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I know one thing for sure about Fani Willis, she is an Attorney General who had the guts to start investigating Trump in March of 2021.
I know she tried to hire 2 prosecutors for the investigation who turned her down because they are afraid of Trump, she then hired the prosecutor who she supposedly had an affair with, so what?
Someone is going through a lot of trouble to get her removed from office, I am not jumping on that band wagon. I stand with Fani Willis until I see concrete evidence to convince me otherwise.
chicoescuela
(1,030 posts)Botany
(70,633 posts)And with RICO laws she is busy rolling up Trump, Meadows, and Rudys phony electoral
voters scam. She has already flipped some of the conspiracies who dont want to spend
5 years in locked up on RICO charges. D.A. Willis and her personal life has nothing to
do with her criminal investigation. This is classic distract and attack.
gab13by13
(21,478 posts)The Georgia state or House Magats are investigating her. With this new law they passed about a commission being able to remove her from office, I can see where this is heading.
Botany
(70,633 posts)D.A. Willis was elected by the voters of Fulton County, Georgia and their commission
should not have the legal right to remove her from office and supersede the will of the
voters of Fulton County. Although being legal hasnt bothered the GOP before.
MadameButterfly
(1,073 posts)or make something up. This will play rather well for Republicans and perhaps give them the cover they need.
But we need to be clear that Fani Willis is a hero and deserves our support.
ecstatic
(32,772 posts)Timeflyer
(2,027 posts)Think. Again.
(8,657 posts)malaise
(269,250 posts)RFN
RainCaster
(10,940 posts)He's the one behind the cleansing of DFT's image. Not even the US oligarchy is supporting him anymore.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)you want to surround yourself with people you can trust.
All the attacks, pressures with her career on the line and death threats against her and her staff may well have pushed her into his arms if they had a fling. If you are in that sort of pressure cooker, you need someone who cares about you to have your back, that you trust without reservation and someone who props you up when you get knocked down.
This woman is in a media firestorm with her career on the line and every little thing she does under an enormous media microscope.
She has one hell of a lot of guts to face down this rabid authoritarian masquerading as a leader of a democracy.
Ethics have some limits in this circumstance.
AllaN01Bear
(18,657 posts)pox t...
et tu
(933 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,657 posts)dchill
(38,588 posts)Short supply.
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)Because they are desperate.
MontanaMama
(23,365 posts)Make shit up, say it often enough and loud enough that it becomes part of the narrative. Our media is too weak to push back with facts.
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)One good thing is that people are seeing it more clearly now.
I stayed up to watch the vote in Dixville Notch, NH. They all (all 6) voted for Haley! 4 Rs and 2 Is. At least NH voters are educated for the most part and vote accordingly... tiny spot that it is. NH is the first state I ever voted in and for some reason, though it isn't all that significant in the grand scheme, I still have to see what they choose in the primaries.
Fani is on top of her game and no magatshit is going to knock her off of it. She has their numbers and also has already dealt with dirty opponents. She's a black woman who's been at this job for a while, she's got the racist routine down and is prepared for any attack. The judge appears to see through this BS attempt to smear her with their flavor of smut.
MontanaMama
(23,365 posts)I sometimes get derailed by the negative.
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)I try to take breaks to get a better perspective.
All our snow is gone and the peaks are starting to look bare. +50F here right now, heat is off and the door is open.
MontanaMama
(23,365 posts)from news. Getting my kiddo ready to go to school, closing a business and selling the other small business
my mental health cant take immersion into the news.
50??? WTH? Im at the airport leaving Kona as I type this. Ive been dreading coming back to winter. Maybe it wont be so bad when I get there.
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)Supposed to be like this, down here, for at least a week. There's a lot of clouds with it and some rain. You're more susceptible to the arctic blast than we are in this area but it looks like we'll be having a lot less of a winter than expected.
If it all comes at once, we'll have another flood. Maybe it will just rain all summer.
Have safe and pleasant journey home!
MontanaMama
(23,365 posts)Montana weather but I just checked the forecast west of the divide and sure enough, 40s all next week. Wow.
Just glad to see a plane here. Every Seattle and Portland connection here has been cancelled or significantly delayed for the past week. Thanks Boeing. 🙄
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)Having horrible ice storms on the coast for days, finally moving off. Even San Diego was experiencing flash flooding Monday. And then there's Boeing.
Sedona
(3,769 posts)SYFROYH
(34,185 posts)Having said that I work for the same state as Fani Willis and I know a couple of things about state ethical rules.
1. You cannot hire someone with whom you have an amorous relationship and you can supervise someone with whom you have an ongoing amorous relationship.
2. You cannot accept significant gifts from those with whom you have contracts for renumeration. It would appear, it not actually be, a kickback.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Fani Willis's official title is District Attorney of Fulton County. I actually live in Fulton County and had the privilege to vote for her over Paul Howard, her immediate, corrupt as hell predecessor.
Christopher Carr, a Republican, is the Attorney General of Georgia.
Fani Willis hired a Wade to be a prosecutor for the Trump investigation. At some point she and Wade started dating. Later, they went on several vacations that Wade paid for. That's really all we know at this point, but that is still an improper benefit.
It is a kickback from a government contractor to a government official that made employment / spending decisions that benefitted the contractor. It doesn't matter if they were dating. Some are questioning Wade's qualifications to even be on the case, but I don't know enough to really opine on that.
At this point, Wade is almost certainly going to be kicked from the case, and we'll be lucky if Fulton County gets to keep the case. If the case goes to Carr's office for reassignment, anything could happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if the case was dropped / delayed into oblivion / or ended is some other way.
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)Dekalb here, but you are correct in every way. They made a huge mess of a slam dunk, by not keeping it professional. Its not like he was the only attorney left in Atlanta that could have handled the case. VERY bad judgment, at best, by both.
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)The job requires unpending your life and receiving death threats on a daily basis. Not an easy ask.
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)Have you ever had to find an employee? Three people is nothing. Atlanta has almost 7 million people, with lots of great attorneys, many far more qualified than her bedmate.
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)Interviews with some of those grand jurors indicate they were impressed with Wade. One member of the panel, the only lawyer among them, told CBS News Wade was "in command" and "highly skilled." The source, who asked not to be identified discussing what occurred inside the grand jury room, described Wade as a deft performer in front of the grand jury.
"He had a lightness of tone when that was appropriate and was very serious when it was time to be serious," the grand juror said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fani-willis-trump-2020-election-case-prosecutor-nathan-wade/
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)If you dont understand basic business and legal ethics, then perhaps you should re-examine your belief systems.
And unless you think Clarence Thomas is ok with taking trips on his friends nickel, then I call it partisan hypocrisy.
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)They're both single. It's not ideal, but workplace romances happen. That's how I met my husband. Been married 33 years.
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)And I doubt your husband gave you a $600k paycheck in the biggest case in the country and I doubt you filed for divorce the day after being given your job.
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)There really aren't a lot of attorneys in Atlanta that have prosecutorial experience and are willing to upend their lives and face daily death threats. His marital troubles preceded his hire. His ex-wife admits she cheated on him during their marriage.
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 25, 2024, 04:26 PM - Edit history (1)
The people in Willis' OWN office were surprised at her selection. But the point is simple, she could have continued on with her boyfriend and found someone else to do the job, as well, or better than the guy she picked. Or, she could have picked him and chosen to put the relationship on hold for the duration.
My wife, who also is a Georgia attorney, and graduated with honors form the same Emory Law School as Fani Willis, is far more pissed off than I. They were trained better than that. His marital troubles are irrelevant, his wife's actions are irrelevant, the timing of his divorce filing within days of his getting a GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR job from the District Attorney, whom he was already seeing, is VERY relevant. Her getting kickbacks in the form of vacation trips and cruises is ALSO relevant. My perspective is bit different than my wife's since I was a top director at a Fortune 100 company, and we let managers go for having affairs with their employees, especially if that got financial quid pro quo, as well as those sleeping with contractors in perceived compromising positions - ie giving contracts to someone they were sleeping with.
This is simply unethical, brain-dead behavior, bordering on incredible lack of judgement in the best case, and outright corruption in the worst. She has compromised the entire case, ia slam-dunk case that may completely fall apart, and should not be being "Appreciated" at this time.
And yes, as a lifelong Democrat, supporter of ethical humans like Jimmy Carter, I find it shocking at the rationalizations of so many liberals at justifying something so obviously wrong, and something that if a GQPper did it, they would be howlig bloody murder about.
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)With regard to his divorce filing coming on the heels of contracting for this case, did it ever occur to you or anyone else participating in this feeding frenzy that people delay divorce because they can't afford it? Divorce is very expensive, it requires suddenly paying for 2 households instead of 1. His ex-wife admits their marriage was in trouble for years before this; she admits to an affair that started 4 years ago. Wade was practicing out on his own with 1 partner. As your wife can tell you, the finances of a small firm are pretty tenuous and the money is not steady. Once Wade signed that contract, he had steady money for at least a couple years, so it makes sense that he would begin divorce proceedings, now that he had steady money.
There is absolutely no evidence that Willis was sleeping with Wade when Wade signed that contract.
MichMan
(12,001 posts)Most government entities wouldn't permit a government employee from hiring someone as a direct report with whom they have a romantic relationship and paying them with taxpayer funds. I suspect Willis isn't paid nearly that much in salary herself.
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)It appears they got close while working together. They were friends before that for years.
And he is not her employee. He is a state contractor hired for a temporary job.
She has a filing due Feb. 2 to explain all this. Maybe we should wait until then before doing the reflexive Dem circular firing squad, those have never served us well.
MichMan
(12,001 posts)SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)For example, I know here in CA the state A.G. can request the state contract with outside counsel for specific lawsuits, but the A.G.'s office must justify that request, and justify the particular lawyers they want, and the state makes the final decision.
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)hcane567
(1 post)Like Magic Mike?
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)Enjoy your stay.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,784 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)Silent Type
(3,012 posts)This should have been a slamdunk case against trump. Now, we will be lucky if it goes to trial in 2025. And if it gets moved, it could just as well end up in Marjorie Crazy Greene's district where 70+% support trump.
Yeah, if it goes to AG Carr that would likely mean the end of the case.
Does Willis have any Democratic opposition for 2024 election?
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)There ARE others that could be brought in. I would think the only reason to move it would be venue change for bias. That doesnt apply here.
But yes, this is a major screwup
Silent Type
(3,012 posts)remains in Atlanta.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)...find others to work on this case because it was TFG.
MAGA falsehoods shouldn't be taken at face value in DU
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)I have no belief, unless something different than what Ive heard comes out, that Fani Willis is going to be disqualified from this case, James said.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2024-01-19/lawyer-hired-to-prosecute-trump-in-georgia-is-thrust-into-the-spotlight-over-affair-claims
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)niyad
(113,731 posts)relayerbob
(6,561 posts)live love laugh
(13,182 posts)If the Willis attacks fail, Trumps auditioning for a mental incompetence plea.
catrose
(5,076 posts)Or any other marginalized person until I see irrefutable evidence. I start by giving them every benefit of every doubt, just like white R men get
MichMan
(12,001 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)H2O Man
(73,666 posts)Hope22
(1,902 posts)Who stands for all of us. Stay safe. Im sure this is nothing you didnt expect. Its a difficult and demanding job you hold and you are doing an amazing job. Thank you! Keep on keeping on!
speak easy
(9,344 posts)Later, as an associate judge in Marietta, an Atlanta suburb of about 60,000 residents, Mr. Wade presided over cases dealing with some misdemeanor crimes, traffic tickets and violations of city ordinances.
In 2020, Mr. Wade was chosen by the sheriff in Cobb County to investigate deaths at the jail there. In June of that year, Mr. Wade was quoted in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution saying that he planned to issue a report about conditions at the jail. If we find it, well report it, he said. Itll be written up.
But in October 2020, he said during a court hearing that he had spent five months reviewing deaths at the jail and interviewing deputies but had not kept any written notes, according to 11 Alive, the NBC affiliate in Atlanta.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/10/us/georgia-trump-nathan-wade.html
If correct, I do not appreciate DA Willis hiring a man with no relevant prosecutorial experience, let alone managing a complex RICO case. This will be hung around our necks in November.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)Please don't repeat MAGA lies and notions or Wade not being qualified when people were turning down the role because of the case
Response to uponit7771 (Reply #84)
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gab13by13
(21,478 posts)Nathan Wade is a Georgia lawyer who was appointed as a special prosecutor in the criminal case against former President Donald Trump and his associates for allegedly trying to overturn the 2020 election results in the state 12. He is also facing scrutiny over his alleged personal and professional relationship with Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who is leading the case 34.
Wade was born in 1973 in Texas and graduated from Texas State University with a degree in political science. He then moved to Atlanta to attend John Marshall School of Law, where he earned his Juris Doctor in 1999 25. He began his career as a prosecutor in the Fulton County District Attorneys office, where he worked for 16 years and handled several high-profile cases, including the Atlanta Public Schools cheating scandal, in which he served as the lead prosecutor and secured convictions of 11 educators for racketeering in 2015 25. He also served as the first Black male judge in Marietta, Georgia, after he was appointed to the citys municipal court in 2011 26.
Wade left the district attorneys office in 2018 and joined the private law firm of Wade & Campbell, where he specializes in criminal defense, civil litigation, and personal injury 25. He is also an associate municipal court judge for Cobb County 26.
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)Got a link to where you found that info? That makes Willis hiring him pretty justified!
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)Its a TERRIBLE look & she should have known better than to do it. The other two lawyers are preeminent prosectors. You say you haven't seen any evidence but there's some pretty solid stuff out there. He bought plane tickets in her name for vacations more than once. Crusies, hotels. She's been subpoenaed in his divorce case. She's never denied the relationship which would be very easy to do.
.I want this case tried as much as anyone else here. Maybe MORE since I LIVE in Ga. But dont be surprised if she's removed from the case when all is said & done. And if that happens it wont be tried before the election. Even if she's not the appeals are going to drag it out.
Its just a damn shame
Come on, Jack Smith!!........
gab13by13
(21,478 posts)post what crimes she committed.
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)An appearance of impropriety is often more than enough. And this certainly on some level of "impropriety"; when the least qualified person has billed the most hours on the case by a HUGE amount & there is obviously a personal relationship between the two. . And she should know better. Especially as many high profile cases as she's been involved in.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)Records show them traveling together on several occasions; cruises, nice hotels, airline tickets in her name etc. Pretty hard proof to me.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... Not Wade's bank account with charges on them with no names and no IDs related to the charges
Also a non-denial is not proof of anything unless it is under oath in court for instance. No one owes MAGA or any of their MSM sympathizer anything.
I'll wait till February 2nd where if she's asked the question and answers it under oath. Yay! Nay whatever about their situation, then that's what I'll believe, but not conjecture from a MAGA traitor court filing.
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)No, she doesnt HAVE to say anything till Feb 2. But I dont know anyone who would wait to deny something that wasn't true. I'd tell 'em to "piss off" and walk away. But maybe she knows it'll be a big slap in their face if she waits till court.
But who knows. I hope its ALL a lie. If it is I'll gladly admit it. And of course next FRIDAY is the day. Never a Wednesday.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)We all know that let's stop playing games, there are no names by the charges he could have took anybody we don't know
And let's say he did take her anywhere. Who cares. They're consenting adults
Why are we going over maga stupidity here?
Calista241
(5,586 posts)It's a kickback from a government contractor to a government official that made employment / spending decisions that benefitted the contractor.
It does not matter if they were dating or in some other form of relationship.
In addition, they're going to make this about more than Wade. Willis directly benefitted from (in the form of free vacations / travel / cruises, etc.) her employment of Wade as a special prosecutor.
The more I hear about this case, the more despondent I feel about our chances of convicting Trump of anything.
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)I have no belief, unless something different than what Ive heard comes out, that Fani Willis is going to be disqualified from this case, James said.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2024-01-19/lawyer-hired-to-prosecute-trump-in-georgia-is-thrust-into-the-spotlight-over-affair-claims
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)But you dont give people like trump ANYTHING to use against you. She should have disclosed to the court that they had a relationship. And I'm not claiming he didnt work the hours billed, just that the people with the most experience shouldve been doing it.
50/50 on her being removed. And if she's NOT; another delay while trump appeals THAT decision.
IMO, this case isnt going to happen before the election. Hopefully I'm wrong.
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)she has to benefit from the OUTCOME being a guilty verdict. What's happening here so far doesnt show that. Its certainly stupid on her part & I'm surprised how many people are brushing this aside, but if she's employed a boyfriend the verdict doesnt affect her either way. She very well could be removed from the case for the appearance of impropriety but the case would move on. But not till after the election.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Wade is getting paid $250 / hour for the duration of the case. That, by itself, is incentive to keep the case going.
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)I'm not positive about that but I heard a judge on the radio a couple weeks ago saying that
Whatever is going to happen we should know soon; waiting just gives trump what he wants; MORE delay
SunSeeker
(51,779 posts)And he's billed the most hours because he's done the most work. He did the bulk of the work of shepherding this case through the grand jury process:
Interviews with some of those grand jurors indicate they were impressed with Wade. One member of the panel, the only lawyer among them, told CBS News Wade was "in command" and "highly skilled." The source, who asked not to be identified discussing what occurred inside the grand jury room, described Wade as a deft performer in front of the grand jury.
"He had a lightness of tone when that was appropriate and was very serious when it was time to be serious," the grand juror said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fani-willis-trump-2020-election-case-prosecutor-nathan-wade/
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)People are taking MAGA lies at face value
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)"Records: Georgia Trump case special prosecutor paid half a million dollars more than others hired by Fulton DA office"
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/special-reports/ga-trump-investigation/nathan-wade-paid-substantially-more-than-fulton-special-prosecutors/85-c1fa7418-7608-4417-a685-2fbab1c450aa
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... impossible to show without a peer breakdown in services charges hiur for hour
No one has shown that at all ... Just taking MAGA accusations at face value
We should not repeat MAGA claims of anything on DU
oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)The other two have dealt in cases like this for years. he has not
But you're free to wave it off if you like. Its a BAD look and it never shouldve happened. And me being In ATL for previous cases that Willis handled I'm surprised she let this happen. In the past the teachers union came for her; she's used to people coming for her. She shouldve known this would come out.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)oldsoftie
(12,651 posts)So carry on. We'll see what Feb 2nd brings.
Theres a Washington Post article that begins with "In the fall of 2021, Nathan Wade had little experience prosecuting criminal cases in the Atlanta are; serving as a municipal judge who mostly dealt with traffic tickets & running a private practice the tfocuses on family law and contract disputes"
The rest is paywalled & I dont know how to get around that. The Washington Post is hardly a right wing rag.
From CNN:
"When Nathan Wade was appointed lead prosecutor in the Georgia election interference case in 2021 to prosecute former President Donald Trump, some of his closest allies, lawyers in Cobb County where Wade practiced law, universally wondered, Why him?
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis had the largest staff of any judicial circuit in Georgia, including salaried lawyers with more experience as felony prosecutors. Wade had once been a prosecutor briefly, but mostly handled misdemeanors and never such a high-profile case."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/12/politics/nathan-wade-fani-willis-da-georgia-election-subversion-case/index.html
iluvtennis
(19,897 posts)onecaliberal
(32,962 posts)spanone
(135,919 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,204 posts)She will be in the history as a hero fighting the villians.
Hekate
(90,951 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,492 posts)B.See
(1,337 posts)With her and other strong individuals, including Black women who, as it so happens, just might very well be the last bastion of HOPE for the survival of America's DEMOCRACY
(while certain other "Meek" mfs go about trying to score brownie points by black-facing white supremacy-which really gets my goat, in case you haven't yet gathered).
With all the SHIT Trump and his fellow MAGAS have done, said, and stand for, I'm supposed to care about who she sleeps with? I don't give a flying.....
In fact, here's another heads up. I don't give a flying about Hunter's laptop. Nor did I care about the bogus Al Franken accusations. Nor did I give a fk about Hillary's emails. ALL right wing, hyped up bullshit.
Stop letting these MAGAts control the narrative.
gab13by13
(21,478 posts)Is what Al Franken did improper? You bet. Should he have resigned from the Senate? Fuck No.
When Clarence Thomas steps down then Fani can step down.
elocs
(22,628 posts)If she were a Republican would you give her a pass on doing the same thing? I doubt it.
B.See
(1,337 posts)So, in comparison to the NEPOTISM AND PROFIT from foreign interests by the Trump crime family, the attempted COUP and overthrow of a national election, the 147 Congressional Republicans who SUPPORTED that action by voting against Biden's confirmation, the subsequent rebranding of that INSURRECTION as"legitimate political discourse" the fake electors and documents, the threats and intimidation, the criminal Republican officeholders like Texas' Ken Paxton, the connivingly underhanded manipulations of Florida's Desantis, the obstruction of medical information and dissemination if bullshit propaganda and disinformation with regard to Covid, the MAGA manipulations at the state level to disenfranchise voters and disempower elected Democrats and a HELLUVA lot more I could mention, would I give her "stupidity a pass if she were Republican"? HELL yeah, I would.
In fact, under the avalanche of all the other SHIT Republicans pull, I doubt anyone would've ever NOTICED.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... Which has no validity because Wade is qualified as a special counsel for the state and a judge for more than 10 years
I am floored by how many DU posters are taking the MAGA traitor filing at face value when MAGA are liars by association to Donald Trump alone.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)The Wizard
(12,552 posts)The Roux Comes First
(1,300 posts)gab13by13
(21,478 posts)I get its info here.
Fani has a huge case to oversee, she got a bargain getting Wade for under a million.
Fani has to answer to judge MacAfee, I trust him and whatever he decides about Fani, until then, people calling for her dismissal can , you know what, wait.
Waiting on Clarence Thomas to step down. He most likely committed crimes.