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Nevilledog

(51,877 posts)
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 01:22 PM Feb 2024

Judge Engoron Demands Trump Explain His Accountant's Apparent Lies

https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-demands-trump-explain-his-accountant-allen-weisselbergs-apparent-lies

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Donald Trump’s expected massive loss to the New York Attorney General in his bank fraud case suddenly took a turn for the worse on Tuesday, when lies that his longtime company accountant apparently told on the stand potentially opened the door for an even more devastating multi-million dollar judgment that could destroy the Trump Organization.

In an email to the AG and Trump defense team on Monday, Justice Arthur F. Engoron asked for both sides to respond to the news that former Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg is secretly negotiating a guilty plea with another law enforcement agency: the Manhattan District Attorney.

Last week, The New York Times reported that DA Alvin Bragg Jr. is coming down hard on Weisselberg for lying under oath to the AG’s office in an interview ahead of the three-month civil trial that just wrapped up.

“As the presiding magistrate, the trier of fact, and the judge of credibility, I of course want to know whether Mr. Weisselberg is now changing his tune, and whether he is admitting he lied under oath in my courtroom at this trial,” Engoron wrote.

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Judge Engoron Demands Trump Explain His Accountant's Apparent Lies (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2024 OP
I Like This, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2024 #1
That is one of my favorite quotes, I believe it's Dorothy Parker. She had a way with words Walleye Feb 2024 #6
MOST Excellent quote! calimary Feb 2024 #46
The walls willsoon come crashing down on malaise Feb 2024 #2
Ketchup stained walls. tinrobot Feb 2024 #7
LOL malaise Feb 2024 #8
I hope you're correct chicoescuela Feb 2024 #9
Forget hammers.....sound like Judge E. about to drop the battleship Iowa on Smelvis.... lastlib Feb 2024 #39
Works for me! calimary Feb 2024 #47
None of these criminals ever expected to pay for their crimes redqueen Feb 2024 #3
Yup. Mr. Evil Feb 2024 #24
So this is why the fine amount we expected last wed. was delayed? liberalla Feb 2024 #32
What started as a bad decision Mr.Bill Feb 2024 #49
Destroy this sleazy ass, Engoron. mobeau69 Feb 2024 #4
Good news again! Maeve Feb 2024 #5
The plot thickens... Ocelot II Feb 2024 #10
Why am I thinking of that song "Anticipation" ? eppur_se_muova Feb 2024 #12
Or: Ocelot II Feb 2024 #16
Pation!!! lindysalsagal Feb 2024 #21
Oh yes, I remember that Heinz commercial. Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2024 #31
Getting thicker than moniss Feb 2024 #13
"Don't worry," Trump said, "I can pardon you." MineralMan Feb 2024 #11
Great to see you man malaise Feb 2024 #41
I'm always around. Just not posting much. MineralMan Feb 2024 #57
Trump "They rigged Weissselberg's lying ..." ....nt Jarqui Feb 2024 #14
Y'all know he lied for Trump, otherwise he would have been fired. twodogsbarking Feb 2024 #15
This will be fun to watch LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2024 #17
traitortrump thought each court and case is isolated from the others. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #18
"Coming down hard on the Weasel" SayItLoud Feb 2024 #19
That sounds like a euphemism for something dirty. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2024 #22
Oh my appleannie1 Feb 2024 #20
Oh yeah musclecar6 Feb 2024 #56
Weisselberg's loyalty was always a mystery Johonny Feb 2024 #23
"Things fall apart. The center cannot hold." dchill Feb 2024 #25
"...in my courtroom..." sounds like parent laying down the law on their child underpants Feb 2024 #26
Sounds more like Engoron EndlessWire Feb 2024 #55
TSF is not going to like having to fly back to NYC. ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2024 #27
I want TheSickFuck right there on the stand, perjuring himself with every breath ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #34
happy days ZonkerHarris Feb 2024 #28
Pop Pop Seinan Sensei Feb 2024 #29
(just a friendly hint--you ain't got enough popcorn there!) lastlib Feb 2024 #42
The Accountant! LudwigPastorius Feb 2024 #30
Ha! tavernier Feb 2024 #33
Trump organization? Lunabell Feb 2024 #35
He was paid by Trump to lie. That was the whole point Major Nikon Feb 2024 #36
Was he actually paid by the Grifter-in-Chief? 4lbs Feb 2024 #38
He didn't come to them, he got found out Major Nikon Feb 2024 #40
Time to buy stock in Heinz. Scalded Nun Feb 2024 #37
i really hope this stings . AllaN01Bear Feb 2024 #43
Defense strategy central scrutinizer Feb 2024 #44
it will be interesting to see how the Idiot responds. honest.abe Feb 2024 #45
This will cost Trump way more than $370 million Generic Brad Feb 2024 #48
Judge Engoron wants a response by Wednesday at 5. LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2024 #50
Maybe an extra $100MM on his negative liquid asset balance sheet? OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2024 #51
Engoron is smart to moniss Feb 2024 #52
Is this a civil case Tickle Feb 2024 #53
I think it is a civil case thucythucy Feb 2024 #59
So does the response today moniss Feb 2024 #54
Translation: Did Trump order Weisselberg to lie for him Owens Feb 2024 #58

lastlib

(23,659 posts)
39. Forget hammers.....sound like Judge E. about to drop the battleship Iowa on Smelvis....
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 04:23 PM
Feb 2024

and his crime front.

REEEALLLY gonna suck to be ketchup at Mar-a-Lardo tonight!

Melania, I think it's too late to cash out the pre-nup. Slobbu's goose is already cooked and carved.

redqueen

(115,113 posts)
3. None of these criminals ever expected to pay for their crimes
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 01:34 PM
Feb 2024

I think they were all in on the con and expected dementia don to be dictator by now.

liberalla

(9,370 posts)
32. So this is why the fine amount we expected last wed. was delayed?
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 03:44 PM
Feb 2024

Makes sense to me... (This might be in the link, but I'm just starting my bus ride home and haven't read up on it all yet)

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,069 posts)
31. Oh yes, I remember that Heinz commercial.
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 03:41 PM
Feb 2024

That was one nice thick burger waiting for that serving of ketchup.

In Trump’s hell, the only condiment available for his cold hamberder is Grey Poupon.

SayItLoud

(1,706 posts)
19. "Coming down hard on the Weasel"
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:11 PM
Feb 2024

Let's see if that is true. More jail time, testify truthfully, name names...but if it's a fine or slap on the wrist it's not my definition of "coming down hard".

appleannie1

(5,096 posts)
20. Oh my
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:19 PM
Feb 2024

First he pisses the judge off numerous times during trial, then he fires his lawyer, then his 'reliable' accountant flips publicly, now the judge wants to know if the accountant committed perjury while testifying in his courtroom. Especially since the judge has not decided yet on how much money the golden idol will be penalized. Love it when a good thing comes together. Guess he will have to go back on the begging trail trying to scam more money out of his dumbarse fans.

musclecar6

(1,707 posts)
56. Oh yeah
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 10:34 AM
Feb 2024

This Con man, liar and a cheat has never left the grifting trail. And those dumb fucks who keep shoving all their money to him, will just continue to do so. I figured out somewhere along the line in life you can’t do anything about stupidity.

Johonny

(21,209 posts)
23. Weisselberg's loyalty was always a mystery
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:28 PM
Feb 2024

As it seemed clear he was the fall guy. The family was more than happy to sell him out.

EndlessWire

(6,711 posts)
55. Sounds more like Engoron
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 07:38 AM
Feb 2024

exploring the opportunity to get tRump's attorneys disbarred. Why else would he demand to know what they knew?

ProudMNDemocrat

(17,284 posts)
27. TSF is not going to like having to fly back to NYC.
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 02:58 PM
Feb 2024

And face Judge Engoron.

Will it be the Judge who asks TSF why his CFO LIED? Or the AG's team?

lastlib

(23,659 posts)
42. (just a friendly hint--you ain't got enough popcorn there!)
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 04:29 PM
Feb 2024

Have some more on me:
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tavernier

(12,520 posts)
33. Ha!
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 03:50 PM
Feb 2024

I often think of scenes from the Untouchables as these trials are commencing. Especially the one where the judge has to recuse himself because obviously he is on Capone’s bribery list.

Thanks for the photo.

Major Nikon

(36,857 posts)
36. He was paid by Trump to lie. That was the whole point
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 04:07 PM
Feb 2024

The only thing that mattered to the orange dipshit was making the Forbes list. Without any doubt his accountant was ordered to lie or he would have been out of a job. Rather than finally telling the truth about that while under oath which would have undoubtedly destroyed his boss, he decided to continue with the lie and risk far greater personal peril.

The sad part is even if he now finally tells the truth, it won't really matter because he has lost every bit of credibility he might have once had. He is just as deplorable and deserves everything he has coming to him.

4lbs

(6,987 posts)
38. Was he actually paid by the Grifter-in-Chief?
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 04:21 PM
Feb 2024

Could be that Weisselberg is now singing to the Feds because he found out his check had more bounce in it than a tennis ball.

Smellvis said "Smell This" and the stench was too much for the bench.

Major Nikon

(36,857 posts)
40. He didn't come to them, he got found out
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 04:28 PM
Feb 2024

Right now we don't know for sure what the perjury is about, but speculation is that he blatantly lied about the orange dipshit's apartment square footage saying to the court he wasn't concerned about it when Forbes had the communications from him saying he dogged them about it for years.

Scalded Nun

(1,264 posts)
37. Time to buy stock in Heinz.
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 04:10 PM
Feb 2024

Ketchup, along with every other imaginable condiment is hitting the wall today!!

central scrutinizer

(11,745 posts)
44. Defense strategy
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 07:15 PM
Feb 2024

Commit so many crimes with so many helpers in so many overlapping jurisdictions that you can waddle free while they try to untangle the mare’s nest.

Generic Brad

(14,284 posts)
48. This will cost Trump way more than $370 million
Tue Feb 6, 2024, 08:38 PM
Feb 2024

There is no way Engoron doesn't give the harshest penalty he has the authority to hand out. We are on the verge of seeing major accountability - finely.

moniss

(4,280 posts)
52. Engoron is smart to
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 03:59 AM
Feb 2024

also give them a short leash be making them respond by Wednesday at 5:00 p.m. and not letting them drag a response for weeks and weeks. Weaselnuts for all of his supposed "smarts" played this really stupid for himself and his family. If he had gone to the state and the Feds and agreed to come clean completely he could have gotten a plea deal to spare himself jail time and maybe only minor penalties for any complicit family members. But the wise guys figure they will always beat the law and to an extent, given enough money for lawyers etc., they do. But not always. So Weaselnuts already spent 90+ days at Rikers in the infirmary wing for his protection. He then came out and apparently continued on with the lies. 90 days taught him nothing and his promises of cooperation have been shown to be riddled with more lies. Maybe spending 2-3 years in Rikers would have a bit more impact.

thucythucy

(8,257 posts)
59. I think it is a civil case
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 12:00 PM
Feb 2024

but I believe lying under oath, civil case or not, is a criminal offense.

moniss

(4,280 posts)
54. So does the response today
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 07:11 AM
Feb 2024

come from the parking lot attorney? He seemed to be ditching her but so far she is, to the best of our knowledge, the attorney of record for the case. Maybe it comes from that other guy who sat at the table. I don't recall if the two were from the same firm. I can imagine the filing will just be a denial that they or their client know anything about the perjury or negotiations.

Owens

(230 posts)
58. Translation: Did Trump order Weisselberg to lie for him
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 11:28 AM
Feb 2024

He may force Trump's hand to admit he told Weisselberg to lie to everyone for him

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