Part 50: Symbols of Faith in Santa Ana - Our Lady of Guadalupe and the Meaning of Devotion

[ellisonz]

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By Zachary Ellison
December 11, 2023

Last month during the search for formerly missing person Ramón Balderrama (more on that story to come) I visited Ernest E. Debs Park in Highland Park to try and narrow down the search area as we awaited new tips and information. During my visit to the park, named after the late Assemblymember, Councilman and Supervisor, Ernest Eugene Debs, of no relation to American socialist former Presidential candidate Eugene Victor Debs, I spotted a very interesting piece of art that should have rang some very important warning bells before making it to the Internet.

The painting of the Our Lady of Guadalupe, an apparition of the Virgin Mary sits at the top of the park along the roadway on concrete in front of the bench with a commanding view of the Arroyo Seco and Los Angeles. My girlfriend insisted that it was the Virgin Mary herself, even as I tried to explain that I didn’t think it was quite that simple. The following day offloading the footage, I found the clip of myself slowing walking across the image GoPro camera in hand and put some gospel music on it and uploaded it to YouTube as the “Virgin Mary of Debs Park, LA.”

Link: https://zacharyellison.substack.com/p/part-50-symbols-of-faith-in-santa

[stopdiggin]

1. thinking this fairly clearly belongs in one of the religion forums? -(nt)-

[ellisonz]

2. Actually no...you'll have to read it before judging :)

Considering that we are in the middle of a War in the Middle East and Trump is threatening a return it's apropos. Also this is one of the worlds biggest holidays most Americans don't know much about.

Plus this just happened at Disneyland:

‘I hate Mexicans,’ woman shouts at mother in viral video from Disneyland
BY NATHAN SOLISSTAFF WRITER
DEC. 11, 2023 4:51 PM PT

After a video went viral showing a woman shouting “I hate Mexicans” in a Disneyland parking lot bathroom, a man was arrested while protesting outside her San Bernardino County home over the weekend, authorities said.

Eva Ramirez confronted the woman for making racist comments toward her and her 2-year-old son for speaking Spanish as they were heading into the Anaheim theme park on Tuesday, according to an Instagram post from Ramirez, who recorded part of the encounter.

Link: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-12-11/racist-rant-caught-on-video-inside-disneyland-bathroom

[stopdiggin]

22. Did. And it's still hard to argue that a header bearing, " .. And the Meaning of Devotion"

is heading anywhere else ...
Adoration of the saints, is just so clearly ...

[ellisonz]

23. Here's the simplified version from a follower...

To have the name Guadalupe, I
feel empowered
Today, I dedicate such a
powerful entity of *my*
culture, to the children in
Congo, to the children in Yemen

And most importantly to the
children and mothers in Gaza.

- Guadalupe Velazquez (2023)

Sometimes we need to talk about these issues….🤔📝🧠

[Celerity]

3. sigh

My girlfriend insisted that it was the Virgin Mary herself

[ellisonz]

6. You can't win those types of arguments...

Except with a columna 🤔📰

[Autumn]

4. This is clearly religion. Is flogging your blog allowed in GD?

[ellisonz]

5. Did you read the column?

The second half is all politics - Donald Trump and Nury Martinez. If the Mods need to send this to a sub forum that’s their job. Also I do think that DU should allow discussions about major cultural issues. Journalism is good when I go out and get the story. And Democrats want the Latino vote?

You can even help me flog my blog lol

[Autumn]

7. I have no interest in reading anything about religion.

[Celerity]

9. what about 'Thee Psychick Temple ov Celerity' ?

(apologies and RIP to Genesis P-Orridge, lol)



Psychic TV – The Orchids

Label: CBS – XPS-189
Format: 2 x Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM, Special Edition, White Label
Country: UK
Released: 1983
Genre: Rock
Style: Acoustic, Avantgarde, Experimental

[Autumn]

10. I do like video art and music. But I draw the line on talking to "dead virgins" etc.

&t=16s

[Celerity]

12. what about live ones?

[Autumn]

13. Well at my age I don't know any.

[Celerity]

16. well, I think we both would be shocked if we actually could tell (ones above the legal age of consent)

Incels running riot

(literally unfortunately in far too many cases)

[ellisonz]

14. It's a conversation.

At very least after reading this you’ll know a whole lot more about Mexican culture.

?feature=shared

[Autumn]

15. My mothers parents were migrants from Mexico. I think I know plenty

about the Mexican culture.

[ellisonz]

18. So you should know very well that today is...

…a big day. Just talked with the young man doing tree trimming here today about this and you should have seen the smile! 😄😁

Would you have objected to my Thanksgiving piece about missing persons on the grounds that it celebrated the Pilgrims too much? What if I posted a Merry Christmas post?

Asking for a friend! 😅🫠

[Autumn]

19. It's easy to do one without the other. For some reason this is allowed so you have

a nice day. I'll just trash the OP. By the way, today is the Holiday Food Drive for Needy Animals Day. Your Op has nothing to do with that.

[ellisonz]

20. You are missing the point!

I just got the most beautiful poem about this post from a new follower:

To have the name Guadalupe, I
feel empowered
Today, I dedicate such a
powerful entity of *my*
culture, to the children in
Congo, to the children in Yemen

And most importantly to the
children and mothers in Gaza.

👏💯📝🙏📰👌🇲🇽

[Celerity]

17. great album! I love a lot of the late 70s to late 80s avant garde industrial/experimental/pagan/satanic freak out choons

a banger:

Current 93 - Beausoleil

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. I read it.

Journalism is good when I go out and get the story.

It's not clear to me what the story is.

[ellisonz]

11. Censorship

And how that works in our modern internet life! Also I’m convinced most White Americans know very little about Mexico and it’s culture other than tacos and margaritas.

It’s a subtle argument. I’m not trying to hit people over the head with religion, but rather get them thinking about Internet culture and how that intersects with current US politics!

[ellisonz]

21. From a follower who gets it:

To have the name Guadalupe, I
feel empowered
Today, I dedicate such a
powerful entity of *my*
culture, to the children in
Congo, to the children in Yemen

And most importantly to the
children and mothers in Gaza.

[ificandream]

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