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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJeff Merkley: "I am calling for a ceasefire''
Merkley, who represents Oregon, in a post on X said: I am calling for a ceasefire a cessation of hostilities by both sides.
To endure, the ceasefire and the following negotiations must accomplish other essential objectives, including the release of all hostages and a massive influx of humanitarian aid, he said.
Link to tweet
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FBaggins
(27,346 posts)I demand no more anger or hatred. Swords must be turned into plowshares.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But we've sure gotten used to it; so accustomed that it's the height of hilarity just to posit another way of conducting our affairs.
Nanjeanne
(5,132 posts)RainWalker
(605 posts)Autumn
(45,541 posts)Response to Donkees (Original post)
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Basic LA
(2,047 posts)totodeinhere
(13,202 posts)Hamas attacked on October 7th. And if there is another ceasefire Hamas will regroup and re-arm and then attack again cease fire or not,
Autumn
(45,541 posts)and maybe the people in Israel will get rid of that fucking Trump clone Netanyahu who has kept Hamas in power for the last 16 years. Also I'm pretty damn sure there is no limit on ceasefires.
totodeinhere
(13,202 posts)kill more innocent people in Israel. And the fact that more hostages may die is the fault of Hamas. They are the ones who took the hostages after all. And as I said before a ceasefire will not work simply because Hamas will not honor the ceasefire and will continue with their killing spree. Terrorist groups do not honor ceasefires. The only way to deal with a terrorist group is to eliminate it. And eliminating Hamas is a goal that President Biden agrees with.
Regarding Bibi, yes he needs to go. But his exit from the political scene will not change the dynamics of this conflict. There is broad agreement across the Israeli political spectrum that Hamas must be eliminated.
Autumn
(45,541 posts)totodeinhere
(13,202 posts)Yes there are reports that the Israeli government enabled Hamas in its early days as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority. And that strategy is now widely regarded in Israel as a mistake. But Bibi certainly is not keeping Hamas in power now. Quite the contrary actually. And please do not infer that I support Bibi because I vigorously oppose him and his right wing government. But that is a topic to pursue once Hamas is gone from the scene.
Autumn
(45,541 posts)totodeinhere
(13,202 posts)In the summer of 2014 Israel and Hamas waged a 50-day war. The Israeli government was not supporting Hamas at that time. They were fighting them.
https://www.unrwa.org/2014-gaza-conflict
Autumn
(45,541 posts)The idea was to prevent Abbas or anyone else in the Palestinian Authoritys West Bank government from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Keep Hamas alive and kicking'
This symbiotic relationship between Netanyahu and Hamas has been remarked on for years, by both friends and enemies, hawks and doves.
Yuval Diskin, former head of Israel's Shin Bet security service, told the daily newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth in 2013 that "if we look at it over the years, one of the main people contributing to Hamas's strengthening has been Bibi Netanyahu, since his first term as prime minister."
In August 2019,former prime minister Ehud Barak told Israeli Army Radio that Netanyahu's "strategy is to keep Hamas alive and kicking even at the price of abandoning the citizens [of the south] in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah."
The logic underlying this strategy, Barak said, is that "it's easier with Hamas to explain to Israelis that there is no one to sit with and no one to talk to."
March 12, 2019 Netanyahu defended the Hamas payments to his Likud Party caucus on the grounds that they weakened the pro-Oslo Palestinian Authority, according to the Jerusalem Post:
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel's regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday's Likud faction meeting said," the Post reported.
"The prime minister also said that 'whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for' transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinine state.
Netanyahu insisted that neither the money nor the construction material given to Hamas would be diverted to military purposes. But today, the IDF finds itself showing how Hamas has done exactly that by diverting and converting civilian funds and materials to warlike purposes.
The military tried to warn him at the time, former IDF chief of staff Gadi Eisenkot told the Ma'ariv newspaper. He said Netanyahu acted "in total opposition to the national assessment of the National Security Council, which determined that there was a need to disconnect from the Palestinians and establish two states."
It is well know that at least up till 2021 he was still supporting Hamas.
totodeinhere
(13,202 posts)based only partly upon verifiable facts. During the same time period Israel has fought several skirmishes with Hamas so how could they be supporting them and fighting them at the same time?
It is a very complicated matter and remember that former PM Barak is Bibi"s political opponent so his comments should be approached with that context in mind
totodeinhere
(13,202 posts)kill more innocent people in Israel. And the fact that more hostages may die is the fault of Hamas. They are the ones who took the hostages after all. And as I said before a ceasefire will not work simply because Hamas will not honor the ceasefire and will continue with their killing spree. Terrorist groups do not honor ceasefires. The only way to deal with a terrorist group is to eliminate it. And eliminating Hamas is a goal that President Biden agrees with.
Regarding Bibi, yes he needs to go. But his exit from the political scene will not change the dynamics of this conflict. There is broad agreement across the Israeli political spectrum that Hams must be eliminated.
maxsolomon
(33,945 posts)The fighting is more direct, and theoretically more targeted on militants. The Palestinian Health Ministry isn't claiming as many deaths since the ground operations have started - that I've read.
Aren't many innocent civilians in the tunnel network. A temporary ceasefire for hostage exchange and humanitarian aid may work, but the IDF isn't going to pull back yet.
David__77
(23,831 posts)GuppyGal
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BlueCheeseAgain
(1,867 posts)I suspect if Hamas did all of this, Israel (or at least the reasonable majority within it) would be very happy to have a ceasefire.