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skip fox

(19,361 posts)
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 02:36 PM Nov 2023

What can we do beside watching the train wreck coming straight at us in slow motion?

The only thing I can think of, and which is in my power, is to advertise the stakes of the 2024 Presidential Election.

What are the best ways to do this?

I was thinking that if we could get 2024 called The Year of Democracy and encourage a series of Marches for Democracy, that might be useful.

What are your ideas?

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What can we do beside watching the train wreck coming straight at us in slow motion? (Original Post) skip fox Nov 2023 OP
Other people have survived a fascist regime. Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #1
How about we focus on defeating fascism before it takes power? Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #14
I'm not giving up, but I am also not putting blinders on. Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #16
Agreed. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #20
I wanted to ask DUers to develop an 'elevator speech' The Blue Flower Nov 2023 #2
That's a good idea! yardwork Nov 2023 #7
If he/she has relatives dependent on expensive medications, remind Vogon_Glory Nov 2023 #9
If your audience has relatives dependent on expensive Vogon_Glory Nov 2023 #10
I can't think of a single lift ride that takes that long ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #13
I take it an "elevator speech" is one that doesn't necessarily mean one to be literarily delivered skip fox Nov 2023 #18
Great idea! But since I live in Trump country, mine skip fox Nov 2023 #17
The Following Aepps22 Nov 2023 #3
It's time to start working against the very legitimacy of the Republican Party ck4829 Nov 2023 #4
A republic, if you can keep it Vogon_Glory Nov 2023 #5
So what is the alternative if the representative republic cannot be preserved? roamer65 Nov 2023 #15
My election priorities are: pwb Nov 2023 #6
The federal minimum wage is $7.25 former9thward Nov 2023 #22
We should be the party of Employees. Basic LA Nov 2023 #8
Marches are a waste of time ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #11
Get clips of his worst speeches. qwlauren35 Nov 2023 #12
What's depressing is how you can't even tell most people about the danger we face... Silent3 Nov 2023 #19
I'm concentrating on the mother of all train wrecks. Climate change. Kaleva Nov 2023 #21
It's not up to us to stop Trump... yet liberalmediaaddict Nov 2023 #23

Voltaire2

(13,441 posts)
1. Other people have survived a fascist regime.
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 02:45 PM
Nov 2023

We should look to them, to their histories, to learn how to survive, and more importantly, how to successfully resist and end these regimes.

Elessar Zappa

(14,180 posts)
14. How about we focus on defeating fascism before it takes power?
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:02 PM
Nov 2023

The election is still a year away, this is no time to give up.

Voltaire2

(13,441 posts)
16. I'm not giving up, but I am also not putting blinders on.
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:24 PM
Nov 2023

The threat of a fascist takeover of the government is very real. Pretending otherwise is not helpful. That doesn't mean it is inevitable. Certainly voting for and promoting the democratic alternative to fascism needs to be done. But we also need to think about how to proceed if we fail in 2024. Now. Not a year from now. And as I said, we can learn from how others survived and defeated these regimes.

The Blue Flower

(5,458 posts)
2. I wanted to ask DUers to develop an 'elevator speech'
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 02:55 PM
Nov 2023

If you have five minutes to educate a voter about the danger of the R frontrunner, what's the concise message you could say?

Vogon_Glory

(9,143 posts)
9. If he/she has relatives dependent on expensive medications, remind
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 03:58 PM
Nov 2023

them that Republican politicians are likely as not to oppose keeping the price of their medications within reach.

Vogon_Glory

(9,143 posts)
10. If your audience has relatives dependent on expensive
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 03:59 PM
Nov 2023

medications, remind them that Republican politicians are likely as not to oppose keeping the price of their medications within reach.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
13. I can't think of a single lift ride that takes that long
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 04:58 PM
Nov 2023

And I don't get in one at all if I'll be the only woman in the lift.

I also don't like people, especially strangers, approaching me in public to harangue me about even political views I agree with, so I extend the same courtesy to others. If a stranger brings up such things to me, I cut them short and get as far away from them as possible. Because if I find it intolerably rude., and borderline menacing.

I don't think I'm alone in this.

If you must push your views in public, at least have the courtesy to set up a table or booth making it clear what you're on about, so nobody has to talk to you if they don't want.

Otherwise, please leave strangers alone in public. Is that really too bloody much to ask?

skip fox

(19,361 posts)
18. I take it an "elevator speech" is one that doesn't necessarily mean one to be literarily delivered
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 06:07 PM
Nov 2023

in an elevator, but a series of short. quietly persuasive , sentences to say at appropriate times, like noting Trump's willingness to suspend the Constitution, or to commandeer the Justice Department, or to shoot shoplifters, etc.

skip fox

(19,361 posts)
17. Great idea! But since I live in Trump country, mine
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 06:02 PM
Nov 2023

will have to be milder, more diplomatic to be effective.

Aepps22

(169 posts)
3. The Following
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 03:25 PM
Nov 2023

1. Help GOTV efforts in your local community
2. Donate to Dem Candidates and the DNC

3. Push back against people spreading lies against Joe on your own life


Lots of stuff for us to do

Vogon_Glory

(9,143 posts)
5. A republic, if you can keep it
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 03:30 PM
Nov 2023

We Democrats are the party committed to keeping the United States of America as a healthy, functional representative republic governed by representatives responsible to the wishes of the majority of its citizens. Club Pachyderm has cast aside those values to become an authoritarian cult dedicated to one-man rule with no respect for the wishes or desires of its citizens.

We should hammer home the idea that our party is the guardian of democracy, a role the other party has capitulated to its devotion to Orange Julius.

roamer65

(36,749 posts)
15. So what is the alternative if the representative republic cannot be preserved?
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 05:08 PM
Nov 2023

IMO, it is dissolution.

If the GQP and Dump steal the election again, we are definitely on the precipice.

pwb

(11,370 posts)
6. My election priorities are:
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 03:33 PM
Nov 2023

Restoring the freedoms Women lost.
Burning earth? The young have to live on for a long time. Will pukes fix it for them? NO.
Minimum wage states with $7.25 rates. They need to change their legislators to get that raised.
Vote The Red Out in Blue States.

former9thward

(32,253 posts)
22. The federal minimum wage is $7.25
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 07:47 PM
Nov 2023

Congress could change that and it would apply to all 50 states as a minimum.

 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
8. We should be the party of Employees.
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 03:45 PM
Nov 2023

No one identifies themselves as Workers or Labor or Proletariat. We're Employees (also self Employed) and need a party that represents us by name. That's how we get the big numbers behind us. Banish those antiquated terms so the vast majority can identify with us and know which side their bread is buttered. Employees, working stiffs, clock punchers. Let's get all Johnny Paycheck up in here.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
11. Marches are a waste of time
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 04:51 PM
Nov 2023

Better to spend the time with GOTV or phone banking, or even painting your fingernails.

qwlauren35

(6,155 posts)
12. Get clips of his worst speeches.
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 04:55 PM
Nov 2023

Make a TV ad and say - Do You Really Want THIS Man for President?

And then "A Vote for Joe Biden is a Vote Against Trump". There's no other way.

Silent3

(15,497 posts)
19. What's depressing is how you can't even tell most people about the danger we face...
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 06:11 PM
Nov 2023

...without facing the automatic assumption that any talk of democracy itself being in peril just couldn't be anything other than partisan scaremongering, which they will "sensibly" discount.

liberalmediaaddict

(797 posts)
23. It's not up to us to stop Trump... yet
Thu Nov 23, 2023, 02:00 AM
Nov 2023

The Republican primaries haven't even started yet.
Republicans and anyone eligible to vote in a Republican primary can pick another candidate.

If Trump wins the nomination then it's on us Democrats and
Never-Trumper/Pro-Democracy Americans to do everything possible to help GOTV and win next November.

We'll have to remind people what happened in Trump’s first term and what he has planned for a second. And to show how far Trump has deteriorated mentally in the last 3 years and how extreme his speeches have become.

Of course the 2 most important actions are turn out and vote overwhelmingly for President Biden in the primary and general election.

A year is a lifetime in politics. Hopefully Americans will wake up and realize whatever their problems are with government... re-electing Trump ISN'T the answer.


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