 #24
lol AllaN01Bear Feb 22 #27
Not drinking koolaid Dear_Prudence Feb 21 #10
True fact: "Smirnov" is Russian for "kool-aid". jaxexpat Feb 21 #13
really? et tu Feb 21 #18
Misunderstanding Dear_Prudence Feb 21 #21
Sorry dear, I thought my rhetoric was absurd enough......... jaxexpat Feb 22 #23
Thanks! Dear_Prudence Feb 22 #26
It's not just GOP lawmakers. I wonder what connections this guy has with conservative media figures? Midnight Writer Feb 21 #15
As Pelosi told Dementia J Loser, all roads lead to Putin. Hassler Feb 21 #22
"Seattle field office" Ok. Let's start there and bring them all in. lindysalsagal Feb 22 #25
how about closing all those supposed " chinesse police stations . AllaN01Bear Feb 22 #28

underpants

(182,883 posts)
1. Sounds like a sympathetic FBI and GOP starved for confirmation
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:27 AM
Feb 21

So Smirnov has been doing this for 10 years and no one ever thought to check into him.

marble falls

(57,246 posts)
2. There are sleeper agents here that stay inactive for years, and at the same time there are agents who craft ...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:49 AM
Feb 21

... every day and what they are looking at is done so slow that it would take huge resources to follow this small fry around for extended time to even catch them. the trick is to find who he reports to and go up the line. He may have been in FBI counter intellegence sights for years as they tried to lock the string of agents down.

There US sources in Moscow who have crafting for years and the FSB knows who a lot of them are. It's all part of the same game.

Hunter Biden just might provide what it takes to expose the relationship between FSB and the GOP.

underpants

(182,883 posts)
3. Yeah that's true.
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:58 AM
Feb 21

Comer and Gym put their trust fully into this guy and the other “star witness” who’s been charged as well.

This could be the lead we need to prove what seems to be perfectly clear - the direct Russian GOP links.

Attilatheblond

(2,212 posts)
4. 'We're gonna need a bigger boat...'
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:10 AM
Feb 21

... er, a bigger staff of investigators!

The problem we have in this country is not just Trump. We have a rather large group working to overthrow our democracy and they know no bounds, evidently.

The McCarthy hunt for communists under every rock in the 50s was a delusion, but it set us up for disregarding signs of dangerous alliances within our body politic. We really need to dive into more investigations and sniff out the traitors. They are out there, in plain sight on Capitol Hill and many state governments.

marble falls

(57,246 posts)
6. My wife spent 28 years with CIA. We're pretty good at catching them. That's why the few who get away with it ...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:21 AM
Feb 21

... are such big news when they are caught. Part of the problem is the HUGE amount amount of secured information and at the same time how many people in this country have a clearance.

Attilatheblond

(2,212 posts)
7. Peter Strzok and his team were pretty good at catching them, too
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:29 AM
Feb 21

And that is why Trump had to try and ruin him, or at least end his FBI Counter-intel roll. Strzok pissed Putin off years ago by busting a big ring a lot like the one portrayed on the TV show, The Americans. But you probably know about that too.

Like Comer and too many other office holders of the GOP, Trump was a very compliant Russian asset. We voters need to pay more attention to the people we put in office. And, agree with you, too many people here have too much access to too much sensitive info. And as long as a president can waive clearance issues for his/her henchmen, it will only get more dangerous.

on edit: to get rid of weird smilie

marble falls

(57,246 posts)
12. Peter strzok is one of my few heros. The FBI catches 90%+ of agents ...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:59 AM
Feb 21

... the CIA is not law enforcement, and CIA has no mandate to perform intelligence operations on US soil. One of my wife's favorite jobs was when she was the liaison with Disney security. One of her duties was to find "cooperative" foreign Disney employees. Plus she got a family pass good all year.

marble falls

(57,246 posts)
19. The CIA is forbidden by law to do "law enforcement" on US soil. The CIA is not a law enforcement agency ...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 12:15 PM
Feb 21

... they can help investigate and release information and evidence to the FBI. But when CIA gets a foreign agent to show up in the US, it's the FBI that puts the cuffs on.

I forgot to add that my wife also found jobs for defectors and their family at Disney.

Hugin

(33,207 posts)
5. TSF allegedly outed many of the US sources...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:18 AM
Feb 21

Via the classified docs he was passing out as party favors in the Oval Office. Somehow, that case has stalled.

Attilatheblond

(2,212 posts)
8. And Dick Cheney never paid for all the damage and lost assets resulting from his outing of Valerie Plame
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:33 AM
Feb 21

Makes it hard for US INTEL to find good assets when our politicians keep meddling and making life more dangerous for people who want to help and understand the concept of duty to something beyond enriching themselves.

We gotta vote smarter.

marble falls

(57,246 posts)
14. The bigger problems are the huge pile of classified stuff and the huge number of those with security clearance ...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 11:57 AM
Feb 21

... I had clearance over "secrets" that just plain were no secret. Some of the information could be found in news papers and photos, that while were not specifically about a specific secret, but offered correlated information that derived the original secret - Sort of like Ford refusing to say how many spokes were on a new models wheels, but then released a photo of the car in a press release where anyone could count spokes if inclined.

Too many secrets, too many clearances.

AllaN01Bear

(18,427 posts)
9. my late mom said that they, im assuming chinese , russians , saudis , have sleeper cells every where
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:40 AM
Feb 21

and they await thte time to be called.

marble falls

(57,246 posts)
17. We have sleepers from our allies planted here in the US. Sometimes, particularly with the Russians ...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 12:08 PM
Feb 21

... and Chinese, state secrets and industrial espionage get mixed.

I've run into Mossad here in Austin. They had a program to get into local businesses around the US with agents selling art. They were 'recruiting' and identifying assets.


https://www.jpost.com › International › Are-Mossad-agents-selling-paintings-in-Utah
Are Mossad agents selling paintings in Utah? - The Jerusalem Post
Are Mossad agents selling paintings in Utah? Local Utah news station reports mysterious salesmen claiming to be Israeli art students asking locals about a new NSA data center. By JPOST.COM...


https://www.haaretz.com › 2002-05-13 › ty-article › spies-or-students › 0000017f-df0f-d3a5-af7f-ffafe38f0000
Spies, or Students? - Haaretz Com - Haaretz.com
WASHINGTON - It could be the biggest espionage scandal of the century, or the greatest journalistic non-starter in many a decade, but it's clear that the story of the Israeli art students in New York - dozens of alleged spies living in the United States - refuses to die down.

https://www.salon.com › 2002 › 05 › 07 › students
The Israeli "art student" mystery | Salon.com
May 7, 2002According to Cameron, some 60 Israeli nationals had been detained in the anti-terrorism/immigrant sweeps in the weeks after Sept. 11, and at least 140 Israelis identified as "art students" had ...

AllaN01Bear

(18,427 posts)
20. very interesting. have u heard of a russian " MUSICIAN called therimin?
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 12:24 PM
Feb 21

he created a electronic musical instrument that was used in many scifi movies . that was the creepy music,
turns out he was russian spy . using his thermin to get into american industry to spy.

marble falls

(57,246 posts)
24. To take that around a corner, my cat gets angry when I put a youtube of a cat playing theremin ...
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 08:47 AM
Feb 22

... doesn't mind humans playing one, but he does not like cats play theremin.

Dear_Prudence

(384 posts)
10. Not drinking koolaid
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 10:54 AM
Feb 21

Smirnoff (the vodka) was founded by a Moscovite named Smirnov. Republicans continue to drink the vodka.

jaxexpat

(6,850 posts)
13. True fact: "Smirnov" is Russian for "kool-aid".
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 11:35 AM
Feb 21

Some things you just can't make up, or shouldn't, anyway.

Disinformation/propaganda works because people are always believing stuff. (and they love to gossip)

Solution? Stop believing stuff, and if that's too hard, at least don't pass it along.

Dear_Prudence

(384 posts)
21. Misunderstanding
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 08:04 PM
Feb 21

I was just trying to point out that some Republicans are swallowing lies perpetrated by Russia, metaphorically imbibing Russian "vodka". I came up with the metaphor because I was curious about the similarity between "Smirnoff" and "Smirnov" and I found a link in the Wikipedia entry for Smirnoff identifying Smirnov as the founder of the distillery. I was not trying to be misleading or controversial in any way, and I wasn't passing on anyone else's idea. Also, "Kool-Aid" is a brand name, so only the holder of the brand could assign a "translation" into Russian or any other language. I don't know how my innocuous post became inflammatory.

jaxexpat

(6,850 posts)
23. Sorry dear, I thought my rhetoric was absurd enough.........
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 05:29 AM
Feb 22

that it would never be taken seriously without a need to tack on the "sarcasm" smiley. I suppose I was wrong about that. It could be that people have been exposed to so much absurdity from here-to-fore serious sources, they've gotten "gun shy". Sort of a social tragedy, really, the end of confidence in institutions book ended by erosion of self-confidence and the acceptance-as-fact of blatant lies. They got us coming and going.

Midnight Writer

(21,803 posts)
15. It's not just GOP lawmakers. I wonder what connections this guy has with conservative media figures?
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 11:59 AM
Feb 21

Hannity, Ingraham, Watters, Levin, and others have been singing the praises of this guy for years.

How much of our media has been buying into Russian disinformation, knowingly or unknowingly?

Major media figures in the bag for Russia, GOP lawmakers collaborating with Russian agents, American citizens being subject to Russian influence peddling. Dangerous stuff. Worse than Watergate.

If our media does not raise a major stink over this, at least as much as they did over other scandals like Watergate, or even Whitewater, than they have no credibility left.

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