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Tom of Temecula

(1,064 posts)
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 10:50 AM Nov 2023

Trump finally pins the blame on Putin in new bid to stay out of jail

For years, former President Donald Trump has avoided agreeing with intelligence assessments that Russian President Vladimir Putin interfered on his behalf during the 2016 presidential election. Most infamously, Trump rejected the American intelligence community's assessment about Russia's actions at a press conference in Helsinki, Finland where he stood next to Putin and said, "President Putin says it's not Russia, I don't see any reason why it would be."

But it seems that Trump will actually blame Putin for 2016 election interference if doing so will help keep him out of prison. Politico's Kyle Cheney flags a legal filing by Trump's attorneys this week in which they dispute special counsel Jack Smith's claims that Trump has damaged Americans' faith in the electoral system by essentially arguing that Putin did it first.

"The Special Counsel's Office falsely alleges that President Trump 'eroded public faith in the administration of the election,'" the filing states. "The 2016 [Intelligence Community Assessment] uses strikingly similar language to attribute the origins of that erosion to foreign influence -- that is, foreign efforts to 'undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process.'"

The filing went on to argue that "President Trump is entitled to the detailed information supporting the conclusions in the 2016 Election ICA... in order to demonstrate to a jury that he did not create or cause the environment that the prosecution seeks to blame him for." What Trump's lawyers leave out is the fact that Trump openly encouraged Russia to hack political rival Hillary Clinton's email server and release her private communications.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-putin-2666375855/

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Trump finally pins the blame on Putin in new bid to stay out of jail (Original Post) Tom of Temecula Nov 2023 OP
Sounds like Trump wants the ICA report underpants Nov 2023 #1
Absolutely. Trump has given Putin everything else. yardwork Nov 2023 #2
+1 dalton99a Nov 2023 #7
Russia's been our foe for ages. Putin's our adversary. Of course he's going to malign democracy! CrispyQ Nov 2023 #3
Biden should use that photo in campaign ads. yardwork Nov 2023 #8
Yes, definitely. As the old saw goes, a picture is a thousand words. KPN Nov 2023 #22
This picture says it all. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #9
comment of the day!!!n/t k55f5r Nov 2023 #13
I've always wondered if Donnie was standing on his knees in that photo erronis Nov 2023 #15
I like this pic better. canuckledragger Nov 2023 #17
Uh-oh. El Cloaca's gonna get called to the boss' office. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2023 #4
Meet me on the top floor lame54 Nov 2023 #6
What did Mueller say ? Oh yeh ... dweller Nov 2023 #5
This has nothing to do with the Smith investigation. Thunderbeast Nov 2023 #10
Gonna be fundraising on his need to hire a food taster... Wounded Bear Nov 2023 #11
and a 'window opener' Attilatheblond Nov 2023 #19
So ... collusive non-collusion in the midst of non-espionage espionagism bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #12
What gives? democrank Nov 2023 #14
Maybe the checks didn't come in the mail? Attilatheblond Nov 2023 #20
..."he did not create or cause the environment"... but he sure has embellished it. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #16
Unmask the Mueller Report Aviation Pro Nov 2023 #18
The case against TFG is about false claims of a stolen election; Martin Eden Nov 2023 #21

CrispyQ

(36,383 posts)
3. Russia's been our foe for ages. Putin's our adversary. Of course he's going to malign democracy!
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 11:02 AM
Nov 2023

As president of the United States, your job was to stand up to the little tyrant, not let him put a leash on you & parade you around the world as his pet.



They are grasping at straws.

yardwork

(61,514 posts)
8. Biden should use that photo in campaign ads.
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 12:00 PM
Nov 2023

It demonstrates how weak Trump is. Focusing on Trump's weakness is the way to win.

Irish_Dem

(46,193 posts)
9. This picture says it all.
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 12:02 PM
Nov 2023

Putin let Trump know in no uncertain terms it was time to pay the piper.

erronis

(15,107 posts)
15. I've always wondered if Donnie was standing on his knees in that photo
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 12:39 PM
Nov 2023

He should be several inches above pute's head. Guess he just finished a "job".

Buns_of_Fire

(17,138 posts)
4. Uh-oh. El Cloaca's gonna get called to the boss' office.
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 11:04 AM
Nov 2023

"I am distressed that you blame me for your own inadequacies," said the CEO of Putin, Inc. "Come, let's enjoy a cup of tea and discuss it."

dweller

(23,592 posts)
5. What did Mueller say ? Oh yeh ...
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 11:13 AM
Nov 2023

Report doesn't exonerate Trump, Mueller testifies, and he could be charged after leaving office
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-robert-mueller-testify-capitol-hill/story?id=64508660
Key moments included Mueller saying his report did not exonerate the president as Trump has claimed and contending he could be charged after leaving office.

But he also did not answer many questions, frustrating both Republicans, who tried to discredit his probe, and Democrats who pressed him on whether he had left it to Congress whether to pursue impeachment, believing that Justice Department policy prevented him from indicting a sitting president.


Getting there …



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Thunderbeast

(3,395 posts)
10. This has nothing to do with the Smith investigation.
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 12:02 PM
Nov 2023

TFG is using discovery in this case to expose the people that implicated him in the Mueller investigation. His fever dream is to use his re-gained Presidential power for retribution against any disloyal players in that chapter of his criminality.

bucolic_frolic

(42,935 posts)
12. So ... collusive non-collusion in the midst of non-espionage espionagism
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 12:13 PM
Nov 2023

Got it. This whole case is one for the Ages because it tests, exploits, erodes, questions the very notion of nation-State sovereignty as it has evolved since the late Middle Ages. It's almost unmaking history in order to remake history.

republianmushroom

(13,358 posts)
16. ..."he did not create or cause the environment"... but he sure has embellished it.
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 12:44 PM
Nov 2023

And IMO he did cause a lot of it.

Martin Eden

(12,834 posts)
21. The case against TFG is about false claims of a stolen election;
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 01:49 PM
Nov 2023

the conspiracy to overthrow election results; and inciting a violent insurrection to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.

The Big Lie of a stolen election has become a core belief propagated by the Republican Party and "conservative" media.

The rhetoric and actions of Trump and his Party MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE is responsible for undermining faith in our elections and democratic (small d) institutions.

The attempt to pin that on Putin should be laughed out of court by any honest judge, with severe admonishment.

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