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If you put it that way, I could see how both sides "are the same" (Original Post) RAB910 Nov 2023 OP
Immaterial to some. czarjak Nov 2023 #1
Add "Nixon" to the last paragraph..... lastlib Nov 2023 #2
Nixon most likely excluded because he created the EPA, which doesn't fit the social good only by Dems narrative. Freethinker65 Nov 2023 #3
I think it's a very true meme. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #4
It was suggested Nixon be added to the list, I was responding as to why, perhaps he was excluded. Freethinker65 Nov 2023 #5
Your point about Nixon creating the Environmental Protection Agency is well taken, but... sop Nov 2023 #6
Thanks for making my point! Comparing policies to policies (or people to people) is much more effective Freethinker65 Nov 2023 #7
I've asked this same question to conservatives I know & I've asked here as well ... aggiesal Nov 2023 #9
Today's GOP might support the Interstate Highway Act, but certainly not the other two. sop Nov 2023 #10
... ShazzieB Nov 2023 #17
IIRC Bush 2 was concerned about pandemics & added to & strengthened the pandemic programs that Bill Clinton started. CrispyQ Nov 2023 #11
Bush 2... druidity33 Nov 2023 #12
I knew that GW McIdiot had given money to countries in Africa ... aggiesal Nov 2023 #13
If Nixon were the worst thing ever to come outta the GOP ... Kennah Nov 2023 #15
Republicans are also responsible for getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine in broadcasting Ohioboy Nov 2023 #8
It wouldn't have made much difference once cable news took off. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #16
Yes and no Ohioboy Nov 2023 #18
"could have been made to apply to cable " TwilightZone Nov 2023 #21
I can see your point Ohioboy Nov 2023 #22
When you combine the end of the Fairness Doctrine and its ability to propagandize endlessly. . . PTL_Mancuso Nov 2023 #20
The country was liberal, as was congress, a lot tirebiter Nov 2023 #14
You're selling rethugs short redqueen Nov 2023 #19

Freethinker65

(10,007 posts)
3. Nixon most likely excluded because he created the EPA, which doesn't fit the social good only by Dems narrative.
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 11:15 AM
Nov 2023

Though I agree with the sentiment, there are lots of problems with not particularly well thought out memes/shared Twitter posts like this.

Elessar Zappa

(13,938 posts)
4. I think it's a very true meme.
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 12:12 PM
Nov 2023

The Republicans have done very little for this country since Hoover. Pretty much all major accomplishments that help people are due to the Democrats. And Nixon was a crook, btw, his founding of the EPA doesn’t make up for that.

Freethinker65

(10,007 posts)
5. It was suggested Nixon be added to the list, I was responding as to why, perhaps he was excluded.
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 12:25 PM
Nov 2023

Everyone knows Nixon left office in disgrace.

sop

(10,136 posts)
6. Your point about Nixon creating the Environmental Protection Agency is well taken, but...
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 12:41 PM
Nov 2023

Apart from constantly calling for tax cuts for the wealthy, corporate de-regulation and the privatization of the commons - historically the only policy solutions Republicans have offered for every problem facing America - what have Conservatives actually done to improve the lives of average Americans?

Freethinker65

(10,007 posts)
7. Thanks for making my point! Comparing policies to policies (or people to people) is much more effective
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 12:46 PM
Nov 2023

I was going to include that in my initial response, but it was not necessary.

Instead I said I agreed with the sentiment.

aggiesal

(8,908 posts)
9. I've asked this same question to conservatives I know & I've asked here as well ...
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 01:54 PM
Nov 2023

I only came up with 3 things that a (R) administration has enacted that improved the lives of the average American.
1) Eisenhower - Interstate Highway Act
2) Nixon - Environmental Protection Act
3) Bush I - Americans with Disabilities Act

There may be more, but I can't think of any.

sop

(10,136 posts)
10. Today's GOP might support the Interstate Highway Act, but certainly not the other two.
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 03:28 PM
Nov 2023

Republicans still maintain supply-side economics (low taxes, de-regulation, free trade and privatization) help average working Americans by spurring economic growth that benefits everyone. Empirical economic data (from 1980s to the present) tends to disprove that. Trickle down economics seems to only help those at the top.

CrispyQ

(36,437 posts)
11. IIRC Bush 2 was concerned about pandemics & added to & strengthened the pandemic programs that Bill Clinton started.
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 03:36 PM
Nov 2023

Seen on Facebook:

We're going to have to retire that old phrase, "Avoid it like the plague," cuz obviously we don't.

aggiesal

(8,908 posts)
13. I knew that GW McIdiot had given money to countries in Africa ...
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 08:29 PM
Nov 2023

to fight AIDS.
But didn't know he created a program for this.
First time I've heard PEPFAR.
Thanks, learned something knew today.

You used your superpowers for good today.

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
8. Republicans are also responsible for getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine in broadcasting
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 01:37 PM
Nov 2023

Getting rid of the fairness doctrine allowed the right-wing media to go unchallenged when it came to presenting their democracy- killing opinions as if they were news.

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
16. It wouldn't have made much difference once cable news took off.
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 11:25 PM
Nov 2023

The fairness doctrine wouldn't have applied to social media or cable news, including Fox News.

It also wouldn't have impacted people like Rush LImbaugh. Individuals were not required to provide balance on their own shows. The requirements, which were just FCC regulations that were not required to be enforced, would have only affected the stations that aired them.

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
18. Yes and no
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 08:06 AM
Nov 2023

The Fairness Doctrine could have been made to apply to cable networks if it hadn't been done away with before cable became a much bigger thing. The Fairness Doctrine was merely a way of providing time, if wanted, for opposing view. That concept could have easily been extended to cable, which is merely another way of broadcasting which uses both physical wires and airwaves to achieve information transmission.

Social media already has a type of fairness doctrine built in because it goes both ways. Both sides can be represented as you can respond with a "like" or a comment. You can "tweet" back and have dialogue. Opposing views can be offered on the spot.

The Fairness Doctrine wasn't designed to stop guys like Limbaugh. It was designed to allow for opposing view to guys like Limbaugh. A broadcast outlet couldn't just be a total one-sided lie machine without the truth at least having a chance.

TwilightZone

(25,451 posts)
21. "could have been made to apply to cable "
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 10:42 AM
Nov 2023

But it wasn't and was unlikely to ever be because of the FCC's limited regulatory abilities. The fairness doctrine as some magic wand was always a bit of a myth. Because enforcement was optional, it was more often used as a political tool to shut down content rather than expand it. It also had unintended consequences, like allowing Big Tobacco to counter news reports that smoking caused cancer with propaganda.

"Social media already has a type of fairness doctrine built in because it goes both ways. "

That's not even remotely true, because the platforms aren't regulated and people like Musk can shape them in pretty much any way they wish. Suppressing opposing viewpoints and promoting bigotry and ignorance, as Musk is quite clearly doing, are the opposite of balanced. You think X/Twitter is "fair" at the moment? Facebook during the 2016 or 2020 campaigns or when they were collecting data and selling it to the GOP?

"The Fairness Doctrine wasn't designed to stop guys like Limbaugh"

Again, enforcement was optional, so as far as people like Limbaugh go, it was mostly useless. The stations could be required to provide counter-programming, but there were usually no strings attached. They could broadcast a counter-point at 2:00am and technically meet the requirements, but often weren't even required to do that.

If it couldn't address cable news and couldn't address social media and couldn't deal with people like Limbaugh, it didn't really matter if it was in place or not once all of those proliferated. An entirely new regulatory framework would need to be created to address those, with much tougher regulations and media requirements.

Lessons for social media from the Fairness Doctrine from the Columbia Journalism Review:

https://www.cjr.org/opinion/social-media-fairness-doctrine.php

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
22. I can see your point
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 02:25 PM
Nov 2023

It had its time when there weren't so many outlets.
I guess our only hope is that people might vary their sources and search for the truth on their own. Those who get their information from places like Newsmax and FOX certainly aren't getting the whole picture.

 

PTL_Mancuso

(276 posts)
20. When you combine the end of the Fairness Doctrine and its ability to propagandize endlessly. . .
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 09:19 AM
Nov 2023

. . . with Citizens United and HUGE tax breaks for the wealthiest . . .

Why, then you have a no-fail recipe for a fascist takeover. And it's just about ready to eat . . .
Us!

tirebiter

(2,534 posts)
14. The country was liberal, as was congress, a lot
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 10:35 PM
Nov 2023

of liberal legislation was being passed. Nixon had some red pill sections added. EEOC was set up, and Panetta.then liberal Republican was put in charge. Seeing how Nixon used it, Leon dropped out to come back to office later as a liberal Democrat. Luckily for us and Bill Clinton he was still good at math

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
19. You're selling rethugs short
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 08:27 AM
Nov 2023

They're also responsible for defunding the government so they can get rid of the new deal programs they hate, the war on drugs (which is a war on the poor), for preventing us from having a decent healthcare system, for preventing any action on climate change, for destabilizing south America by funding right wing terrorists and just ducking with them in general using the CIA, responsible for the anti-intellectualism that ushered in Palin and now MAGATs... The list is endless

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