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kentuck

(111,246 posts)
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 10:59 AM Jan 2024

Is Trump trying to intimidate the Supreme Court?

I saw a video this morning from MeidasTouch that showed a post by the Great Stinky and he was suggesting that the Court would rule against him, both on the immunity charge and the ballot issues, because they were influenced by "politics".

In effect, his comments were attempting to do just that.

He is becoming more desperate by the minute.

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Is Trump trying to intimidate the Supreme Court? (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2024 OP
Yes. Next question. niyad Jan 2024 #1
The good news is that the majority of justices aren't intimidated by him in the least, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #2
I give this fascist Supreme Court very little credit gab13by13 Jan 2024 #4
You're absolutely correct that time matters, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #6
The bad news is that they refused to expedite their consideration of the appeal pnwmom Jan 2024 #21
Maybe, maybe not. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #22
This is my fear BlueKota Jan 2024 #31
Yes, fealty isn't forever Shermann Jan 2024 #29
Trump never had a legal defense that would win in a court of law, when he goes to court he loses. gab13by13 Jan 2024 #3
+1... myohmy2 Jan 2024 #8
He understands very well that the best way to never be convicted... kentuck Jan 2024 #10
He's relying heavily... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #32
Some members of SCOTUS may be craven... FalloutShelter Jan 2024 #5
Somehow I feel optimistic as well ecstatic Jan 2024 #13
+1! CrispyQ Jan 2024 #14
More like the ones who bought them. onecaliberal Jan 2024 #30
It might be even simpler than that. yardwork Jan 2024 #15
Intimidation is his M.O. GoCubsGo Jan 2024 #7
Trump will keep 6 of the Justices. gab13by13 Jan 2024 #9
I doubt that. See post #5. nt GoCubsGo Jan 2024 #11
I have to disagree with you here. Only uber corrupt Thomas and Alito will side with Trump. flashman13 Jan 2024 #24
You nailed it. And, this is why I don't think they will side with him. In a dictatorship there's only room for one PortTack Jan 2024 #20
Cool. So they might as well rule against him now as ecstatic Jan 2024 #12
depending... myohmy2 Jan 2024 #16
He needs to be muzzled. spanone Jan 2024 #17
His MO Timewas Jan 2024 #18
Lots of people want to intimidate SCOTUS. Igel Jan 2024 #19
Another possibility is he knows they'll rule against him Qutzupalotl Jan 2024 #23
Donald Trump has tried to make the rule of law about politics bucolic_frolic Jan 2024 #25
Heaven knows I am no fan of Clarence, not in the least bit but Sammy boy? He could be a huge problem. n/t SheilaAnn Jan 2024 #26
He knows he 's going down malaise Jan 2024 #27
RSO rso Jan 2024 #28
Hopefully he is correct about ruling "against him, both on the immunity charge and the ballot issues," republianmushroom Jan 2024 #33

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,729 posts)
2. The good news is that the majority of justices aren't intimidated by him in the least,
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:03 AM
Jan 2024

they've ruled against him time and time again, especially with his bullshit lawsuits trying to overturn his loss to Pres. Biden, and I suspect that they'll rule against him again.

gab13by13

(22,024 posts)
4. I give this fascist Supreme Court very little credit
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:15 AM
Jan 2024

for ruling against 60 frivolous Trump lawsuits. There wasn't a single one of those 60 lawsuits/appeals that any rational judge would have granted.

Trump understands that he can't win in a courtroom, he doesn't have the evidence or facts on his side.

What Trump understands and what Jack Smith understands is that time matters.

Polls are showing that a convicted Trump loses the election by 6 points.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,729 posts)
6. You're absolutely correct that time matters,
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:19 AM
Jan 2024

but I believe that the SC will rule against him again, they've shown very little interest in protecting him and I also believe that they will rule PDQ when it reaches them.
We shall see.
Happy New Year gab13by13.

pnwmom

(109,064 posts)
21. The bad news is that they refused to expedite their consideration of the appeal
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:15 PM
Jan 2024

which means we're very unlikely to see that trial in March, if ever.

BlueKota

(2,145 posts)
31. This is my fear
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:55 PM
Jan 2024

they can help him run out the clock, until the election without ever offering a ruling. Then they can say they technically didn't rule that he was immune, and let him pardon himself if he wins.

Shermann

(7,674 posts)
29. Yes, fealty isn't forever
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:35 PM
Jan 2024

Fealty will remain in place just as long as it is beneficial to the allegiant. As circumstances change, allegiances will break and form anew.

I watched Game of Thrones you see. Cersei couldn't maintain her grip on power sitting in that dungeon cell.

gab13by13

(22,024 posts)
3. Trump never had a legal defense that would win in a court of law, when he goes to court he loses.
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:11 AM
Jan 2024

That is not, nor was it ever his strategy. he cannot prove his innocence in a courtroom so he files frivolous appeals to delay his trials.
He threatens judges, juries, witnesses, SC justices to put fear in them with death threats. These people will think twice about taking Trump on knowing they will get death threats.

For 2 1/2 years I have been criticized here for pushing the fact that Time Matters in holding Trump accountable, in getting Trump to trial before the election. Jack Smith so understands the importance of time that he has trimmed down the criminal charges that he has brought against Trump. Jack Smith's #1 goal is to get Trump to trial before the election.

No way in a million years will this fascist Supreme Court give a president the Divine right of Kings. The real question that we should be asking is whether this court is going to delay reaching its decision in time for the J6 trial to begin on time?

Time Matters

2naSalit

(87,756 posts)
32. He's relying heavily...
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 02:29 PM
Jan 2024

On brute force and ignorance of the minions. I suspect there are far fewer of them than we are being lead to believe.

Always remember that a vast network of trolls and propagandists are at work, critical thinking is necessary from now on with everything your hear, read, see.

FalloutShelter

(12,037 posts)
5. Some members of SCOTUS may be craven...
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:17 AM
Jan 2024

But they are not stupid. If they pave the way for a tRump Presidency by giving him a pass , they will live under his boot as surely as we will. He will threaten them at every opportunity.

I keep coming back to ‘craven’. They all have life time appointments. Guess who does not? YET!

Why would they bend the knee, when they have the power and he has none.?

JMHO

ecstatic

(32,928 posts)
13. Somehow I feel optimistic as well
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:38 AM
Jan 2024

I just feel like the issues before them are so common sense that it would be really really shocking, even for a group of right-wing thugs, to buck that common sense.

yardwork

(62,041 posts)
15. It might be even simpler than that.
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:44 AM
Jan 2024

Trump publicly speaks about the justices he appointed as "his." Nobody likes that. Brett Kavanaugh doesn't want people thinking that the only reason he was nominated to the Court was because he owes something to a gross pathetic jerk like Trump.

I expect they're all distancing themselves from Trump. This doesn't mean they'll vote wisely - some of them are still moronic bigoted jerks - but they won't want to be seen as giving anything to Trump.

GoCubsGo

(32,150 posts)
7. Intimidation is his M.O.
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:19 AM
Jan 2024

So, yes. Of course, he is. How the justices react to his intimidation is another story. We'll see, but I'm not so sure they're going to cower to it. If he wins, they're out of power.

flashman13

(751 posts)
24. I have to disagree with you here. Only uber corrupt Thomas and Alito will side with Trump.
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:24 PM
Jan 2024

"His 3 judges" will not support him. They want overturning Rowe and empowering the patriarchy to be their legacy rather than to be remembered as Trump's stooges.

I am willing to go out on a limb and say that the DC Circuit Court will rule that Trump has no immunity and SCOTUS will vote not to hear the case which lets the DC court ruling stand.

PortTack

(32,947 posts)
20. You nailed it. And, this is why I don't think they will side with him. In a dictatorship there's only room for one
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:13 PM
Jan 2024

At the top. They are every bit as addicted to power as he is

ecstatic

(32,928 posts)
12. Cool. So they might as well rule against him now as
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:37 AM
Jan 2024

the law and Constitution requires. It's likely they're already receiving threats by now, so fear of his base should no longer be an issue. Can't put that cat back in the bag.

myohmy2

(3,309 posts)
16. depending...
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 11:55 AM
Jan 2024

...on what crap comes down from the fascist Republican hacks controlling the Supreme Court, we still control the Presidency and Senate until January 21, 2025...

...plenty of time to save our Constitution and democracy...if we want...

...

Igel

(35,522 posts)
19. Lots of people want to intimidate SCOTUS.
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:04 PM
Jan 2024

Threats to pack the court. Worked in the '30s, hasn't much worked yet that anybody's noticed.

Calls to defund the justices when made by more than just anonymous commenters on discussion groups also fall under "intimidation." Basically, "Vote the correct way, my way, or we'll cut your pay."

One prominent person in power said when SCOTUS was poised to decided a certain way on a certain case, calling out specific justices by name, "You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions." Not an attempt at intimidation? (He got cheers, not jeers. Intimidation is good, I guess. Until it's said by a baddie.)

The constant refrain that SCOTUS is utterly biased for partisan reasons--that's really what Trump said--is a commonplace in many circles. It's basically a speech act of intimidation--keep it up and we'll start to ignore you. It also increases the acceptability, many quasi-crazies think, of threats of violence.

Extra-judicial attempts to influence and intimidate courts to reach an acceptable decision are common as dirt. It's not a bad thing just when Trump does it.

Qutzupalotl

(14,427 posts)
23. Another possibility is he knows they'll rule against him
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:20 PM
Jan 2024

and is trying to get ahead of the ruling with a face-saving excuse.

bucolic_frolic

(44,050 posts)
25. Donald Trump has tried to make the rule of law about politics
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:24 PM
Jan 2024

Any law that doesn't allow him to do as he pleases is a political law written and enforced against him. Landlord Mentality?

His humongous ego is attempting to steamroll everything in his path.

If SCOTUS cannot uphold the rule of law, then they are issuing political rulings and have allowed themselves to be rolled.

SheilaAnn

(9,767 posts)
26. Heaven knows I am no fan of Clarence, not in the least bit but Sammy boy? He could be a huge problem. n/t
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:25 PM
Jan 2024

rso

(2,291 posts)
28. RSO
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 01:33 PM
Jan 2024

Unlike many of the officials that Trump has threatened, SCOTUS justices have effective security available to them, so Donnie’s threats will not work .

republianmushroom

(14,659 posts)
33. Hopefully he is correct about ruling "against him, both on the immunity charge and the ballot issues,"
Mon Jan 1, 2024, 03:19 PM
Jan 2024

but the reasoning will be because he did break the law.

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