Do Tr**p Loyalists & MAGA's Think Tr**p's Autocratic Governing Won't Affect Them If He Wins?.....

[global1]

If Tr**p wins back the presidency in 2024 and institutes his autocratic administration - whatever dictates he establishes will not only impact on the Dems - but will impact on all Americans.

Many of the freedoms and benefits we have now as Americans - Tr**p will change.

Those Americans that voted for Tr**p won't be given special dispensation from his policies just because they voted for Tr**P and their lives will suffer as much as those of us that didn't vote for Tr**p.

How is is that Tr**p Loyalists and MAGA's don't understand the effect of that impact on their lives and the lives of their families?

Do they really want to live under a Tr**p autocratic regime?

What am I missing?

Shouldn't we be pointing out to them this impact on their freedoms and lives should Tr**p win?

[grumpyduck]

1. I do believe the operative word here is "think."

So many of them refuse to do so.

[riversedge]

56. Well said.

[Swede]

2. All the cult wants is for Trump to hate the people that they hate.

He doesn't need policies, he doesn't have to go to the debates. They know who and what he is, and are yearning for part 2 of the Trump era.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

53. magat suckers/losers think he & his top autocrats don't loathe and mock them. . . . nt

[hlthe2b]

3. His ardent supporters don't think past watching those they have been brainwashed to hate/fear

suffer under Trump and his ilk. It is a sick obsession with stark parallels to the German people standing by as willing observers as the NAZIs conducted the holocaust against the Jews and later others deemed "state enemies."

[Voltaire2]

4. As long as migrants are harmed, women denied reproductive rights, trans people persecuted,

and 'criminals' dealt with harshly, they are fine with all of it.

Do they want to live under an autocratic regime? Yes. That is why they have supported this shithead from the start.

[redqueen]

5. They vote based on greed, fear, and hate.

Reason doesn't enter the picture at any point in the decision-making process

[keithbvadu2]

6. Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the few thousand elites

Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the few thousand elites actually in charge.

Those millions are useful tools for those who will actually be in charge.

One poster called it a 'new social feudalism age'.

[gratuitous]

7. I think Crystal Minton summed it up for us

Back in 2019:

The shutdown on top of the hurricane has caused Ms. Minton to rethink a lot of things."I voted for him, and he's the one who's doing this," she said of Mr. Trump. "I thought he was going to do good things. He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."

"Good things" meaning that as president, the defendant needed to be hurting people, people not named Crystal Minton.

[tblue37]

8. Remember during his first term, when a Trump voter in Florida whose Mexican husband was being deported complained,

"He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting!"

The shutdown on top of the hurricane has caused Ms. Minton to rethink a lot of things."I voted for him, and he's the one who's doing this," she said of Mr. Trump. "I thought he was going to do good things. He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."

[This comment] captures an amazing perspective: some Trump voters expected the Republican to punish some people if elected, but they assumed they'd be spared. Trump would hurt those people, the sentiment went, but not us.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-voter-hes-not-hurting-the-people-he-needs-be-hurting-msna1181316

[Coventina]

34. I immediately thought of her as well.

"I didn't think he'd eat MY face!!!"

On edit: typo

[Celerity]

43. Where does it say that she (Crystal Minton) had a Mexican husband who was being deported?

I have never seen that claimed

in fact, from your own link:

A few miles away, another prison employee, Crystal Minton, accompanied her fiancé to a friend's house to help clear the remnants of a metal roof mangled by the hurricane. Ms. Minton, a 38-year-old secretary, said she had obtained permission from the warden to put off her Mississippi duty until early February because she is a single mother caring for disabled parents. Her fiancé plans to take vacation days to look after Ms. Minton's 7-year-old twins once she has to go to work.The shutdown on top of the hurricane has caused Ms. Minton to rethink a lot of things."I voted for him, and he's the one who's doing this," she said of Mr. Trump. "I thought he was going to do good things. He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."

[tblue37]

46. It's not in the piece I found, but I was remembering it from having read

about it when it happened.

[Celerity]

47. I do not think it was the case.

[tblue37]

48. You might be right. I could have conflated two different stories

in my memory, since both embodied the idea that people who supported the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party were shocked when the Leopards ate their faces.

[Midnight Writer]

9. I especially wonder about his wealthy supporters.

In our capitalist system, the wealthy are at the very top of the food chain.

They get every possible benefit from our laws, from our social hierarchy, from our economy.

Why in the world would these oligarchs risk their privileged positions by supporting a mentally unstable dictator-wanna-be?

Don't they know that in an authoritarian system they are at the mercy of the whims of Donald J. Trump?

Do they not know that Trump is jealous of their money, their properties, their happiness? Do they not know what history has taught us about petty despots with expanded powers?

The system, as is, works very well for them. Why in the world do they want to upend the apple cart and destroy the institutions that give them their power?

[harumph]

20. I wonder about that too. I guess they think they're

being "edgy." I also think about the psychology of people who are wealthy solely because they inherited a substantial sum of money or assets. People who often are secretly insecure as to the provenance of the $$ and compensate by styling themselves as
edgy paradigm shattering investors. People who are incurious about the lives of those surviving without material wealth.To top it off, many common folk like to fantasize about being 'those' people which adds to the toxic mindset. There is nothing so disheartening
than to be at a party of wealthy youngsters and to behold their paucity of imagination. Triangle of Sadness indeed.

IMO, this country is running off of the fumes of a more competent (if not equitable) past, and is going to encounter
what is termed a severe correction. No amount of walls, gated communities or private security will protect
such people if things really go belly up. I would rather watch it from afar - but I suppose I'll be made to suffer alongside the goons.

[Voltaire2]

49. He's one of them and they want an authoritarian regime.

They are terrified of the demographics. They know that without a radical change, the Republican Party is doomed.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

10. Will he protect my RIGHT to have/own guns?

Under a Dictatorship, NO ONE is allowed Gun Ownership! For without the 1st Amendment, there is NO 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on down the line.

NO ONE in Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Poland are allowed private Citizen ownership of guns. Nor do they have the right to Legal Counsel, to Free Speech, freedom of Assembly, freedom of the Press, freedom of political parties, property ownership, etc.

MAGAts who voted for him will find out the hard way that there is no distinction. They too will suffer big time when all that they thought they held dear is gone. They are that STUPID to think they will be spared.

[global1]

23. All This Time They Were Concerned That The Left Would Take Their Guns - When.....

it is more likely that a Tr**p Right Wing Autocratic Administration would be the ones that would ultimately take their guns.

The NRA is an example: You can't have a gun at an NRA meeting.

Do they really think a Dictator would allow them to have a gun?

[ProudMNDemocrat]

28. My point in so many words.

No way would Dipshit allow gun ownership when they could be used against him or his Cadre of wanna-bes.

[bdamomma]

37. True

about the guns, dictators don't even trust their own people, can you imagine if the 91 counts felon confiscates guns from his Maga cult???

[usonian]

11. K&R to the max.

Thank you all for stating my thoughts exactly.

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!

As more people come to the same conclusions, we’ll crush the now-defunct GOP Gang of Putin Zombie party in 2024.

[BComplex]

13. Autocrats don't allow the unwashed masses to own AK-47s, and all the other guns they can buy.

He'll blame it on the liberals, of course, but make no mistake! It will be the end of everyone's ability to buy an arsenal.

[Kennah]

14. As Francis 'Psycho' Soyer said:

[Deep State Witch]

15. This.

They want a green light to start shooting us.

[Mysterian]

16. Trump supporters are stupid, gullible people

who have been brainwashed into thinking they are the only true patriots.

They would destroy democracy and surrender every right fought for by generations of Americans and still believe they are the true patriots. They will not listen to reason and they must be defeated by those who wish to save the constitution and the republic it enshrines.

[dwayneb]

18. Dead on

If Trump takes power we will be in a civil war. That is a fact.

[global1]

24. Someone Needs To Compile A Listing Of How Tr**p Loyalists Lives Will Be Changed Should He Win.....

Here are just some examples:

What will happen to Medicare and Social Security?
What about Unions?
We all know what is happening with respect to Women's Rights and control of their own bodies?
Birth control?
What other books will be banned?
LGBTQ rights?
Voting and voters rights?
.......................... etc. The list would go on and on.

There are countless things that will be rolled back and/or taken away. Those things are going to impact - even on those that voted for Tr**p.

Seems to me a good campaign ad would be a listing of how their lives will be impacted if Tr**p actually is able to achieve a second chance at running things.

Please add to this list in this thread.

[bdamomma]

38. Climate change

which is at our doorstep now.

I shudder to think no DU?????

[Chainfire]

17. A lot of Americans want a big, tough daddy figure in charge.

They want to roll back the clock to the day when white Christians ruled with an iron fist, and women and minorities knew their place.
They believe that a Trump dictatorship would help them rid the nation of all of the undesirables. There are a significant number of hateful Americans that are eaten up with a bad case of the dumb ass.

[republianmushroom]

19. Answer to the question. Nope, they can't think that far in the future.

[Johonny]

21. Most of Hitler's early followers

Ended up dead or in concentration camps.

[Voltaire2]

50. I don't think that is accurate.

There was a purge after Hitler took power. They got rid of the more radically working class SA faction. But the SA was never the majority faction in the party, and only the leadership got murdered.

[Johonny]

57. If you read the rise and fall of the third reich

Almost everyone gets a sticky ending.

[Efilroft Sul]

22. Trump's not running for a second, 4-year presidential term. Rather, he's running for a permanent, absolute reign.

And to his loyalists who gave up on democracy a long time ago, that's just jim dandy. Until their names end up on the proscription lists.

[bdamomma]

41. He's looking

at not going to PRISON. Hopefully, between now and Nov 2024, he will be wearing orange.

[2naSalit]

25. Too bad we can't...

Do like desatan and put them on planes and ship them to Belarus and russia and North Korea.

[GreenWave]

26. They do not care if they have to eat horse poop for breakfast

as long as we have nothing.

This also explains their shit eating grins each time they are caught in a lie.

[Ocelot II]

27. Some people have to learn the hard way...

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller

[Tom Rinaldo]

29. Plenty of people are OK with living under a dictator

A dictator who they believe shares their values and favors their group, that is. Hitler had millions of supporters AFTER he became a dictator. Same with Putin, same in Iran, in Hungary, in Turkey etc.

What Democrats have to do is convince enough of those who are not down with dictators that Trump is planning to become one. There will always be a sizable minority who support the concept of a Strong Man. But the majority of Americans are not predisposed in that direction if the choice is articulated clearly enough.

[bdamomma]

44. Such

disrespect to all of those who fought and died to keep us a Republic.

I don't want our adversaries laughing and celebrating the end of Democracy esp. Putin.

[peggysue2]

30. Think most MAGA members do, in fact, believe they'll be immune from a Trump Red Caesar presidency

It's what happens when you're unaware of or willfully indifferent to the lessons of history.

Believe it, now. Or regret it later bc Agent Orange is an equal opportunity hater and revenge-meister, as are the leaders he most admires.

[Diamond_Dog]

31. I really think they aren't worried about losing their health insurance or Soc Sec and Medicare

Because he has them convinced he will replace it with something better!

[bdamomma]

42. Yea like

when he told people to drink bleach to stop Covid. Or called it a hoax, when millions of Americans died.

[getagrip_already]

32. Well, once they see for real...

No health insurance, no food assistance, no child care assistance, no bankruptcy protection, no interest rate restrictions, no usery laws - including being debt being passed onto your children, debtors prisons, return of indentured servitude, asset seizures without cause, men being arrested to free their wives up for abuse, organized crime run by local officials, shakedown for protection, special taxes...

All the privelages of living in a world run by thugs with no accountability and who won't be you.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

35. Can't believe this needs explanation.

How is is that Tr**p Loyalists and MAGA's don't understand the effect of that impact on their lives and the lives of their families?

It's the Niemöller Syndrome:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

They don't think it will happen to them. Until it does.

Do they really want to live under a Tr**p autocratic regime?

Yes. As long as it hurts the people they hate, they're all in on it.

What am I missing?

That way too many Americans are stupid and bigoted enough to be okay with autocracy, as long as it doesn't hurt them.

Glad I could help.

[Voltaire2]

51. That describes how 'good Germans' did nothing

to stop the fascists. It does not apply to the millions of Germans who actively supported the Nazis. They enthusiastically supported the oppression of all of the ‘others’, the Jews the gays the socialists, they were fine with all of it.

[moondust]

36. They take freedom for granted.

Most of them anyway. Many have probably never understood what it would be like to live in a dictatorship.

[Captain Zero]

55. In a Dictatorship, the only free person is

The Dictator.

[Hekate]

39. Of course they do, & what a shock they will have. I recall from early in TFG's term, one half-witted adherent...

… wailed, “He’s hurting the wrong people!” She was among those who thought they would be elevated and their dreams would come true.

What would happen this time around is that all people would be degraded, but half-wits like that one would be allowed to look down on all the “others” in America, and men would be able to look down on women.

The ignorance is astounding — the craving for vengeance and retribution even more so.

[shrike3]

40. Of course they think that.

They're the "good people." Nothing'll happen to them.

[Initech]

45. Nope, because they have no idea how an autocracy works.

And it's not a good thing by any stretch of the imagination.

[no_hypocrisy]

52. The least of these changes will be the resurrection of "Loyalty Oaths".

IOW, loyalty to Trump.

In 1980, I had to recite and sign a "loyalty oath" to the United States and its Constitution before I was granted a state teaching license. Imagine loyalty oaths for just about anything: opening a bank account, joining a private club, job interviews, etc. And knowing you can be ejected, fired, etc. for violation of that oath.

[jmbar2]

54. A lot of his support comes from Talebangelicals who think they will control the 7 mountains of power

They don't necessarily like Trump, but see them as the flawed vessel that will open the gates to power for them.

Since they believe that they are being favored by God, and God makes no mistakes, they see no possible drawbacks to their own ability to rule the world. They are giddy with anticipation of it.