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gab13by13

(21,547 posts)
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 09:18 AM Dec 2023

I Believe "They" All Fear Trump

Trump is a mob boss with an army of enforcers, nothing to be scoffed at.

Make Trump angry and death threats are sure to follow.

Trump cannot defend his crimes in a courtroom, he doesn't have the evidence or facts, so he is doing a different kind of defense, intimidation.

Trump wants judges to fear him (a 5,000 dollar fine is laughable) wants Attorney Generals to fear him, wants prosecutors to fear him, wants Supreme Court justices to fear him. (His claim of divine right of a king should have been immediately not accepted by the court) not rejected, not accepted, Trump wants witnesses to fear him, they too get death threats, Trump wants the jury to fear him, more death threats.

Oh and his best defense is delay. The DC Appeals court will make a ruling by mid January on Trump's divine right claim, and then it goes to the Supreme Court, unless Trump appeals to the entire Appeals court, if not, the Supreme Court should immediately reject hearing the appeal, but it won't, it will take its time to rule on the Divinity of Trump.

Numerous people have taken on "the Don," E. Jean Carroll, a 5 year struggle, Letitia James, a 4-5 year struggle, Fani Willis, since March of 2021, Jack Smith., and judge Chutkan, all very brave people.

Trump has been treated with kid gloves his entire life, will those gloves ever come off?

If Trump is convicted, polls say, he loses the election.

Time Matters.

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I Believe "They" All Fear Trump (Original Post) gab13by13 Dec 2023 OP
Orange Bastard is going to wear one of those fucking convictions. He has made his goddamn bed. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #1
He must be convicted on every count. jaxexpat Dec 2023 #16
I want to see the judge metaphorically slap the orange off of his stupid fucking ass. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #23
similar characters in history take their nations with them rampartc Dec 2023 #2
and what have we lost already? Still don't know the extent of missing docs, etc. Hell, we can't even get an un-redacted Evolve Dammit Dec 2023 #20
He uses kompromat as leverage, since repuQs are all compromised anyway EYESORE 9001 Dec 2023 #3
I agree that Trump has dirt on a lot of people, gab13by13 Dec 2023 #6
Yes, dersh getting a "massage" in his underwear from one of epstein's minor niyad Dec 2023 #11
Graham certainly appeared to have undergone an attitude adjustment EYESORE 9001 Dec 2023 #15
I don't fear a man that wears poopy diapers. Throw his ass in prison Meadowoak Dec 2023 #4
Clearly threats and intimidation are his only hope. Just like a mob boss. honest.abe Dec 2023 #5
I keep bringing this up because of a small taste I had of it 55 years ago. gab13by13 Dec 2023 #9
Ahh--another Trump is all-powerful thread. Kingofalldems Dec 2023 #7
My fear is that the courts will allow Trump to delay until after the election. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #8
Melania has a plan for stopping internet hate. She just needs to pull the trigger. twodogsbarking Dec 2023 #10
Who exactly are these enforcers and why aren't they in jail? LymphocyteLover Dec 2023 #12
Our neighbors and co-workers Delmette2.0 Dec 2023 #18
Yikes. It's just insane so many Americans would want to make threats to help this utter criminal lunatic LymphocyteLover Dec 2023 #22
When they see him lose again next year, it's all over FakeNoose Dec 2023 #13
Everything you wrote I agree with Farmer-Rick Dec 2023 #14
blackmail and bribery is how he got everything he didnt inherit. mopinko Dec 2023 #17
Our system has put mob bosses in prison. IMO the fear comes from the politics. D23MIURG23 Dec 2023 #19
Concise summary of how he tries to circumvent our judicial system Wild blueberry Dec 2023 #21
They Don't Fear Him ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #24

jaxexpat

(6,900 posts)
16. He must be convicted on every count.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:20 AM
Dec 2023

Any variance or failure to convict will be a crack in the necessary conclusion that he is undeniably guilty of betraying his office and the American people. If there are questions about any evidence those will be the foundation of denial by die-hards en masse. No misjudgement can be allowed. He and his cohorts must remain in prison until they die. They gambled and lost. It's time to pay up.

rampartc

(5,461 posts)
2. similar characters in history take their nations with them
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 09:52 AM
Dec 2023

bonaparte desvastated france before waterloo.
alcibiades lost the athenian fleet at syracuse. before he could be ostracized.

what will we lose? or will the secret service have to take the wheel (as caligula was finally dethroned.) . i would hate for america to end that way.

Evolve Dammit

(16,864 posts)
20. and what have we lost already? Still don't know the extent of missing docs, etc. Hell, we can't even get an un-redacted
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:41 AM
Dec 2023

Mueller report.

EYESORE 9001

(26,058 posts)
3. He uses kompromat as leverage, since repuQs are all compromised anyway
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 10:01 AM
Dec 2023

Rump knows the value of that information and set about collecting all he could find on each one of them. I believe that, to make it as a repuQ politician, party bosses must be the sole proprietors of this dirt. Should the cat get out of the bag, party apparatchiks will wash their hands of that individual.

gab13by13

(21,547 posts)
6. I agree that Trump has dirt on a lot of people,
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 10:30 AM
Dec 2023

I shouldn't speculate but people like Lindsey Graham appear off, Alan Dershowitz has been outspoken for Trump lately, wasn't his name in Epstein's black book?

EYESORE 9001

(26,058 posts)
15. Graham certainly appeared to have undergone an attitude adjustment
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:18 AM
Dec 2023

Almost like a switch had been flipped. And, you are correct about Dershowitz AFAIK.

honest.abe

(8,699 posts)
5. Clearly threats and intimidation are his only hope. Just like a mob boss.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 10:26 AM
Dec 2023

My fear is that it might work.

gab13by13

(21,547 posts)
9. I keep bringing this up because of a small taste I had of it 55 years ago.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 10:44 AM
Dec 2023

I led a group of townsfolks to our council meeting to protest stripping for coal and fracking for gas on our pristine watershed. Also, plans to build a coal cleaning plant in a flood plain. Some how I ended up being the spokesperson, it was the largest group of people to attend a council meeting. Yeah, my name made the front pages of our local newspapers and I ended up agreeing to run for council, and I won,

Long story short, I got death threats and a "goon squad" sat right behind my chair at every council meeting but I didn't back down because I had the people behind me, the fish commission behind me, and we ended up protecting our watershed, but I spent many sleepless nights, won't get into the details.

So from my experiences in my small town I got a taste what people are going through who take on Trump. It is fucking scary and there are so many brave people involved and we need to have their backs just like the townspeople had my back.

I think that E. Jean Carroll, with Robbie Kaplan is coming up to bat again next month. Hit him hard in his fat ass pocket book.

Lonestarblue

(10,227 posts)
8. My fear is that the courts will allow Trump to delay until after the election.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 10:38 AM
Dec 2023

He will appeal the immunity grounds to the full court if he loses, and then on to the Supreme Court. If he loses there, his lawyers will have another insane defense ready to go to start the rulings and appeals process all over again. Perhaps the only way around future claims is for the DC court to say that any future claims must be brought up at trial, and I have no knowledge of whether they can even do that.

twodogsbarking

(10,020 posts)
10. Melania has a plan for stopping internet hate. She just needs to pull the trigger.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 10:50 AM
Dec 2023

That was totally crass so apologize, sort of.

LymphocyteLover

(5,668 posts)
22. Yikes. It's just insane so many Americans would want to make threats to help this utter criminal lunatic
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 01:18 PM
Dec 2023

and traitor maintain power

FakeNoose

(32,985 posts)
13. When they see him lose again next year, it's all over
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:06 AM
Dec 2023

They'll also see him convicted multiple times in several courts. We're getting to the time where even DU will get bored with Chump. He's not powerful except for those who accept and relish the yoke of fear.

Farmer-Rick

(10,256 posts)
14. Everything you wrote I agree with
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:15 AM
Dec 2023

I just want to add that there are people who are right wing idiots and hate filled greedy billionaires who are NOT afraid of Trump.

Think the Koch Bros, Zuckerberg, Musk and Gates. Also Putin, Erdoğan, president of North Korea and King and Princes of Saudi. What does it say about a democratic country where their richest most successful citizens side with the enemies to democracy?

mopinko

(70,417 posts)
17. blackmail and bribery is how he got everything he didnt inherit.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:28 AM
Dec 2023

it’s the combo that’s the secret sauce.
he’ll fuck u, but he’ll kiss u 1st.

D23MIURG23

(2,852 posts)
19. Our system has put mob bosses in prison. IMO the fear comes from the politics.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:35 AM
Dec 2023

I think people are spooked by the political dimensions of this guy more than the death threats. There is no way to prosecute him without politics intruding in the courtroom in some way. They don't want to help him win, and if he does win, they don't want to end up in some gulag that he decides to create for political opponents. Probably most of all, judges don't want to see themselves as political henchmen.

Trump's whole trial defense is just to politicize as much as possible. He knows that accusations of improper politicization bring out the timidity in judges and law enforcement officials who are supposed to stay 'apolitical'.

Wild blueberry

(6,684 posts)
21. Concise summary of how he tries to circumvent our judicial system
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:43 AM
Dec 2023

He is really weak. He stinks. He cannot bear humor.
He can't last.
Our country, our democracy will survive with all our work.

ProfessorGAC

(65,535 posts)
24. They Don't Fear Him
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 07:54 PM
Dec 2023

They fear the movement, and not over physical harm.
They fear being primaried out of their cushy, high profile gigs.

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