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(25,665 posts)
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 07:48 AM Feb 20

Ummm...Hey MSNBC....

While I very much appreciate the coverage of the arrest of this lying pig Smirnov, when you report ancillary stories about him, vilifying him appropriately, can you PLEASE stop showing photos of the Bidens, father and son? Show a photo of the of the individual who was indicted not his victims.

Yes, I know I’m being picky, but running a negative story while showing the Bidens somehow rankles me. Maybe I’m wrong about this but…

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Ummm...Hey MSNBC.... (Original Post) PCIntern Feb 20 OP
Gotta catapult the propaganda EYESORE 9001 Feb 20 #1
You are not wrong. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 20 #2
You're not alone. 2naSalit Feb 20 #3
People are slowly coming around to my way of thinking, gab13by13 Feb 20 #4
Might be why more and more people are cutting the cord. llmart Feb 20 #5
I've cut the cord months ago. 4lbs Feb 20 #17
K&R spanone Feb 20 #6
K&R onecaliberal Feb 20 #7
This is how propaganda works Tesha Feb 20 #8
The old "Guilt-by-Association" two-step. PTL_Mancuso Feb 20 #12
Yes, that's very Fox -like PatSeg Feb 20 #9
MSNBC is owned by NBC Universal which is a subsidiary of Comcast Group. CMCSA is currently trading at $41.24. PatrickforB Feb 20 #10
Thank you for the reminder: Shareholder profits are held above worker and consumer interests and the earth itself. PTL_Mancuso Feb 20 #11
Thank you for this Wild blueberry Feb 20 #14
Our country has largely lost the belief in the public good dlk Feb 20 #16
This should be its own OP. MontanaMama Feb 20 #18
False equivalence as well as a misguided and inappropriate attempt at "balance." Martin68 Feb 20 #13
Years ago my mother-in-law was visiting while Obama was being shown at at Overseas base FHRRK Feb 20 #15
Spot on PC KS Toronado Feb 20 #19
Poster nails it correctly. republianmushroom Feb 20 #20
No, you're not wrong. calimary Feb 20 #21
That's like reporting how wrong the Hurr report is. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 20 #22
I've been saying for at least a couple of years now soldierant Feb 20 #25
Yep. calimary Feb 21 #30
Can't stop themselves angrychair Feb 20 #23
Yay! Thank you for stating this. Duppers Feb 20 #24
You are not alone ffr Feb 20 #26
Good catch, PCI. Their comment lines should be DU'd Hekate Feb 20 #27
He will be targeted by Putin. uberblonde Feb 20 #28
or, alternatively ... krkaufman Feb 21 #29


(26,044 posts)
1. Gotta catapult the propaganda
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 07:53 AM
Feb 20

It’s a crime family, doncha know. Gotta keep reminding everyone how close they are.


(21,527 posts)
4. People are slowly coming around to my way of thinking,
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 08:52 AM
Feb 20

I watched a sliver of cable yesterday because it showed a Liz Cheney interview. Liz Cheney knows how to push the anti-Trump narrative. Few people on cable can compare with her even though her narrative is spot on.

I do not know how people can watch, it would depress me too much.

For the umpteenth time this is what I posted 10 years ago:

Fox News says Obama beats his wife
CNN says it needs more information
MSNBC says no he doesn't.

All 3 networks are talking about the right wing narrative.

Stephanie Miller comes on at 9 AM, Thom Hartmann at noon. Deadline Whitehouse is watchable at 4 PM.


(15,573 posts)
5. Might be why more and more people are cutting the cord.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 09:11 AM
Feb 20

I could never understand why people would pay to watch stuff that unsettles them so much. I haven't had cable for 15 years. I have an antenna on the wall and pay for two streaming services. It costs me $20 a month. I can well afford to have cable, but why on earth would I want to pay to be irritated on a daily basis? My emotional well-being is more important to me than listening to talking heads every day.

I guess it all comes down to the choices we make.


(6,868 posts)
17. I've cut the cord months ago.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 12:18 PM
Feb 20

I pay less monthly for virtually the same service and have additional money at the EOM.

I looked at all the channels and internet service I was getting with cable. The price kept going up. Twice a year in fact. Just a few dollars so one barely noticed, but after a decade, it really added up.

Then I summed up how much monthly I would pay by going to fiber internet (my locale is lucky enough to be one of the places in the country with unlimited high-speed fiber), and using an online service like Hulu+ with LiveTV and/or YouTube TV. It was much cheaper, there was no "two-year" contract, and the pricing was fixed for several years. So I won't really face significant pricing increases until Summer 2026. Also, everything is included in the monthly price quote. No 'hidden fees' or charges where they advertise say, $70 monthly, and then tack on additional taxes and access/service fees so that you are really paying over $100 monthly for that $70 service.

I pay $100 less monthly, and I get triple the internet speed/bandwidth with fiber, and nearly all the channels with BOTH Hulu and YouTube TV. The channels I lose (about 2 or 3) I haven't even accessed in several years, so no big deal for me.

Plus, my ISP HQ is local (only a few miles away) versus my cable company HQ being thousands of miles away.

My cable company is begging for me to come back, but I said, umm.. no. Unless you are going to knock $150 off the monthly price, no way.


(20,860 posts)
8. This is how propaganda works
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 09:38 AM
Feb 20

It’s the subtle use of images with negative comments, and you’re absolutely right.

Less capable folks just absorb the message, those people are their target.



(276 posts)
12. The old "Guilt-by-Association" two-step.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 10:51 AM
Feb 20

Juxtaposing names and pictures and blather to prevent the viewer from ever knowing what is true.

Bernays wrote the book and Goebbels picked it up and ran with it. Luckily we were able to rescue all the concepts for re-use.


(14,610 posts)
10. MSNBC is owned by NBC Universal which is a subsidiary of Comcast Group. CMCSA is currently trading at $41.24.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 10:22 AM
Feb 20
I say this because the fiduciary responsibility of all corporate officers in MSNBC is ONLY to generate shareholder profits. They are literally REQUIRED by the legal precedent of shareholder primacy set by the MI Supreme Court in 1919.

So, for over a hundred years, shareholder profits have literally been king.

Shareholder profits are held above worker and consumer interests and the earth itself.

How this 'fits' with our media is they are NOT beholden to objective reporting of truth. This is why we see so much biased reporting. The bias is not necessarily left or right politically, but it is ALWAYS designed to increase clicks or ratings, which boosts advertising revenue, which in turn keeps shareholder profits coming. Because the fiduciary responsibility of corporate officers in publicly traded companies is always ONLY to generate shareholder profits, not truth in news reporting.

Horserace coverage of the presidential election is an example. Any sane person who follows what is going on through more objective news sources such as the Guardian, NPR, or even Al Jazeera, would be absolutely convinced to vote straight blue and get all these GOP/MAGA traitors out of office. If the real news was reported objectively, the entire system would utterly repudiate MAGA and Trumpism.

I have harped many times about the doctrine of shareholder primacy and how it poisons everything it touches, and I won't belabor it, but think through why we have corporate malfeasance such as the Johnson and Johnson talc, which they left on the shelves though they KNEW it caused ovarian cancer. Think through why we have union busting, unsafe working conditions, and why companies like Amazon and Comcast are now attempting to force workers back to the office because they are uneasy at the empowerment that comes from working from home. No other reason - just the visceral desire to curtail worker power due to a fear that if workers are too empowered they will demand more and it might cause profits per share to go down a couple of cents. And finally think about how this legal doctrine is endangering the habitability of the earth itself.

This 'profits over people' doctrine poisons all it touches, including truth in news. When truth takes a backseat to profits, we have a real problem.

In terms of a solution, it is simple. One little tiny policy change requiring a stakeholder approach to corporate governance would do the trick in so many ways. If Congress legislated and then the president signed legislation requiring publicly traded corporations to hold the interests of workers, consumers (including consumers of media news) and the environment of equal weight with shareholder profits, and then it was ENFORCED, things would look a bit different.

This is why Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 - it was part of the long-term plan for corporations to take over our republic (Lewis Powell 'manifesto' 1971).

Changing the doctrine of shareholder primacy would essentially work as a 21st century Fairness Doctrine.

This is why we have bookbanning, and all the culture wars bullshit, people. Because it is good for profits. Money changes hands. The 'enemy' is essentially Wall Street and libertarian billionaires such as those behind the Supreme Court's current 'conservative' super-majority.

Get rid of the current legal doctrine of shareholder primacy in corporate governance and a whole bunch of seemingly intractable problems will be alleviated straightaway.



(276 posts)
11. Thank you for the reminder: Shareholder profits are held above worker and consumer interests and the earth itself.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 10:45 AM
Feb 20

Have we heard Liz Warren or Jamie Raskin or Bernie Sanders propose legislation to fix this? Is it a foregone conclusion in Congress that it's a loss to pursue it? If that's a dumb question, I apologize as long as someone can say why.

Of, by, for the People? If only!

Wild blueberry

(6,681 posts)
14. Thank you for this
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 11:53 AM
Feb 20

Have always thought we should be able to disincorporate companies when they commit crimes, do harm, and work against the rest of us (human, animal, our planet).
They can keep their corporate charter if they are responsible.
P.S. Also corporations are NOT people as the Court Formerly Known as Supreme seems to think.


(11,609 posts)
16. Our country has largely lost the belief in the public good
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 12:10 PM
Feb 20

Some days it seems like we're the united corporations and not the United States.


(23,370 posts)
18. This should be its own OP.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 01:13 PM
Feb 20

MSNBC is not on “our side”. They have one responsibility and that is to their shareholders. It is no different that your health insurance company. They have no interest in insuring your health or well being…their only interest is making money for their shareholders and executives. Make no mistake about it.


(544 posts)
15. Years ago my mother-in-law was visiting while Obama was being shown at at Overseas base
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 11:55 AM
Feb 20

The typical shots of him in a large gym addressing the troops and then taking and hitting a three pointer. Same results the crowd of soldiers cheering wildly.

She was barely paying attention and stated, 'what are they mad at him about now?'

In her defense, she seemed like she was defending Obama, but her husband had Fox on 24x7 and was programmed by the negativity they pushed.


(81,621 posts)
21. No, you're not wrong.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 03:34 PM
Feb 20

I keep wondering - you guys don’t have ANY photos of Assange? NOTHING??? Seriously??? Nothing in the photo archives? He’s been around FOR YEARS. And all you can do is show photos of Biden & son? WTF???

What’s the message being sent here? Or the agenda?

22. That's like reporting how wrong the Hurr report is.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 04:38 PM
Feb 20

Every time MSNBC talks about Hurr clearly doing a political hit piece when he found Biden had not done anything actionable, the viewer hears "Biden...investigated... old man."

BTW, if you notice the Repugs have only two things to run on, which they keep repeating: (1) Biden is old, and (2) the border is a mess. The truth is: (1) Biden is only two years older than TFG, and (2) the GQP, when they controlled the presidency and the Senate, did squat to solve the problem. Moreover, the Senate just came up with a bipartisan bill which gave the Repugs everything they asked for, and MJ couldn't roll over fast enough to make it "dead on arrival" so T***p would have an issue to run on.

The subtext on the "Biden is old" meme is, "When he dies we'll have a president who is both a woman and colored.*"

*My Mom's word, not mine.


(6,972 posts)
25. I've been saying for at least a couple of years now
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 10:13 PM
Feb 20

"The only issue with Biden's age is that she's black."

Trust me - no one complaining about Biden's age is thinking about Biden's age.


(8,766 posts)
23. Can't stop themselves
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 09:20 PM
Feb 20

The ratfucking never ends with the news media.
I consider all news media and enemy of the state at this point. They have no interest in journalism anymore. Prosperity and peace doesn't sell nearly as much news as chaos, misery and uncertainty.

Our society is screwed.


(1,215 posts)
28. He will be targeted by Putin.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 11:45 PM
Feb 20

We really don't want to make it easier to find him. He can't testify if he's dead.

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