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New video of tunnels under the Shifa hospital. (Original Post) Mosby Nov 2023 OP
I will have to wait to see if Hamas propaganda sources think that is a tunnel. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #1
Ohh under this Tweet there's all kinds of Cha Nov 2023 #5
I left X/Twitter a while ago so I can't see replies. madaboutharry Nov 2023 #18
Yesh the Stupid replies are why I felt the need to respond... Cha Nov 2023 #23
The world is suffering from a shortage of critical thinking skills. :( madaboutharry Nov 2023 #24
Oh TY for telling me his name and yeah Cha Nov 2023 #25
Oh com'on man, have you seen the traffic in Gaza??? CincyDem Nov 2023 #8
You know it won't be. DavidDvorkin Nov 2023 #2
They could come across sarisataka Nov 2023 #3
Yeah, there would be some spin or Deflection on it. Cha Nov 2023 #6
TY Mosby.. Cha Nov 2023 #4
For some there will never be enough proof. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #7
Does anyone seriously doubt that Hamas has tunnel bunkers intrepidity Nov 2023 #9
It has been reported for more than a decade that Hamas had an extensive network of tunnels, but hlthe2b Nov 2023 #13
The Hamas fan club will not be pleased. I'm sure they are busy moving goalposts. tritsofme Nov 2023 #10
Who are the Hamas fan club? I rarely see any Hamas support on Twitter and I've never seen it here. Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #16
To paraphrase Justice Stewart, I know it when I see it. tritsofme Nov 2023 #21
Ok just wanted to be sure you weren't accusing members of DU being terrorist fans. I think most of Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #22
This is probably just me... calguy Nov 2023 #26
Maybe it's just me Chautauquas Nov 2023 #27
We all have our opinions calguy Nov 2023 #29
That's why we don't let victims be jurors... ExciteBike66 Nov 2023 #30
Rec Cha Nov 2023 #31
Yes it must be you because saying that Israeli actions of killing so many innocent people in the hope that they Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #28
Hamas fan club enid602 Nov 2023 #32
Of course there's tunnels there RainWalker Nov 2023 #11
Do you think that scores a point against Israel? DavidDvorkin Nov 2023 #12
No I think it shows they always knew RainWalker Nov 2023 #15
After seeing the posted video... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #19
Which is why the soldier pointed out that the construction methods were Igel Nov 2023 #17
Arches are actually fairly old technology... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #20
Kick. Rec. Bookmark. Hekate Nov 2023 #14
Not proof for me. I've seen their other tunnels. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #33

madaboutharry

(41,046 posts)
18. I left X/Twitter a while ago so I can't see replies.
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:30 PM
Nov 2023

Can you give an example of some of the stupid things said?
I am always interested in pretzel logic and cognitive dissonance.

Cha

(302,771 posts)
23. Yesh the Stupid replies are why I felt the need to respond...
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:45 PM
Nov 2023


Here's a sample.. of Hamas Apologists..

They better not ask for more proof, it’s costing a lot to make all of this

Are you sure that's not the tunnel beneath Al-Shifa that you built yourself

This has to be a Parody account.

Dear IDF, you lost all credibility, keep screaming.

“Above us is a hospital”.

*doesn’t show the hospital above*

I just love how that guy in the video looks exhausted of lying

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18474538

madaboutharry

(41,046 posts)
24. The world is suffering from a shortage of critical thinking skills. :(
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:58 PM
Nov 2023

The man in the video is Real Admiral Daniel Hagari. I think he looks exhausted because he is in the middle of a war and an IDF spokesperson who probably is sleeping 3 hours a day. But hey, that's just my opinion!

Thanks for sharing.

Cha

(302,771 posts)
25. Oh TY for telling me his name and yeah
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 06:19 PM
Nov 2023

Real Admiral Daniel Hagari. is trying to explain to the World in the Middle of a War with Terrorists what is Happening.. and some Idiot on Twitter is Mocking his "Tried look".

You're Welcome

CincyDem

(6,846 posts)
8. Oh com'on man, have you seen the traffic in Gaza???
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 04:18 PM
Nov 2023

This is no different than a subway line in New York or London. They’ve got bathrooms, they’ve got communication systems just like in this video.

Sheesh…just a way for hard working Gaza folks to get around town faster, especially silly at rush hour.

Move along…nothing to see here.

sarisataka

(20,358 posts)
3. They could come across
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 04:06 PM
Nov 2023

Hamas in the tunnels stocking weapons into a school and it wouldn't be enough for some.

hlthe2b

(105,009 posts)
13. It has been reported for more than a decade that Hamas had an extensive network of tunnels, but
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:14 PM
Nov 2023

I'd never seen video or even pictures.

So, it appears they are concrete-poured with extensive measures to address power, water, and ventilation capabilities. I'd assumed the soil in Gaza was sandy and that they would have to be either tunneled through bedrock or as it appears, poured concrete. Major cost and man-hours to produce this network over the years.

Still, it is a bit more comforting to me to think the hostages may be being held in unpleasant, but at least tolerable reinforced tunnel conditions like this, rather than dirt-dug-out death traps. I know this is not the point IDF is trying to make in posting this video, but nonetheless... There is some hope we will get more back alive.

Nanjeanne

(5,394 posts)
16. Who are the Hamas fan club? I rarely see any Hamas support on Twitter and I've never seen it here.
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:19 PM
Nov 2023

Do you mean those countries that are aligned with Hamas like Iran?

Nanjeanne

(5,394 posts)
22. Ok just wanted to be sure you weren't accusing members of DU being terrorist fans. I think most of
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:43 PM
Nov 2023

us can agree there are people out there who are. I just have been lucky to be able to avoid by not going on Twitter to read them.

calguy

(5,691 posts)
26. This is probably just me...
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 06:29 PM
Nov 2023

But I'm of the opinion that to condemn Israeli actions to destroy Hamas is pretty damn close to supporting Hamas.
But I repeat, that's just me.

Chautauquas

(4,458 posts)
27. Maybe it's just me
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 06:37 PM
Nov 2023

But I'd say condemning Israel for killing thousands of innocent children is not the same, not even close, as supporting Hamas.

calguy

(5,691 posts)
29. We all have our opinions
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 06:43 PM
Nov 2023

My response is: Try being there after your friends or immediate family was just brutally murdered.

ExciteBike66

(2,604 posts)
30. That's why we don't let victims be jurors...
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 07:46 PM
Nov 2023

I would be out of my mind if my kid was harmed, but that doesn't make killing other kids OK

Nanjeanne

(5,394 posts)
28. Yes it must be you because saying that Israeli actions of killing so many innocent people in the hope that they
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 06:39 PM
Nov 2023

could destroy Hamas is a bad move is most definitely not supporting Hamas. There are far too many Israeli citizens who are saying that and even some with families who are saying that and I can guarantee you they are not supporting Hamas. For me, a Jew with family killed when they were fighting in the French resistence and with family living in Tel Aviv now - I condemn Israelis bombing of Gaza and wish with all my heart that Hamas could be destroyed. I don't see it happening as for every Hamas who is killed, Israel is creating more - they may call themselves something other than Hamas - but this destruction of so many families is not the answer. It's never been. We don't have to agree on what needs to be done but I'd reconsider labeling so many people as Hamas supporters because they have different reactions to what Israel is doing. Not a single one of them supports Hamas and isn't horrified by the Oct 7 massacre of innocent Israelis.

enid602

(8,864 posts)
32. Hamas fan club
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 08:03 PM
Nov 2023

The full time Israeli cheerleaders need bogeymen to rationalize treatment of Palestinians. You’re either with ‘em, or you’re a terrorist.

DavidDvorkin

(19,764 posts)
12. Do you think that scores a point against Israel?
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:12 PM
Nov 2023

The whole article paints a picture of Hamas as evil, and the facilities under the hospital are shown to be part of that evil.

Think. Again.

(15,679 posts)
19. After seeing the posted video...
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:34 PM
Nov 2023

...it does make a lot more sense that this is an abandoned emergency medical safe room under the hospital.

From what they show in the video, it couldn't possibly be used for any sort of 'command center', certainly not big enough or equipped for that. It's nothing but a very long hallway with a room, a defunct kitchenette, and 2 toilets.

Maybe they're keeping it a secret for some security reason, but if Israel has actually captured a command center like they're saying they have, they should show us that.

Igel

(35,886 posts)
17. Which is why the soldier pointed out that the construction methods were
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:22 PM
Nov 2023

innovated in the last 15 years.

Hamas has been in charge of Gaza for 16 years. And everything shown was connected by Hamas tunnels.

(Note that even if Israel had built every last inch of the tunnels, Hamas' using them *still* renders them a military target.)

LeftInTX

(29,040 posts)
33. Not proof for me. I've seen their other tunnels.
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 08:16 PM
Nov 2023

I think those bathrooms and sinks were constructed by the Israelis. I see no evidence of hostages in the tunnels under Shifa. I see A/C and electricity. No weapons etc. They don't even have junk laying around. (Not even a candy bar wrapper) It's like they swept the place clean..LOL


Hamas has tunnels all over town.

I don't know why the IDF has picked this "underground Command and Control Center "as their hill to die on. Heck, there are weapons at Shifa, but once again, I hope they were also filmed where they were found because IDF filmed a pile of them in the parking lot. (Obviously, they had been moved. IDF states they were in patients' rooms and treatment areas etc) I'm just not seeing them in the tunnels at Shifa.

I don't even think Hamas has a Command and Control Center. They're terrorists. They're not into "Command and Control".
There was a huge cache at someone's house unearthed yesterday, yet they pick this hill to die on.

Also, one of their militants also had a bunch of CD's. Yes, CD's. This just ain't Command and Control. It's more like connected terrorist cells.

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