Shlomo Karhi, Minister of Communications, says it straight out and clearly

[Nanjeanne]

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This part . . .

The historical estate of our ancestors. There will be no Palestinian state here. We will never allow another state to be established between the Jordan and the sea. We will never go back to Oslo.

Endless war, forever occupation, terror threats for Israelis and Palestinians. Somewhere there has to be hope. I just don't see it.

[David__77]

1. "From the river to the sea," he says.

[Nanjeanne]

2. Yes he does. Many of us know this is part of the Likud party platform ...

[NoRethugFriends]

8. many of us just make stuff up

[Nanjeanne]

9. WTF?

Are you implying I'm making up the 1977 election platform of the Likud party that states: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

[Nanjeanne]

12. I'm not trying to be cute. I'm trying to understand your comment which implies I'm making something up.

If you've something to say that's factual - by all means say it. I love a good discussion based on reality.

[leftstreet]

13. What is the poster making up?

Did you not read the OP?

[Nanjeanne]

14. We aren't going to get answers. It's just more disruptive silliness because they've nothing substantial to say.

[redqueen]

19. Somehow it's different

I guess.

[Goddessartist]

3. This makes me so sad.

How can people be so awful?

[sarisataka]

4. This shows why Likud

is not fit to lead Israel

[Nanjeanne]

7. Absolutely.

[gay texan]

5. "God says its cool"

It never ends....

[Happy Hoosier]

6. And we must repudiate that position. NT

[Autumn]

10. I think Gene Rodenberry made a couple of shows about these two peoples.

I'm sick of the whole thing and I've had it with both. Children should not be murdered to satisfy their hate.

[yagotme]

15. For a 2 state solution to work, BOTH states have to comply. nt

[Mosby]

16. His family is from Tunisia

There used to be about 105,000 Jews in Tunisia but due to harassment and attacks after 1948 almost all left for Israel and France. There are about a thousand Jews left in Tunisia now.

A lot of people don't know this, but the Likud party is majority Mizrahi, not Ashkenazi. They have very long memories.

[Nanjeanne]

17. Interesting. Thanks for the info.

[LeftInTX]

23. Ben-Gvir is also Mizrahi. So is the guy who killed PM Rabin.

Itamar Ben-Gvir was born in Mevaseret Zion. His father was born in Jerusalem to Iraqi Jewish immigrants. He worked at a gasoline company and dabbled in writing. His mother was a Kurdish Jewish immigrant who had been active in the Irgun as a teenager and was a homemaker. His family was secular, but as a teenager, he adopted religious and radical right-wing views during the First Intifada.


Yigal Amir was born in Herzliya to an Israeli Orthodox Yemenite Jewish family. In 1994, during his university studies, Amir met—and began a platonic relationship with—Nava Holtzman, a law student from an Orthodox Ashkenazi family. In January 1995, after five months, Holtzman ended the relationship after her parents objected due to Amir's Mizrahi background.[4]

[DavidDvorkin]

18. Not just Likud

The majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, not Ashkenazi.

[Nanjeanne]

20. I never really thought about it. My family is Ashkenazi including my family in Israel now.

[DavidDvorkin]

31. Same with me.

[Nanjeanne]

32. French, Russian, Hungarian and Swedish - You?

[DavidDvorkin]

33. Lithuanian, Lithuanian, and Lithuanian

And probably some other Slavic countries in there, too.

[LeftInTX]

22. I read on Quora that the nickname "Bibi" derives from Arabic habibi

Apparently many Mizrahi speak Arabic and Netanyahu has a large following of them.

It's just something I read and I don't know if it's accurate.

(There was a DU thread on Netanyahu's nickname)

[Nanjeanne]

21. And to add to it: Israeli ambassador TzipiHotovely rejects idea of a two-state solution "The answer is absolutely NO"

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[Sympthsical]

24. And he's deeply wrong for saying it

See how easy that is?

I don't have to make up excuses or twist myself into knots pretending he's saying something other than what he's clearly saying.

It's an amazing feeling. I recommend it for everyone.

[redqueen]

25. Should he be censured?

Should his resignation be demanded?

Should we threaten to withhold money until he's gone?

Would you call him Islamophobic?

[Sympthsical]

27. What do your own standards tell you?

I'm not the one who has defended or tried to explain away this rhetoric, so I'm not in an awkward position in condemning it.

I think the U.S. should leverage its money and power towards pressuring the Israeli government to halt and reverse West Bank settlements and work towards a two state solution. What form that takes I leave up to the State Department and President Biden.

With what power I have as a non-Israeli to condemn him, I do. Should he be gone? Certainly. Him and the rest of Likud can bounce. I encourage people in Israel with the power to effect this to do so. I'd say his attitudes towards Arabs are Islamophobic.

Just as we in America use our power and voice to affect what happens in our country.

Life really is easier when one is not endlessly apologizing for shitty things. It allows you to say and do the right things much more easily.

[redqueen]

28. I'm not apologizing for shitty things

Just trying to balance perspective and find out how these things are viewed.

I know that not all the students using that saying intend it to be a call for genocide and antisemitic, and I hope they will listen and come up with something new that doesn't offend people. In the meantime, I hope those who are offended can restrain themselves from calling everyone who says it or defends those who do antisemitic, a hamas supporter, etc.

[Sympthsical]

29. I realize defenses of "from the river to the sea" must make the situation awkward

This doesn't feel like a me problem, tho.

[Faux pas]

26. Kickin' with DISGUST

and

[Frasier Balzov]

30. Gaza was the best experiment in what a two-state solution looks like.

And despite being monitored for persistent misbehavior, it was a failure.