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At first, I thought this was just more Russian trolling of Western democracies but it is a bit more than that as Putin is also serving this up for domestic consumption, giving the ultranationalists something to talk about and further legitimizing the invasion of Ukraine. And it seems to be working. One of the larger Russian Telegram channels, Two Majors, suggested starting with Alaska.
"We suggest starting with Alaska," the Two Majors Telegram channelwhich has more than 530,000 subscriberswrote. Beyond that, the blogger wrote that the Kremlin should look to "Dnieper Ukraine, Bessarabia, the Grand Duchy of Finland, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, the Central Asian states of Russian Turkestan, most of the Baltic provinces, and a significant part of Poland."
Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a new decree relating to Moscow's historic real estate holdings abroad, a move interpreted by ultranationalist bloggers as a foundation for future revanchism against Russia's neighborsand even the U.S. The decree, signed by the president late last week, allocates funds for the search, registration, and legal protection of Russian property abroad, including property in the former territories of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union.
This would include Alaska, swathes of eastern and central Europe, large chunks of central Asia, and parts of Scandinavia. Russia's Foreign Ministry and its presidential administration's Foreign Property Management Enterprise are directed to carry out the work, ordered to find, register, and protect "property" in question.
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/01/putin-declares-sale-alaska-null-void-wants
The Newsweek article cited above can be found here:
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-decree-triggers-ominous-alaska-calls-territory-empire-soviet-union-1862689
Putin's fat American agent needs to be asked about this.
bucolic_frolic
(43,876 posts)dalton99a
(82,070 posts)Aristus
(66,717 posts)We'll send our soldiers with coffee, tea, and plenty of food to offer them. Your boys will surrender in droves without firing a shot.
former9thward
(32,272 posts)In other words, fake news.
Tom of Temecula
(1,447 posts)former9thward
(32,272 posts)Tom of Temecula
(1,447 posts)former9thward
(32,272 posts)As many posters have shown.
Tom of Temecula
(1,447 posts)Tom of Temecula
(1,447 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,075 posts)What a clown. With nukes.
GreenWave
(7,122 posts)hunter
(38,422 posts)... but they'll happily buy control of all its resources.
Putin is not negotiating with China from a position of strength.
Mad_Machine76
(24,498 posts)Invade?!
limbicnuminousity
(1,408 posts)It would be fitting if he and Trump somehow acquired syphilis together. Late-stage syphilis would explain the bromance between the two.
Ocelot II
(116,430 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,325 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(146,746 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,782 posts)So the good people of Alaska know what they're voting for.
Captain Zero
(6,940 posts)Maybe the Russians will take back Trump Tower
after Donald files bankruptcy is more like it.
Raine
(30,565 posts)to be deprived of that pleasure by giving it up to Pootie.
Disaffected
(4,621 posts)Reading the headline, I though yawn, must be just another Onion satire piece.
LeftInTX
(26,133 posts)Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a new decree relating to Moscow's historic real estate holdings abroad, a move interpreted by ultranationalist bloggers as a foundation for future revanchism against Russia's neighborsand even the U.S.
The decree, signed by the president late last week, allocates funds for the search, registration, and legal protection of Russian property abroad, including property in the former territories of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union.
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This would also mean the re-annexation of all the former USSR States, including Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Soviet_states
Post-Soviet states
1. Armenia 2. Azerbaijan 3. Belarus 4. Estonia 5. Georgia 6. Kazakhstan 7. Kyrgyzstan 8. Latvia 9. Lithuania 10. Moldova 11. Russia 12. Tajikistan 13. Turkmenistan 14. Ukraine 15. Uzbekistan
___________
I really don't think the Alaska thing is gonna happen. This is probably about Ukraine more than anything.
Disaffected
(4,621 posts)Still bad enough though - how bloody much of the earth's surface does Russia think it is entitled to?
FakeNoose
(33,255 posts)From Wikipedia:
William H. Seward, the 24th United States Secretary of State, negotiated the Alaska Purchase (referred to pejoratively as Seward's Folly) with the Russians in 1867 for $7.2 million. Russia's contemporary ruler Tsar Alexander II, the Emperor of the Russian Empire, King of Poland and Grand Duke of Finland, also planned the sale; the purchase was made on March 30, 1867. Six months later the commissioners arrived in Sitka and the formal transfer was arranged; the formal flag-raising took place at Fort Sitka on October 18, 1867. In the ceremony 250 uniformed U.S. soldiers marched to the governor's house at "Castle Hill", where the Russian troops lowered the Russian flag and the U.S. flag was raised. This event is celebrated as Alaska Day, a legal holiday on October 18.
Before that, the Russian Empire only had possession of Alaska for a little over 100 years, and they did a poor job of protecting it or developing it during that time. The Russian Tsar's government never really colonized or occupied the Alaskan territory and it's totally bizarre that Putin would think he has any claim. If any group has a claim to Alaska it would be the indigenous peoples, and our government has made every effort to provide for them. Our federal administrations since 1959 have done way more to help the indigenous peoples of Alaska than the Russian empire ever did.
This really makes Putin sound like a ridiculous blowhard.
AllaN01Bear
(19,499 posts)also brought in the pacific north west and extreme northern ca. sorry charlie.oh . snork.
getagrip_already
(15,258 posts)Let's see how stinky answers that question. Go ahead, ask him if he would oppose putin takin Alaska.
ms liberty
(8,673 posts)A bullet to the head on Russian teevee would do in a pinch. Really sick of him.
LetMyPeopleVote
(146,746 posts)If TFG is re-elected, TFG will owe Putin and now we know what TFG is going to have to give to Putin to pay off TFG's debt to Putin
peggysue2
(10,916 posts)Biden openly stating that he approves of unfreezing Russian assets (held in the West) and giving them to Ukraine, something in the neighborhood of $300 billion.
With Putin (like Trump) it's always about vengeance and breast-beating. Putin is gearing up for another faux election, so the Strongman act needs more gas, particularly with his failures in Ukraine and a deeply dissatisfied population.
This 'Returning the Russian Empire to its former glory' is a repeating meme in Putin-World.
Just another reason Trump needs a slamming in November.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Lets see how big a toady TFG really is.
edisdead
(2,016 posts)femmedem
(8,226 posts)His expansionism will never stop until he's defeated.
Renew Deal
(81,947 posts)Retrograde
(10,216 posts)Russia had an established outpost at Fort Ross, California in the late 1700s: why not claim all the land along the coast from the Bering Strait to just north of San Francisco?
moondust
(20,069 posts)And Saturn! And Krypton! And Vulcan!
And all the others everywhere!
Xорошо Влад?
LeftInTX
(26,133 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,968 posts)meow2u3
(24,814 posts)Megalomaniac Putin is not going to get his empire back, no matter how he fantasizes about it. The US will make sure Putler is going to be defeated in Alaska, which is about as cold as Russia in the winter.
Putler will have to learn the hard way not to screw with the US military. FAFO, russkies!
former9thward
(32,272 posts)The crooks is blocked.
LeftInTX
(26,133 posts)Kennah
(14,404 posts)Attilatheblond
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Kennah
(14,404 posts)Attilatheblond
(2,421 posts)and a bunch of spunky high schoolers who fought guerilla warfare against the invaders. Really silly movie. School mascot was Wolverine.
Kennah
(14,404 posts)Soviets had more military power, relative to the time, than present day Russia, but neither has any ability to land troops in the US--other than perhaps a team launch from a submarine.
DFW
(54,755 posts)Not that there wouldn't be a few constitutional questions as well, mind you...............
dchill
(38,703 posts)...could get behind - for enough rubles.
Walleye
(31,345 posts)Hekate
(91,462 posts)then pretend hes Superman and fly out of a top-floor window.
Cha
(298,887 posts)Chainfire
(17,757 posts)Russia is going on the old legal principle that they had their fingers crossed when they did the deal. Wait until France, Spain and the UK get the news, we won't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of...
roamer65
(36,750 posts)Tactical Nuclear Weapons.
Blather on Putler.
Xolodno
(6,436 posts)Claim:
In January 2024, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that the 1867 sale of Alaska to the United States was "illegal."
Rating:
Rating: False
Rating: False
In 1867, the United States bought Alaska from the Russian Empire, significantly expanding its territory. Fast forward to January 2024: Amid Russia's ongoing invasion of Ukraine and U.S. support for Ukraine, a rumor surfaced online. It claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin declared the 1867 sale of Alaska "illegal." For instance, one Reddit post on the topic read, "Putin stokes tensions with US, declares 1867 sale of Alaska 'illegal.'"
Tom of Temecula
(1,447 posts)My personal take is it is sad when people on sites such as this one cannot recognize Putinist propaganda.
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-decree-triggers-ominous-alaska-calls-territory-empire-soviet-union-1862689
https://mustreadalaska.com/russian-cadets-sing-their-vows-to-help-putin-take-alaska-back-from-united-states/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1572898/Russian-cadets-sing-ll-bring-Alaska-home-song-Putin.html
Kid Berwyn
(15,458 posts)Trump unifies Russia.
pecosbob
(7,593 posts)Everyone that lives there knows they're at the top of the recruiting list and bound for Ukraine. Their reality is they are mostly powerless and isolated.
Attilatheblond
(2,421 posts)Seems possible people in Siberia might be just a tad pissed at Putin and the eastern part of Russia, where all the comforts are hoarded.
AKwannabe
(5,732 posts)What?
thucythucy
(8,209 posts)the kingdom of Muscovy, which includes all of Russia east of Lithuania and Poland.
It did, after all, have control of the region for hundreds of years, and only lost it after an uprising the Mongolians no doubt considered an illegal insurrection.
Seriously, this sounds like Putin trolling.
Towlie
(5,345 posts)Tom of Temecula
(1,447 posts)Directly signed documents or the rumor mill?
Tom of Temecula
(1,447 posts)State Department responds to Putin on Alaska: 'Certainly he's not getting it back'
The State Department on Monday brushed off reports of Russian President Vladimir Putin ordering his government to look into the nations former real estate abroad, saying Alaska would be staying in American hands. Putin signed a new decree last week to allocate funds for the research and registration of Russian property overseas, including that in former territories of the Russian Empire and Soviet Union, Russian state media TASS reported.
The decree, which comes amid Russias ongoing invasion of Ukraine, did not specifically mention Alaska, though it caught the attention of military bloggers, who argued Putin was using the decree to declare the 1867 Russian sale of the Last Frontier State to the U.S. is illegal. Well, I think I can speak for all of us in the U.S. government to say that certainly hes not getting it back, State Department principal deputy spokesperson Vedant Patel said during a Monday press briefing, prompting laughter from his audience.
The Institute for the Study of War last week noted the exact parameters of what constitutes current or historical Russia property are unclear.
The Kremlin may use the protection of its claimed property in countries outside of its internationally recognized borders to forward soft power mechanisms in post-Soviet and neighboring states ultimately aimed at internal destabilization, the institute wrote in an assessment of the Russian offensive campaign.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4423913-state-dept-putin-alaska-russia/
Doesn't the State Department subscribe to Snopes?