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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,585 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 04:29 PM Dec 2023

Liz Cheney would rather see Democrats win in 2024

Former Republican Rep. Liz Cheney would rather cede power to Democrats than see members of her own party win in 2024, she said, calling a Republican majority a “threat,” and warning of an existential crisis leading up to next year's election.

“I believe very strongly in those principles and ideals that have defined the Republican Party, but the Republican Party of today has made a choice and they haven't chosen the Constitution, and so I do think it presents a threat if the Republicans are in the majority in January 2025,” the Wyoming Republican said during an interview with CBS, when asked whether she would prefer a Democratic majority in 2025.

Once the No. 3 leader of the House Republican Conference, Cheney was booted from her role and later lost her seat after bucking her party to take a stand against former President Donald Trump in the wake of the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection.

Cheney overwhelmingly alienated members after refusing to tamper her criticisms of the former president in the weeks and months following the insurrection — unlike the then-leader of the caucus, Kevin McCarthy, who quickly returned to Trump’s side after initially condemning him for his role in the riot. Cheney became the top Republican on the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack. In 2022, she lost in the primary for her Wyoming seat.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/liz-cheney-rather-see-democrats-183134826.html

Your daddy can't be too happy with you right now.

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Liz Cheney would rather see Democrats win in 2024 (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2023 OP
Democrats are good for democracy. Beartracks Dec 2023 #1
I wouldn't be surprised if her father agreed with her. David__77 Dec 2023 #2
Similar thoughts. I think a lot of republicans would rather than the orange man monster (mobster). n/t RKP5637 Dec 2023 #4
"Your daddy can't be too happy with you right now." TwilightZone Dec 2023 #3
Dick Cheney is just pissed because Trump was better at abusing his power. Aristus Dec 2023 #10
ALL OF THIS... because Liz and her Daddy's NEOCON movement was destroyed. WarGamer Dec 2023 #5
I doubt Jeb would have incited an insurrection and Liz Cheney stood against J6. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2023 #7
I disagree. WarGamer Dec 2023 #19
It took tremendous courage to do what Liz Cheney did, gab13by13 Dec 2023 #26
Just to remind you... WarGamer Dec 2023 #29
Rachel Maddow will be interviewing Liz Cheney tomorrow. IcyPeas Dec 2023 #6
Thanks for the heads-up. That should be a good one. EarnestPutz Dec 2023 #14
Hope Rachel might talk Liz into making some anti-R TV ads. KS Toronado Dec 2023 #16
And... 2naSalit Dec 2023 #18
Her father went with her the last time she stood up to Congress. I think he's on Team Liz. nt pnwmom Dec 2023 #8
Dick Cheney involved in Bush 2000 election theft GoreWon2000 Dec 2023 #24
I think 20 years is long enough for him to have changed his mind, pnwmom Dec 2023 #28
As would any sentient being senseandsensibility Dec 2023 #9
Fine, but the she is firmly ANTI-CHOICE! I have little further use for her if she gets back in Congress. Sorry, Liz... CTyankee Dec 2023 #11
Then she should be a true patriot and drop herself on the grenade that is RICO Cheezoholic Dec 2023 #12
Not surprising bucolic_frolic Dec 2023 #13
Old school Republicans need a strong Democratic economy to take advantage of. haele Dec 2023 #15
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin ......... Upthevibe Dec 2023 #17
Kick dalton99a Dec 2023 #20
Cheney "alienated" republicans? robbob Dec 2023 #21
Well Romney said he would rather see a Democrat rather than Trump airplaneman Dec 2023 #22
Maybe she got her mind right NT Patton French Dec 2023 #23
But she wont say she'll vote for them jcgoldie Dec 2023 #25
Look Jilly_in_VA Dec 2023 #27

RKP5637

(67,073 posts)
4. Similar thoughts. I think a lot of republicans would rather than the orange man monster (mobster). n/t
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 04:42 PM
Dec 2023

TwilightZone

(25,405 posts)
3. "Your daddy can't be too happy with you right now."
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 04:38 PM
Dec 2023

On the contrary, he shares her belief that the party has been hijacked. Dick's a traditional conservative in a lot of ways, and he's none too pleased to see the Trumpification of the GOP.

Example: "“In our nation’s 246-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” the former vice president says in the 60-second spot released Thursday. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him.”"

“He is a coward. A real man wouldn’t lie to his supporters. He lost his election and he lost big. I know it, he knows it and, deep down, I think most Republicans know it,” Cheney says.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/politics/dick-cheney-donald-trump-coward-wyoming-primary/index.html

Aristus

(66,237 posts)
10. Dick Cheney is just pissed because Trump was better at abusing his power.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 05:23 PM
Dec 2023

As corrosive, cynical, and unstatesmanlike as Dickhead was, Trump was worse.

I thought his dinner theater with the wheelchair in order not to have to stand up during Obama’s inauguration was the depth of political douchebaggery.

Trump left him in the dust.

WarGamer

(12,244 posts)
5. ALL OF THIS... because Liz and her Daddy's NEOCON movement was destroyed.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 04:43 PM
Dec 2023

She agrees with 99% of Trump's policies but she's upset because her people are gone to the trash bin of history.


Make no mistake, if Jeb! had won in 2016 and pulled the J6 bullshit, Liz Cheney would have been on the steps of the Capitol holding a "Stop the Steal" banner...

Fuck Liz Cheney and fuck Trump for making people on MY SIDE salivate and drool over Liz Cheney who is a loathsome and despicable scumbag.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,216 posts)
7. I doubt Jeb would have incited an insurrection and Liz Cheney stood against J6.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 04:54 PM
Dec 2023

Your prediction goes against what has been demonstrated.

Cheney's policies are abhorrent to me, but she has demonstrated her support for democracy and the rule of law.

WarGamer

(12,244 posts)
19. I disagree.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 09:45 PM
Dec 2023

Liz Cheney has shown ONLY opposition to Trump.

I have ZERO confidence as to her loyalty to Democracy if the perpetrator was anyone other than Trump.

The anger of Liz Cheney is 100% anti-Trumpism.

NOTHING more.

And like I said... she supports 99% of Trump actions and policies.

Just LOOK at her voting record.

gab13by13

(21,192 posts)
26. It took tremendous courage to do what Liz Cheney did,
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 01:57 PM
Dec 2023

What other Republicans have stood up against Trump? When one crosses Trump he/she is going to get death threats.

I had a taste of speaking truth to power 50 years ago when I was on my small town's borough council protecting our pristine watershed. I got death threats in my small town and I spent many sleepless nights.

Walk a mile in Liz Cheney's shoes before you condemn her. As you say, her party, the Republican party is dead and she is one of the most outspoken critics of Trump and the Magat party.

I bet Trump cracks a smile when people condemn Liz.

WarGamer

(12,244 posts)
29. Just to remind you...
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 12:45 AM
Dec 2023

You and I agree with Liz Cheney on precisely ONE political topic.

Trump.

Liz Cheney agrees with Trump on 99% of policies.

But OUR reasons are different than Liz's reason.

IMHO... Liz has no allegiance to Democracy. She'd be quite happy with an Authoritarian GOP as long as "her folks" were running it.

Liz Cheney... and Bill Kristol... and Rick Wilson... and Steve Schmidt... hate Trump for different reasons than you and I.

They oppose Trump because he destroyed 50+ YEARS worth of work.

This is all about the death of neoconservatism.

This might bore most of my friends here... but it's a great read.

The Brookings Institution held a discussion panel with Bill Kristol, EJ Dionne Jr and others in 2010 talking about the origins and evolution of neoconservatism and the power it held in American politics.

Understand neoconservatism and it's major players, including the Bush and Cheney families and you'll understand why they all HATE Trump today.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/20100513_neoconservatism.pdf

KS Toronado

(17,094 posts)
16. Hope Rachel might talk Liz into making some anti-R TV ads.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 06:50 PM
Dec 2023

The DNC should be asking all the big name Republican never Тяцмpers to make TV ads educating
the public why Democracy can not afford their preferred party this election cycle coming up.

2naSalit

(86,244 posts)
18. And...
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 08:24 PM
Dec 2023

On with Nichole Wallace on Tuesday.

They will have good questions, I trust.

I'm especially interested in seeing the conversation between Liz and Rachel when they get to the part where they both agree on a few points. That should be interesting and powerful.

GoreWon2000

(64 posts)
24. Dick Cheney involved in Bush 2000 election theft
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 01:44 PM
Dec 2023

Dick Cheney's hypocrisy knows no bounds. He was up to his eyeballs helping Bush steal the 2000 election in Florida. The media's silence on Cheney's election stealing hypocrisy is deafening.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
28. I think 20 years is long enough for him to have changed his mind,
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 05:28 PM
Dec 2023

especially when it comes to supporting his daughter over Trump.

CTyankee

(63,860 posts)
11. Fine, but the she is firmly ANTI-CHOICE! I have little further use for her if she gets back in Congress. Sorry, Liz...
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 05:45 PM
Dec 2023

Cheezoholic

(1,995 posts)
12. Then she should be a true patriot and drop herself on the grenade that is RICO
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 05:45 PM
Dec 2023

and run as an independent conservative. She'd guarantee Biden win.

bucolic_frolic

(42,941 posts)
13. Not surprising
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 06:12 PM
Dec 2023

Old time Republicans - Main Street, pro-business - are doing well under Joe Biden. The economy is humming, productivity is up, jobs are good, and profits are fat. Only beef is with Democratic social issues, and I think some are becoming convinced that ship sailed. At least she has principles, many of which I don't agree with, but most Republicans don't have any.

haele

(12,621 posts)
15. Old school Republicans need a strong Democratic economy to take advantage of.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 06:22 PM
Dec 2023

Every single time the GOP won big in the 20th century was after an economic recovery or uptick spurred on by Democrats. Then they run that economy into the ground while gutting the government and scooping up pretty much every spare nickel they can suck from lower and middle class taxpayers, all while banking their tax breaks.
The Cheneys need the Democrats to stabilize the US economy.

Haele

Upthevibe

(7,936 posts)
17. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin .........
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 06:51 PM
Dec 2023

Thanks for the post.

As much as I dislike Dick Cheney, my understanding is that he truly can't stand dt and is supportive of his daughter.

robbob

(3,520 posts)
21. Cheney "alienated" republicans?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:17 PM
Dec 2023

No, no, no. It’s the Repug party, and all those who support that orange monster who have alienated THEMSELVES from civil, polite society. To say you have alienated others by speaking the truth implies some fault to the truth speaker. It would be like saying you’ve “alienated” yourself from Ted Bundy by telling him murdering women is abhorrent behaviour.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
22. Well Romney said he would rather see a Democrat rather than Trump
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 07:10 PM
Dec 2023

Except for Biden in which case he will probably vote for Trump instead.
-Airplane

Jilly_in_VA

(9,915 posts)
27. Look
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 02:19 PM
Dec 2023

I cannot stand Dick Cheney, both on a personal and political level (I knew him just enough at UW when he was a grad student), but he IS an old style conservative and NOT any kind of MAGAt by any means, and neither is Liz. She did urge everyone to vote Democratic last night on Rachel's show, unless I was hearing wrong. So, I give him a (grudging) break, and so should you. You can hate him on another day.

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